Do you think Arthur Abraham did it on purpose?

Lol @ Dirrell having a hard time staying on his feet? Did you actually watch the fight? He slipped on a wet advertising label... If a person slips they need not to protect themself, they are legally down and their opponent should back away.

I agree, and as you said no excuse. But of course he had several of them right after the fight that were pretty disgraceful imo. Looking back the DQ didn't make him look half as bad as his insinuations after the fight that Dirrell was faking. I interviewed Abraham face to face before the fight and asked him several questions about what he was expecting from Dirrell. I don't think a fighter has ever underestimated an opponent as much as Abraham did Dirrell. He truly believed Dirrell was just gonna run around like a girl until he landed one big punch and then goodnight. I asked him what he expects Dirrell to do differently from the Froch fight and he said "Nothing, all he can do is run. " and then he laughed like he was some comedian. The fact that he truly believed it was such an easy fight led to him being much more frustrated than we can even imagine. But ultimately Abraham's frustration was as much a result of him being mad at himself for half assing his training and being stupidly naieve about his opponents skills level as it was about the actual butt kicking he was taking in the ring. I must admit, as an AA fan I was very skeptical of Dirrell when he lay there. But after I cooled down I could only blame Abraham. And his post-fight antics didn't help his image much either. I don't personally know him, but I am acquainted with people who do, and they all assure me that he's a nice guy but when it comes to boxing he's very sure of himself to a point that he might come off as arrogant, which he is not. I can only hope that he has learned from this fight. I truly believe now that it was the best thing that could have happened to him. When a fighter goes undefeated for too long they tend to lose grasp of reality. I wish best of luck to Dirrell. And am looking forward to the new and improved Abraham against Froch.

Was it intentional? Yes. Did he have a completely clear grasp of the situation? I don't think so. Frustration combined with desperation can hugely impact a fighter's judgment. I forgive Abraham, but he has no excuse. I agree, and as you said no excuse. But of course he had several of them right after the fight that were pretty disgraceful imo. Looking back the DQ didn't make him look half as bad as his insinuations after the fight that Dirrell was faking. I interviewed Abraham face to face before the fight and asked him several questions about what he was expecting from Dirrell. I don't think a fighter has ever underestimated an opponent as much as Abraham did Dirrell. He truly believed Dirrell was just gonna run around like a girl until he landed one big punch and then goodnight. I asked him what he expects Dirrell to do differently from the Froch fight and he said "Nothing, all he can do is run. " and then he laughed like he was some comedian. The fact that he truly believed it was such an easy fight led to him being much more frustrated than we can even imagine. But ultimately Abraham's frustration was as much a result of him being mad at himself for half assing his training and being stupidly naieve about his opponents skills level as it was about the actual butt kicking he was taking in the ring.

Yeah, I think the word "purpose" has mixed meanings in this context. It was not an accidental punch, so it was surely on purpose. But it was NOT on purpose in the sense that Abraham is not some murdering scumbag who's purpose was to decapitate Dirrell. Get an English teacher in here, please. Was it intentional? Yes. Did he have a completely clear grasp of the situation? I don't think so. Frustration combined with desperation can hugely impact a fighter's judgment. I forgive Abraham, but he has no excuse. So you're saying, he meant to sucker punch him, but with good intentions. :rofl:

Just to be clear. Doing something because you are very frustrated does not mean that you did not do it on purpose. Yeah, I think the word "purpose" has mixed meanings in this context. It was not an accidental punch, so it was surely on purpose. But it was NOT on purpose in the sense that Abraham is not some murdering scumbag who's purpose was to decapitate Dirrell. Get an English teacher in here, please. Was it intentional? Yes. Did he have a completely clear grasp of the situation? I don't think so. Frustration combined with desperation can hugely impact a fighter's judgment. I forgive Abraham, but he has no excuse.

Just to be clear. Doing something because you are very frustrated does not mean that you did not do it on purpose. i mean i know that people do stuff when they ARE frustrated i guess i could say it was the heat of the moment

Just to be clear. Doing something because you are very frustrated does not mean that you did not do it on purpose. Lol, I was about to say the same thing. Took the words right out of my mouth. I don't give anyone a pass on doing something 'because they were frustrated'.

No. But he was robbed of a k.o win on purpose. Whatever the hell that means. Dirrell should have gotten 3 points for kicking his ass so bad that he Dq'd himself on purpose.

Just to be clear. Doing something because you are very frustrated does not mean that you did not do it on purpose.

