MMA tonight proved why it is harder than Boxing...

have you two lost your fukking mind? how hard could the sport be when a wwe wrestler (fake sport) like brock lesner can become a succesful heavyweight champion? how hard could the sport be when a back alley youtube brawler like kimbo slice can become a big star with how many fights under his belt then proceed to get KTFO by a journey man with pink hair? fukkking seriously? can you imagine a wwe star coming into boxing & becoming a great success right away? can you imagine a up & coming great fighter like a andre ward or andre dirrell losing to a journey man with pink hair? the nba........ where amazing happens. the mma......... where rejects of other sports become successful right away happens. :dance: Lesnar has real wrestling credentials. WWE is fake, but it doesn't mean Kurt Angle can't wrestle. Brock was a Division 1 NCAA champion (twice i believe?) He could have made the olympic team had he not pursued professional wrestling. I'll agree that his rise to the top and the opportunity was given because of name, and the fact that he even won the title to begin with is pretty sad in such a short span.. but I can't agree with you thinking he did it with just a background in acting (wwe).

Are you serious?????? Boxing is one aspect of MMA??? Did you just type that? Have you seen the "Boxing" in MMA? There is not a single MMA fighter that could transfer into boxing successfully, not a single one. Boxing is one aspect of MMA though. Of course they couldn't transfer to boxing. To be honest it's more important to be good at other things in MMA. In fact what makes Silvia so dangerous is that he's dangerous on the ground and he just so happens to be a competent boxer and beast muy thai fighter. That's where it's an advantage. Silva will use that to embarrass GSP if they ever fight.

TS is promoting a fallacy. Having more weapons available in MMA makes it easier to lose but it also makes it easier to win. Increasing the amount of weapons available doesn't necessarily make the sport harder. Boxing is so much more challenging because of the limited ways in which a boxer can win. Because of this limitation, boxers have to spend decades refining the same few techniques instead of trying to be mediocre in a whole range of fighting styles. Boxing champions have been training in the sport since childhood and have had hundreds of amateur fights in addition to several dozen professional matches. A single loss on the big stage can be lethal to one's career. In MMA you can easily bounce back from a big loss. If MMA is harder than how did Brock Lesnar become world champion and be considered the best heavyweight in four fights? Then I would be correct I didn't say it makes it harder in the way you are thinking. Harder to keep your "O" or losses in single digits. read the post after the main title that got your attention.

This is true, i can't disagree. Actually waiting for Sonnen to beat Silva now.. simply because I have never seen Silva look great on his back, or against anyone who tries to fight him for that matter, instead of let him do his antics. Lol But Fedor made a very amateur mistake tonight. he was in Werdums guard twice, and never made the attempt to get out of it before the triangle was locked. That was just depressing. Absolutely. Kind of shocked myself but even top guys get greedy. I think he made more of a mistake in thinking he had his opponent hurt to the level where he could capitalize fast before he can properly react. In a way, maybe he fell into that trap of thinking his power could end it faster than the opponent can adjust. Either way, he had someone that he knew was in the field of submission and even on the ground, is trained to quickly look for the advantage when you make a mistake. I thought he would have just stood there and started to kick his legs. Going at it like he did is usually reserved for guys that are at a disadvantage on the ground and won't be able to capitalize on any mistakes you make.

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Take the top athletes from the NBA, NHL, and NFL, have them train with the best BJJ, Muay Thai, Boxing, and all-around MMA coaches for five years, and it would not be unrealistic for some of them to make it to the UFC. In contrast, the best MMA fighters wouldn't have a chance in hell of making it to the NBA, NHL, or NFL with just five years of experience in the respective sports.

wait no thats not the guy.....I mean the guy who took care of thiago Oh yeah! dude had some legit striking. Martin Kampmann i think

kampman is the guy Is the guy i was talking about...I looked it up

Huh???? Why would a boxer even think of training in leg strikes or submissions??? Your point makes no sense,because in MMA people are supposed to have striking as part of their repetoire.Apart from that,there is no similarities with boxing....lets face it also,the ground game is the reason MMA sucks anyways.It is always the same pattern...start off slugging and when there is no success,then they roll around on the floor.Absolute garbage. It was a response post. MMA = looking like amateurs in hand-strikes. response = how would boxers look in something they don't train in (if we go with your post)...or in mine... or have less time to train in (with regards to MMA fighter have less time to focus on the boxing aspect to it all?

Boxers have better chances of successfully transitioning into MMA than MMA fighters becoming successful in boxing.

Rich has been outboxed in several fights. he was outstriked badly by Liddel in the last event and threw a right hand counter without even looking. He was hurt, chuck went in for the kill, and got dropped. Rich's footwork has also been known to be all over the place, he tripped over himself several times when chuck pressured him. 1 punch pony, literally. wait no thats not the guy.....I mean the guy who took care of thiago

TS is promoting a fallacy. Having more weapons available in MMA makes it easier to lose but it also makes it easier to win. Increasing the amount of weapons available doesn't necessarily make the sport harder. Boxing is so much more challenging because of the limited ways in which a boxer can win. Because of this limitation, boxers have to spend decades refining the same few techniques instead of trying to be mediocre in a whole range of fighting styles. Boxing champions have been training in the sport since childhood and have had hundreds of amateur fights in addition to several dozen professional matches. A single loss on the big stage can be lethal to one's career. In MMA you can easily bounce back from a big loss. If MMA is harder than how did Brock Lesnar become world champion and be considered the best heavyweight in four fights? Well put...... Lol @ Brock. Sigh

