Who had a better career? Mike Tyson or Oscar de la Hoya?

Arguing Oscar as an ATG is just laughable. Who looks at Oscar and say "wow he was on of the greats man". Cmon. A decent amount of people do actually, which is why I consider him overrated.

You can watch all of his big fights and definitely argue he did lose all of them. He ran away from Tito at the end, I had him losing to Ike close but clear. I had him edging Sweet Pea and others say that's a huge robbery. But you can argue he didn't lose a lot of them too. But still, I agree with you. I had the Tito fight a draw. I didn't score the Quartey fight, but I had Whitaker beating him.

Arguing Oscar as an ATG is just laughable. Who looks at Oscar and say "wow he was on of the greats man". Cmon.

I guess I was a little harsh saying he lost ALL of his biggest fights. And he is definitely a HOF, but the reason I call him overrated is because I hear people calling him one of the greatest of all time, when he is arguably not even an ATG. You can watch all of his big fights and definitely argue he did lose all of them. He ran away from Tito at the end, I had him losing to Ike close but clear. I had him edging Sweet Pea and others say that's a huge robbery.

Is that so? Give me your analysis of Lennox' career and I will give you mine. We'll see exactly how much knowledge you actually lack. Tell me exactly how he had a better career than Mike and what he did that will make him go down in history as the greater fighter. Not saying that Lennox is clearly the greater fight. But, is idiotic to think that such argument is ludicrous. Lewis with underrated quick fluid combination, technically proficient, with a power right hand and how he learned to use his size could cause any HW problems. Not saying he could beat any HW, but saying he could cause any HW problems. A lot of people like to say he had a glass chin but IMO that is not true. Lennox chin wasn't granite but wasn't glass either. He took bombs from Bruno, Holyfield, Klitschko, and Mercer and stayed up right. I consider the 90's the second best era for HW boxing right behind the 70's. And, Lewis was the man, the best fighter, dominated the 2nd half of the 90's. Lewis competition from 1991-2003 on paper was very solid. That is a 12 year span my dude. And, he fought solid comp throughout starting in 1991 coming in as an underdog to a very hard punching Razor Ruddock, also held wins agaisnst Bruno, Morrison, Galota,Briggs, Akiwande, Holyfield was passed his best but at the time still an elite level HW, Grant and Tua were rated very highly at the time also, I don't give him credit for Tyson since Tyson was shot but he beat Vitaly before retiring. Lewis lost to McCall and Rahman but avenged both losses. Lewis has held a win over every single opponent he has faced. Very rare in any era. He is one of only 5 guys to regain the lineal HW championship. And, is one of only 3 guys to retire as the lineal HW champ and so far stay retired. I rank him higher than Tyson, he had the longevity and a good resume. Not saying that he would go down as the greater fighter. But, I rank him higher. Now what I am saying is that it is not ludicrous to compare both fighters in terms of greatness. Only fan boy would think that.

And, yet I am the fan boy who don't know about boxing :nonono: Is that so? Give me your analysis of Lennox' career and I will give you mine. We'll see exactly how much knowledge you actually lack. Tell me exactly how he had a better career than Mike and what he did that will make him go down in history as the greater fighter.

MIKE peaked harder, dlh lasted longer.

Hoya had the bette career Tyson was overrall the better fighter

For a person who claims to be a boxing trainer and insider, this is a pretty stupid statement. You are going to factor in a fight in 2002 when Mike was totally shot and 12 years past his best into his standing in regards to greatness? Mike ranks higher than both Holyfield and Lennox Lewis in HW and ATG rankings. There's a reason why Lennox and Mike didn't fight when Mike came out of jail. Lewis declined a shot at Mike's title and a career highest purse and instead accepted a small amount of money, a fraction of what he'd have earned for fighting Mike, and no title because at that time he wanted no part of Tyson. Tyson KO's Lewis quickly and easily in 96/97 and Lewis knew it, which is why he accepted step aside money, passed on a title shot and career highest purse, and was later stripped of all his belts for refusing to face top fighters. To honestly compare Lennox Lewis to Mike Tyson in regards to greatness is truly ludicrous, man. The first fight to Holyfield, while dirty, was still a great fight and showed how tough Mike was, despite being headbutt until his entire head was swollen, he fought like a warrior for 10 rounds. And, yet I am the fan boy who don't know about boxing :nonono:

this is tough one but I'll go odh but nobody was feared like Tyson until after the Douglas fight.one thing I read a few months back comparing them.in a 10 fight span Tyson generated $567 million at the gate while odh did like $350 in a 12 fight span....heavyweight was always where the $$$ was at.mike Tyson could sell ppv fighting Clifford etienne

Says the guy with "Cancer patient" Oscar getting beat up in a terrible fight. You obviously don't know shit about boxing so why even say anything? You're just a fanboy and don't know shit. Oscar is an ATG. If he isn't, then we had better scratch a lot of others off the list, and it's going to be one hell of a short list. Like it should be... And, lets say Oscar is not an ATG. What ATG fighters would you scratch of the list?