What you're aren't understanding is, if someone complains to the ref about a low blow to no avail, it's perfectly legal if you go after him. Watch that round again, Dirrell did NOT go after the back of Abraham's head. But my point is, if someone slips you are not allowed to hit them, but if someone is standing and the ref does not intervene it's legal. Big difference. the ref was about to call it a slip but Abraham hit him before the ref could say anything! :lol1: anyways i don't think he did it on purpose, i think abraham was just frustrated and tried to hit him so i mean he was punch happy at that time imo

Abraham was fair game when he was complaining, Dirrell wasn't when he slipped. And I'm obviously an Abraham fan. This is really all that needs to be said. Abraham's complaining was excessive and Dirrell was very sportsmanlike in only attacking him once out of the 8-10 times that Abraham complained and turned to the ref. I'm not gonna go railing on about people never being in the ring and being too dumb to judge but I will say that I have trained on and off in boxing gyms and sparred other amateur level guys in rings that weren't worth a sh*t while wearing shoes that weren't made for boxing. Guys slip and fall quite a bit under those conditions and you know damn well when they are down. I know AA was in the heat of the moment but I can also guarantee you that people slip and fall in front on him in training all the time and he probably has not knocked any of them unconscious. I knew when a guy was down and when it was not alright to punch, I refuse to believe that a professional fighter with Abraham's resume hasn't developed those same instincts to a much higher level.

Of course he did it on purpose. He had a chance to do some damage in the 10th round and couldn't land another significant punch after Dirrell was down. If you watch the 11th round Abraham had not landed a single punch in the round before he maliciously fouled Dirrell out of sheer frustration. Also, look at the 4th round when Dirrell knocks Abraham down. You see how Dirrell landed a clean punch to the body, Abraham complains to no avail, then he swings wildly out of frustration ONLY to get knocked down which would cause more frustration. Abraham was getting outboxed and outclassed, plus he was upset the referee wasn't kissing his ass. He did it on purpose.

What you're aren't understanding is, if someone complains to the ref about a low blow to no avail, it's perfectly legal if you go after him. Watch that round again, Dirrell did NOT go after the back of Abraham's head. But my point is, if someone slips you are not allowed to hit them, but if someone is standing and the ref does not intervene it's legal. Big difference.

Also lets all take into account, after Gary Shaw delivered that famous line, Abraham yet again complained to the referee about a low blow. Abraham signaled to the referee and turned his back to Dirrell. What does Dirrell do? Swings for Abrahams head while his back is to him. What makes that so different? Protect yourself at all times. Abraham wasn't protecting himself. You can't just turn around any time you want and expect the fight to halt. That being said, I thought what Dirrell did was a bit dirty. Had that clean punch connected on an unassuming AA God know what would've happened. And I am sure there wouldn't be nearly as much buzz as when Abraham actually landed a similar, admittedly illegal punch, on Dirrell. Abraham was fair game when he was complaining, Dirrell wasn't when he slipped. And I'm obviously an Abraham fan.

Also lets all take into account, after Gary Shaw delivered that famous line, Abraham yet again complained to the referee about a low blow. Abraham signaled to the referee and turned his back to Dirrell. What does Dirrell do? Swings for Abrahams head while his back is to him. What makes that so different? Are you implying that everytime a fighter complains to the ref about a legal scoring punch that the other fighter should be obligated to take a step back and let him recover? Jesus Christ I sure hope not, that'd be about the dumbest thing I had read in 6 years on this forum.

I think he was getting so frustrated with Dirrell whooping his ass, and the borderline "lowblows", and Dirrell hopping around the ring where he couldn't catch him that it all boiled over and he fouled him purposely. Dirrell was making him look bad I think he was embarrased to say the least. i think so too. of course it was in the heat of the moment but that was not like a normal punch. that was even lower than a low blow, he had to reach down to punch him.

Also lets all take into account, after Gary Shaw delivered that famous line, Abraham yet again complained to the referee about a low blow. Abraham signaled to the referee and turned his back to Dirrell. What does Dirrell do? Swings for Abrahams head while his back is to him. What makes that so different?

haha I found that very ironic when watching 360. There is a big difference. In boxing when a fighter slips to the canvas the fight the action is always halted 100% of the time. On the other hand when a fighter scores a legal punch to the body there are very few instances when the referee calls a halt to the fight for the benefit of the guy who just got cleanly punched. Abraham for some reason (because he is used to German refs suck*ng his cock) figured he could just complain and complain about legal punches until his opponent got deducted. So really Abraham broke the code of the sport twice. Once for hitting an opponent that he knew was down and Twice when he tried to cheat and complain his way to an undeserved point deduction.

The referee yelled stop numerous times and attempted to make his way over there but Abraham did it too quickly. It's not like the ref yelled stop after the fact, right when he slipped he tried to intervene. If Abraham did it so fast like you say, then why was Margarito - Cotto allowed to go on? I mean **** some people would say Margarito had plaster of paris in his hands that night. The shot was a lot cleaner too.

According to him, the fact that the referee didn't get in his way meant that it was a completely legal punch. He didn't do it on purpose as a 'foul', but threw it as a normal punch. Though Gary Shaw's infamous line to Andre Dirrell after AA's complains for low blows, does AA some justice. "If the ref doesn't stop you, keep ****ing punching" - Gary Shaw circa 5th round. Of course he did it on purpose. He had a chance to do some damage in the 10th round and couldn't land another significant punch after Dirrell was down. If you watch the 11th round Abraham had not landed a single punch in the round before he maliciously fouled Dirrell out of sheer frustration.