Because the regarded top dog in MMA is more likely to lose than in boxing yet some fans in the boxing community don't seem to know why it is different. They don't seem to understand why someone that is regarded as an overall skilled great fighter can lose to someone that say, is average at one aspect of the sport...but great at another. That the regarded "just good" person in the field can still win if he is able to get you in a position of his specialty. So even though he isn't a good striker, when it comes to submission, he is an expert...and when you make a mistake and fall into his world of play, you are now at a disadvantage. They just see, Win, Lose. But hey, even in the MMA world, from looking at some of the fans, there is the fat redneck who doesn't know a thing who also sees win/lose and that is it. You are more likely to lose in MMA than in boxing if you are the top dog because there is more to master and nobody masters everything in MMA. This is true, i can't disagree. Actually waiting for Sonnen to beat Silva now.. simply because I have never seen Silva look great on his back, or against anyone who tries to fight him for that matter, instead of let him do his antics. Lol But Fedor made a very amateur mistake tonight. he was in Werdums guard twice, and never made the attempt to get out of it before the triangle was locked. That was just depressing.

Your thread was MMA was harder. You said because there was more ways to lose. Your wrong. Boxing is harder for many reasons. In MMA there is no standing 8 counts, or ten counts, or Knock Downs. MMA has NO defense, if the DEFENSE is not to get "into it" it is not a defense. MMA is not a sport it is a fight. There is no strategy in MMA, it's all tactical. If anything MMA is way easier because you don't master defense or counter offense like you need in Boxing. So you could say for starters that Boxing is 3x harder right off the bat. To keep your "O" or even have a record of losses in the single digits. Title thread continued to the post. Only so much to fit in the main title. There is no strategy and defense in MMA...WTF?

If MMA continues on this path, the younger generation should be learning boxing at a much younger age instead of having your college wrestler having to learn it at 22+ years of age...thus making a greater more effective MMA fighter in the future. Boxers have all day to train one thing...hand strikes. MMA = about a quarter of that time. Now, look at the other angle to this. How long has a boxer trained in leg strikes and submission? He would look like an amateur trying to kick compared to a world class Kick-Boxer. Amateur in submission compared to a world class Brazilian jiu jitsu expert. you see? Huh???? Why would a boxer even think of training in leg strikes or submissions??? Your point makes no sense,because in MMA people are supposed to have striking as part of their repetoire.Apart from that,there is no similarities with boxing....lets face it also,the ground game is the reason MMA sucks anyways.It is always the same pattern...start off slugging and when there is no success,then they roll around on the floor.Absolute garbage.

TS is promoting a fallacy. Having more weapons available in MMA makes it easier to lose but it also makes it easier to win. Increasing the amount of weapons available doesn't necessarily make the sport harder. Boxing is so much more challenging because of the limited ways in which a boxer can win. Because of this limitation, boxers have to spend decades refining the same few techniques instead of trying to be mediocre in a whole range of fighting styles. Boxing champions have been training in the sport since childhood and have had hundreds of amateur fights in addition to several dozen professional matches. A single loss on the big stage can be lethal to one's career. In MMA you can easily bounce back from a big loss. If MMA is harder than how did Brock Lesnar become world champion and be considered the best heavyweight in four fights?

I understood your point, but it was pretty subjective though. I was just wondering what exactly did you see tonight that made you start the thread, though? But I agree, at times boxing can seem like a 1 way street whereas MMA can turn into a busy intersection. There are various paths to take and several alternatives to securing a victory. But the actual level of difficulty in doing these things, in my opinion, isn't as difficult as effectively winning in boxing because it's more natural. Because the regarded top dog in MMA is more likely to lose than in boxing yet some fans in the boxing community don't seem to know why it is different. They don't seem to understand why someone that is regarded as an overall skilled great fighter can lose to someone that say, is average at one aspect of the sport...but great at another. That the regarded "just good" person in the field can still win if he is able to get you in a position of his specialty. So even though he isn't a good striker, when it comes to submission, he is an expert...and when you make a mistake and fall into his world of play, you are now at a disadvantage. They just see, Win, Lose. But hey, even in the MMA world, from looking at some of the fans, there is the fat redneck who doesn't know a thing who also sees win/lose and that is it. You are more likely to lose in MMA than in boxing if you are the top dog because there is more to master and nobody masters everything in MMA.

dude can box and has solid technique...I think if he were to train solely his boxing he can be a solid boxing prospect. Rich has been outboxed in several fights. he was outstriked badly by Liddel in the last event and threw a right hand counter without even looking. He was hurt, chuck went in for the kill, and got dropped. Rich's footwork has also been known to be all over the place, he tripped over himself several times when chuck pressured him. 1 punch pony, literally.

MORE WAYS TO LOSE IN MMA. Bigger gap in how you can lose in MMA than boxing. Best in Boxing, and you are the best at hand-striking. Best in MMA and what do you really have? Someone that may be great at striking but lacks the ability to be great in submission. And vice-versa. That one HUGE disadvantage puts you at greater risk to lose. Why do MMA fighters have that disadvantage? Because there is only so much time to train...training in a sport that requires you to know more than hand-strikes. Does anybody understand this thread? Your thread was MMA was harder. You said because there was more ways to lose. Your wrong. Boxing is harder for many reasons. In MMA there is no standing 8 counts, or ten counts, or Knock Downs. MMA has NO defense, if the DEFENSE is not to get "into it" it is not a defense. MMA is not a sport it is a fight. There is no strategy in MMA, it's all tactical. If anything MMA is way easier because you don't master defense or counter offense like you need in Boxing. So you could say for starters that Boxing is 3x harder right off the bat.

Tell me this rich franklin comment is a joke dude can box and has solid technique...I think if he were to train solely his boxing he can be a solid boxing prospect.