:haha: what is up with this guy... Damn heeb he got you with this nailed it to the tee. You and your Boricua biased for saying Oscar is overrated. Your Cintron nuthugging ways makes you think he is not an ATG. I guess this thread makes me a Puerto Rican too with Carlos logic. :pat: I am not going to lie though I would rep Cupey Alto Puerto Rico... And, I think you know why :D hahahahahaha Let me so your top 50 ATG list... I demand to see a list that has Oscar in the top 50. Show it or GTFO... No seriously though, I would like to see your top 50 list. Says the guy with "Cancer patient" Oscar getting beat up in a terrible fight. You obviously don't know shit about boxing so why even say anything? You're just a fanboy and don't know shit. Oscar is an ATG. If he isn't, then we had better scratch a lot of others off the list, and it's going to be one hell of a short list.

Two overrated but very lucrative careers. Who had the better career? oscar by far. in terms of revenue, achievements and resume, oscar > tyson

Okay. I'm not even going to argue. You know what? Let's agree to disagree, how's that sound? You clearly don't like ODH, and that's fine. You don't think he's an ATG, and I do. We'll just leave it at that. Why don't you just give a list ? He has some very good points and I'm sure you do too. Let's see the list. I'm curious because when I think of Oscar I see him as a HOFer, not an ATG.

Oscar... who is the PPV king?? who's broke??:dunno:

I think Oscar around #50 is fair. He was virtually indestructible at WW, and his only losses were to Trinidad (a fight he actually won) Mosley (two closely contested battles) Hopkins (beat decisively) Floyd (close fight) and Manny (beat convincingly) so basically, he was only beaten decisively by Manny Pacquiao at 147lbs, and was completely weight-drained, and Bernard Hopkins at 160lbs. (Which was way too high of a weight for him.) I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone, but there's no real shame in any of his losses. The only question mark on his entire career I would have to say, would be the Felix Sturm fight. And he's fought some pretty hefty opposition. If he's not top 50 ATG p4p, he's GOT to be top 75 ATG. Nobody likes to admit it, because the guy is so hated, but you can't take away what he did in the ring. Well then if he really won the Tito fight then he really lost 2 fights at WW against a very old Whitaker and an inactive Quartey. If we going to give excuses or call robbery on the fights he lost then lets do the same for the questionable fights he won. Because, those 2 fights he lost. And, I mean lost But, he got the decision. Let me see your list. Do you have a list? Because, I want to see what Truely ATG fighters you will leave out to make room for Oscar who really is not an ATG. He is a sure fire, first ballot HOF'er but, not an ATG. So I am very interested to see who you left out.

If we going by money, then Oscar had the better career If we going by longevity Oscar get the nod Impact, Tyson and is not even close. accomplishments Oscar would edge it out but it is close though. It might be even so close that it might be debatable. But, i would give Oscar the edge. I am going to borrow IMDAZED line once again. Is not who but WHEN you beat them. Not who but when... Yes Oscar fought a lot of big names but also what should be considered is when he fought those big names.

LMAO!!!!!!!!! Wow, DLH is over rated? He fought everybody, at the top of their game, at anytime. DLH never ducked any man, and his resume is full of the most elite names outside of Winky Wright, which would have sucked anyway because that guys a snoozefest waiting to happen, and he BEAT most of them. DLH had an amazing career and if anything he gets more hate and less respect than he truly deserves. You are obviously pissy because you're Puerto Rican, and Oscar dealt with a lot of hate simple because he was a very good looking guy who would knock you the **** out. Tyson's career was an amazing one with how he dealt with opposition, but DLH definitely fought bigger names. It apparently is. Who are your hero's? Let me guess, Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron? LMAO. One has never beat an A rated fighter convincingly and the other is always crying like a pussy boricua bitch doing swan dives into the crowd. News flash Kermit: your diving match was the next day. :haha: what is up with this guy... Damn heeb he got you with this nailed it to the tee. You and your Boricua biased for saying Oscar is overrated. Your Cintron nuthugging ways makes you think he is not an ATG. I guess this thread makes me a Puerto Rican too with Carlos logic. :pat: I am not going to lie though I would rep Cupey Alto Puerto Rico... And, I think you know why :D Surely, he's top 50 ATG p4p though? If you don't rate him there, I'd think you'd be under-rating him. hahahahahaha Let me so your top 50 ATG list... I demand to see a list that has Oscar in the top 50. Show it or GTFO... No seriously though, I would like to see your top 50 list.

He lost all his biggest fights? The huge comeback vs Quartey and he beat Tito regardless of what the judges picked. There's no shame in losing to Hopkins and he split with Mosley, I mean some of these decisions he got were bogus. He did lose to Sturm though. DLH wasa great fighter, HOFer who had incredible skill and was a beautiful boxer to watch. Mike Tyson was INCREDIBLY overrated, his opponents level was no where near where DLH were. DLH had the much better career, resume and it's not really that close. All that is interesting... Very interesting.

I gotta' go with Oscar here. More longevity, he's in better shape physically and psychologically, and he's kept his money. He's easily had the better career. But I really fail to see how Oscar is overrated. He's only lost to the best of the best. (With the possible exception of Sturm, but he didn't actually *lose* that fight, even though we all know Felix got screwed.) A lot of people seem to disagree with me on Oscar being overrated. I think he gets overrated, but its mainly by casual fans. Most casual fans I speak to say de la Hoya was one of the greatest of all time. He was a great fighter, but not one of the greatest of all time. He had an impressive career, but I don't see him as more than a HOF. There's no shame in his career, and I'm not hating on the guy.