Was manny taking peds when he lost to erik morales?

YES....... using the norms in this board.

but he wasnt walking thru punches before ariza joined Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey. Out of those names, there are at least 3 (Diaz, Oscar, Hatton) of those fighters that never hit him with anything that can be considered damaging blows. The other two may have thrown a few with some power but I don't believe any of those punches would have been considered KO power punches. Was Manny hit in those fights? Yes but Manny had good movement and avoided from getting hit with KO power punches. If you remove any bias that you may have you would realize that Manny was just the better fighter. His movement caused the big problems in that the opponents couldn't catch him with anything big. Also, Oscar was not KOed Clottey was not KOed Cotto was not KOed Hatton had flaws and Manny took advantage of it....and was also KOed by Floyd Manny was just to quick for all of those guys .... that's why Manny won!!!

You say that the census say he started taking PEDS at 2008 Manny had power before and after 2008 with over 30 KO/TKOs (before 2008)...... so can we move on now especially when we have no concrete evidence of Manny being on PED? The point is as he moves up his power should diminish not increase. No other fighter's power has increased as he went up two weight classes.

So your thinking is that after Ariza Manny used PEDs but ....... You should be asking did Manny show any power before or after Ariza joined the team..... Manny showed power before and after Ariza joined. Yeah, that's part of the issue.

Floyd's power at 135 was better and he always had a good chin. Fail. he was knocking out his opponents in those weight because he has still got the balls to let his hands go compared to the higher weight class that he was fighting....

What you should be asking is, when did Alex Ariza join the team and when did he begin working with Manny? So your thinking is that after Ariza Manny used PEDs but ....... You should be asking did Manny show any power before or after Ariza joined the team..... Manny showed power before and after Ariza joined.

What you should be asking is, when did Alex Ariza join the team and when did he begin working with Manny?

common sense says they suspect him of using around the diaz fight..when ariza arrived..damn pactards..new day new excuses..lol You say that the census say he started taking PEDS at 2008 Manny had power before and after 2008 with over 30 KO/TKOs (before 2008)...... so can we move on now especially when we have no concrete evidence of Manny being on PED?

Actually the general census is that he started using when he started moving up around 2008 Before that Marquez was rocking him and after he can take punches from guy 20 lbs heavier to "feel their power" As he moves up his ability to throw with power and absorb power increases. Name one fighter ever who did this...just one. You say that the census say he started taking PEDS at 2008 but you also say that how can Manny have no power before but after yes...... Well, before 2008, Manny had over 30 KO/TKO .... So from your logic, he had power before and after 2008 ...... so can we move on now especially when we have no concrete evidence of Manny being on PED?

You just solidified my post. At 140 he's a bully at 147 he's a normal puncher. Manny is a more dangerous puncher at 147 than he was at 130 and can take a better punch than he could at 130...how is this possible based on the history of boxing ? You're in an argument with some Pacquiao stans and you're trying to use logic and reasoning? Good luck bro.

The main factor in getting KTFO in most cases is wearing down. If you take a PED like EPO and remain fresh for the entire fight you could take more punishment as the fight goes on much easier and also throw harder well into the fight. Two things that Manny has become exceedingly better at as he gets older and goes up in weight. Oh please Manny has had Excellent Stamina throughout his whole career. There has been NO proof or even suggestion that PEDs allow you to take a better punch. And yea Manny has been getting older but going from 25 - 30 years old and into your prime isnt the same as getting older from age 35-40. Plus Manny has always been able to take a good punch and dont give me the Marquez stunning him once as proof otherwise

Show me Any proof at all that PEDs allow you to take a better punch and give you a better chin PLease just 1 professional article The main factor in getting KTFO in most cases is wearing down. If you take a PED like EPO and remain fresh for the entire fight you could take more punishment as the fight goes on much easier and also throw harder well into the fight. Two things that Manny has become exceedingly better at as he gets older and goes up in weight.

As he moves up his ability to throw with power and absorb power increases. Name one fighter ever who did this...just one. Show me Any proof at all that PEDs allow you to take a better punch and give you a better chin PLease just 1 professional article

Or he could've stopped using PED's for that fight, knowing he was gonna be tested right before the fight. He says that he doesn't like taking a blood test right before a fight, because it weakens him like in the Morales fight. Maybe what weakened him was not having the freedom to take the PED for the Morales fight. as if he knows he will be tested.. its an accident that the commission said they SUDDENLY LOST HIS MEDICAL RECORDS.. :chairshot

You Fail. Power improved.. but he couldn't bully smaller fighters like he did at 140..:fing02: You just solidified my post. At 140 he's a bully at 147 he's a normal puncher. Manny is a more dangerous puncher at 147 than he was at 130 and can take a better punch than he could at 130...how is this possible based on the history of boxing ?

Cotto's power at 140 was better. Fail. You Fail. Power improved.. but he couldn't bully smaller fighters like he did at 140..:fing02:

LOOK at floyd mayweather he take punches better now..... Floyd's power at 135 was better and he always had a good chin. Fail.

As you move up and gain weight/mass.. your power will increase at the expense of some speed. Manny is stronger but noticeably slower (not much slower). His chin got better because he doesn't have to cut weight like before. An example would be miguel cotto. At 140, his chin got checked by b rated fighters. At 147.. chin got better and he hit even harder.. Cotto's power at 140 was better. Fail.

As he moves up his ability to throw with power and absorb power increases. Name one fighter ever who did this...just one. LOOK at floyd mayweather he take punches better now.....

pac was on ped everytime he wins a fight, pac was not on peds agaisnt torrecampo, 3k and morales but he was on peds since his flyweight days according to the flomos..... LOL.. He's on PEDs and an extraordinary according to Floyd himself. BUT.. he's still a one-dimensional fighter/brawler that will get KO'd by Floyd.. Hmm.. Which is it?