Which bouts best exhibited two elite talents fighting at the best of their ability?
Arguello-Pryor 1, Vazquez-Marquez 3, Leonard-Hearns 1, Leonard-Duran 1, Trinidad-Vargas, Pacquiao-Marquez 1and2, Mancini-Arguello, Taylor-Chavez etc
I wish the first two Zale-Graziano fights were available to see aswell as Robinson-Gavilan 1and2.
What are your favorite examples?
You think Arguello was prime at 140?
Why Not? At 30 years old and 5'10 why wouldn't he be in his prime? Both were very competitive in that bout. Arguello's only loss at jr welter was with Pryor...not because alexis was passed his prime(and certainly wasn't washed up) but because pryor was a beast! Pryor wouldv'e been trouble for any elite fighter in their prime at 140...which is why he was the most feared and avoided fighter at that weight. Arguello vs Pryor has to be one of the top ten greatest title fights of all time...easily!
Real question is...was he still in his prime AFTER the first pryor match?
Honeygan-Curry, Patterson-Jonahhson, Leonard -Hearns, Duran De Jesus, Hearns-Hagler, Camacho-Mancini and more.............:smileysex:smileysex
A really topfight was Zamora-Zarate.
I don't know if this has been said before but Hamed-MAB
It already has been said and it's only comeplete newbs,who don't know anything about the sport of boxing, who do say it.
None of the Mexicans wanted to fight Hamed,actually
If Oscar v.s. Tito 2 did happen.........wouldve settle a lot of debates from both side..........WHY not do the fight..............that you actually claimed you made a mental mistake.............and redeem yourself...........Oscar fuked that rematch bigtime...............like ducking Marg to fight PAC....
Tito was fat....
If Oscar v.s. Tito 2 did happen.........wouldve settle a lot of debates from both side..........WHY not do the fight..............that you actually claimed you made a mental mistake.............and redeem yourself...........Oscar fuked that rematch bigtime...............like ducking Marg to fight PAC....
When the Tito fight occured Tito was struggling to make weight. He was even thinking about going to 154 a couple years before. He even had a fight at 154 in 1997 I think against Troy Walters.
So the rematch Oscar wanted it at 147. But, Tito by this time felt very weak at that weight. So he wanted it at a catch-weight of 150. And, Oscar declined :nonono:
Man, Sturm got robbed stupid. Oscar looked lost as hell when Felix switched to southpaw in the later rounds.
To be fair Oscar looked like a piece of lard against strum.. He looked much better when he fought Hopkins physically.
well OSCAR was known......to give no rematches....................except for shane........we cold have had Tito v.s. oscar 2..............but Oscar punked out again..........................with quartey though..........i do wish tito fought him.......too
Lets not forget he also gave 85yr old JCC a rematch that he clearly deserved. Because, judging by the first fight JCC fought very competitive against Oscar :pat:
Another thing that bothers me, and since you're a P-Willy fan you probably know the Martinez fight inside and out so lemme ask you...
When you see talk about Martinez/Williams Round 1 as Round of the Year last year does that boggle your mind?
Literally two punches of note landed in that round....a big left hand from Martinez and the right hook that hurt Paul...that was it.
There were like 3 other rounds that could have been ROTY in that fight alone, the 4th and some of the later rounds.
I've just never quite understood that and I've seen it mentioned a lot.
What was more of a nuisance to me is how people who have been following boxing for decades actually think there is a 9-9 round without a point deduction.
Max, you're a true boxing nerd, WTF is wrong with you?
Oscar did NOT win that fight. Not even remotely close. It was a boring ass fight aside from spots in the 6th and 12th. The entire fight was Oscar getting tattooed with Quartey's jab.
That fight infuriates me both because people for only god knows why think it was a good fight, and people actually think Oscar won. It's insanity.
It shows how good the memories are of many boxing fans. Someone actually ranked DLH-Quartey in the top 5 WW fights of the last 40 years. :rolleyes:
I agree that Quartey should've gotten the nod. DLH closed strong, but spent too many rounds staring at Quartey and doing nothing. Quartey didn't do much either, but he was doing just enough to at least have won 7 rounds.
Merchant was interviewing DLH after the fight and commented that it was a good fight. DLH said something like "you really thought so?"
It was good enough due to the suspense factor while it happened live, but it has sh!t replay value due to the fact that such little action took place in 10 of the 12 rounds.
I think everyone with out bias agrees Quartey won.
He also lost to Sturm.
Those were TWO CLEAR losses.
Another thing that bothers me, and since you're a P-Willy fan you probably know the Martinez fight inside and out so lemme ask you...
When you see talk about Martinez/Williams Round 1 as Round of the Year last year does that boggle your mind?
Literally two punches of note landed in that round....a big left hand from Martinez and the right hook that hurt Paul...that was it.
There were like 3 other rounds that could have been ROTY in that fight alone, the 4th and some of the later rounds.
I've just never quite understood that and I've seen it mentioned a lot.
Oscar did NOT win that fight. Not even remotely close. It was a boring ass fight aside from spots in the 6th and 12th. The entire fight was Oscar getting tattooed with Quartey's jab.
That fight infuriates me both because people for only god knows why think it was a good fight, and people actually think Oscar won. It's insanity.
I think everyone with out bias agrees Quartey won.
He also lost to Sturm.
Those were TWO CLEAR losses.
Doesn't change the fact that he still fought him when no one else did. Inactive or not.
I know he was suppose to fight Whitaker but something fell through. Don't remember right now since I'm kinda drinking and about to head out.
Quartey was supposed to fight both Whitaker and Trinidad before the DLH fight came through. Whitaker failed a drug test, and Quartey ended up getting sued by his old promotional company when the Trinidad fight was signed, so that fight fell apart.
How can you fear someone you fought and beat??
Oscar did NOT win that fight. Not even remotely close. It was a boring ass fight aside from spots in the 6th and 12th. The entire fight was Oscar getting tattooed with Quartey's jab.
That fight infuriates me both because people for only god knows why think it was a good fight, and people actually think Oscar won. It's insanity.
Hopkins-Trinidad
Barrera-Morales
Barrera-Hameed
Gatti-Ward
Pacquiao-Barrera 1
Mosley-De La Hoya
Margarito-Cotto
As much as it hurt me to say this Tito didn't fight at the highest level. Hopkins was just too much for him. Neither did Hamed or Rarrera did with Pac. And, I wouldn't consider Ward-Gatti elite level fighters. Yes it was an awesome war but they were not elite level fighters.
Who else fought him??? Trinidad didn't and neither did a lot of other top WWs.
You don't even know why Tito didn't fight him though.
And, how about that cut that Oscar suffered in training that nobody ever saw huh?
Just so they could postponed the fight and have Quartey be even more inactive :nonono: