Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.
It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.
When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.
When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.
The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.
You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.
Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.
Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.25 pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.
Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.
If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.
knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.
PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.
Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.
Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.
They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.
If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.
He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.
Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!
If Floyd will insist to a 60/40 boxing fans should expose Floyd as the ducker he really is!:davil2:
60/40 for PACQUIAO!
Why?
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
Pac also has more boxing career achievement than Floyd..
Just saying..
:boxing:
If we were to choose who deserves a 60/40 it definitely should go for PAc. Credentials alone is enough to pay homage and respect.
But Pac is nice he is willing to split it 50/50 and maybe I have a feeling even go 55/45 in favor of mayweather.
He just wants it for the legacy and the fans. He just wants to make it happen :fing02:
I guess you brain is a size of a walnut lol.. I'm sure you never closed a deal in your life haha! Negotiations is all about what you have to bring in the table. Fighter of the decade doesn't mean shit??
Being an entertainer is what boxing is about. Entertaining fans and you say being exciting isn't important?
Pac is a foreigner and it doesn't matter? He can't even speak good english so he lacks the communications skills to reach his american fan base, but even with that handicap he still is popular in america. Of course it does matter, we all know there is always a plus when your countrymen likes you. America is a big country. And if they have an American fighter they will support there kind.
Same as how Pac is in his country he shuts down the whole country when he is fighting.
Same as Ghatti, same as Felix trinidad in Puerto Rico Ali in america etc.:pat:. You can't say nationalism isn't a factor. It is if you have a brain that is
Fighter of the decade means DICK...when its compared to dollars and u know it. Tell me, how many more people are gonna tune in, because Pac was named "fighter of the decade"? If u can't count that high, I will tell u the answer...ZERO! So, explain how that is "bringing something to the table.
Floyd is 2x the entertaining as Pac is. Pac is ONLY entertaining inside the ring. Most people that enjoy the artistry and skill of boxing (and not just KO's and brawling) love FMJ and find him entertaining inside the ring. Many people enjoy his boxing(not brawling) and even if they don't like him, the haters tune in to see him get beat. Not only that, but he has charisma and the gift of gab, unlike Pac, whether he's speaking English, Tagalog or Visaya. Floyd is entertaining to some and boring to others in the ring. But he is entertaining to almost all outside the ring. Pac is interesting to most in the ring, but entertaining to almost no one outside the ring.
Might want to rescind that "walnut" comment. You are not even addressing the matter at hand, and yet you are thinking you've bested me. I never said that someone not speaking english, won't affect their drawing power in the US. My point was...WHO CARES! Its not FMJ fault that Pac wasn't born here. Do u think, that Floyd went to Oscar and said "since i was born black and not Mexican American, and Mexicans support Mexicans more than they do blacks, that shouldn't be used against me. I should get paid just as if I am Mexican American and a bigger draw than I am". Just imagine how far negotiations would've gotten, if he was using your logic(or lack there of).
Shutting down his own country does nothing for his PPV buys or the gate in the USA, so who cares. In the Phils, they are so desperate for almost ANYTHING positive, that, of course, they are gonna grasp onto Pac the way they do. For most, they only know poverty and hardship, so, someone like Pac, that can give them pride and make them feel good, they are gonna grab and hold onto. Been there and my wife is from there.
I do have a brain thanks. If u have one, maybe you can learn to read and address that matters that are actually in my post.
if true, this is not about money. this is about mind game. as if floyd is trying to say that he is better than pac. you people really think that pac will turn down the 40M (40% if the fight will generates 100M) if not of Floyd's mind game.
Expecting 4 million but getting 1.4 million is success?
I wish that would be the case in real life......
Example: If GM was expecting (forecasting) sales of 4 million but they only sold 1.4 million cars their stocks would go down NOT up!
That is a perfect example spot on my man :beerchug:
floyd deserves more cause he sells more its that simple. so what if he spends 10 times more just to sell a tad bit more. economics schmeconomics! floyd sells more he wins! expecting 4 million but doing 1.4 million= success!
Expecting 4 million but getting 1.4 million is success?
I wish that would be the case in real life......
Example: If GM was expecting (forecasting) sales of 4 million but they only sold 1.4 million cars their stocks would go down NOT up!
Well said...............
Another moron Flomo hear lol
Any "reason" u can come up with, still does not change the bottom line. FMJ is the bigger draw. It would be like saying "Walmart uses immoral practices in route to becoming the biggest retailer". That might well be true, but when it comes to wanting to get into a certain area, they are gonna have the upper hand over a Target, because bottom line, THEY BRING IN MORE REVENUE!
I guess you brain is a size of a walnut lol.. I'm sure you never closed a deal in your life haha! Negotiations is all about what you have to bring in the table. Fighter of the decade doesn't mean shit??
Being an entertainer is what boxing is about. Entertaining fans and you say being exciting isn't important?
Pac is a foreigner and it doesn't matter? He can't even speak good english so he lacks the communications skills to reach his american fan base, but even with that handicap he still is popular in america. Offcourse it does matter, we all know there is always a plus when your countrymen likes you. America is a big country. And if they have an american fighter they will support there kind.
Same as how Pac is in his country he shuts down the whole country when he is fighting.
Same as Ghatti, same as Felix trinidad in Puerto Rico Ali in america etc.:pat:. You can't say nationalism isn't a factor. It is if you have a brain that is
Why is it that everyone talking about 50-50 gives excuse after excuse, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING do with how normal contracts are negotiated.
Some of the reasoning is absolutely ludicrous.
1. Pac is a foreigner and he cant be expected to do as well as FMJ.
This is silly. Where u were born is just things are. He comes to the US for the big time fights. Him not being born here, has NO bearing on the bottom line. Floyd bring in more revenue...PERIOD!
2.Pac is fighter of the decade, Fighter of the Year. And? NO BEARING!
3.Pac is more exciting :Still no bearing.
4.Pac fights didn't do as well, cuz his promotions aren't as large:Should FMJ be punished because Pac stayed with Arum(Top Rank)?
Any "reason" u can come up with, still does not change the bottom line. FMJ is the bigger draw. It would be like saying "Walmart uses immoral practices in route to becoming the biggest retailer". That might well be true, but when it comes to wanting to get into a certain area, they are gonna have the upper hand over a Target, because bottom line, THEY BRING IN MORE REVENUE!
I guess you brain is a size of a walnut lol.. I'm sure you never closed a deal in your life haha! Negotiations is all about what you have to bring in the table. Fighter of the decade doesn't mean shit??
Being an entertainer is what boxing is about. Entertaining fans and you say being exciting isn't important?
Pac is a foreigner and it doesn't matter? He can't even speak good english so he lacks the communications skills to reach his american fan base, but even with that handicap he still is popular in america. Offcourse it does matter, we all know there is always a plus when your countrymen likes you. America is a big country. And if they have an american fighter they will support there kind.
Same as how Pac is in his country he shuts down the whole country when he is fighting.
Same as Ghatti, same as Felix trinidad in Puerto Rico Ali in america etc.:pat:. You can't say nationalism isn't a factor. It is if you have a brain that is
Why is it that everyone talking about 50-50 gives excuse after excuse, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING do with how normal contracts are negotiated.
Some of the reasoning is absolutely ludicrous.
1. Pac is a foreigner and he cant be expected to do as well as FMJ.
This is silly. Where u were born is just things are. He comes to the US for the big time fights. Him not being born here, has NO bearing on the bottom line. Floyd bring in more revenue...PERIOD!
2.Pac is fighter of the decade, Fighter of the Year. And? NO BEARING!
3.Pac is more exciting :Still no bearing.
4.Pac fights didn't do as well, cuz his promotions aren't as large:Should FMJ be punished because Pac stayed with Arum(Top Rank)?
Any "reason" u can come up with, still does not change the bottom line. FMJ is the bigger draw. It would be like saying "Walmart uses immoral practices in route to becoming the biggest retailer". That might well be true, but when it comes to wanting to get into a certain area, they are gonna have the upper hand over a Target, because bottom line, THEY BRING IN MORE REVENUE!Well said...............
Why is it that everyone talking about 50-50 gives excuse after excuse, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING do with how normal contracts are negotiated?
Some of the reasoning is absolutely ludicrous.
1. Pac is a foreigner and he cant be expected to do as well as FMJ:
This is silly. Where u were born is just how things are. He comes to the US for the big time fights. Him not being born here, has NO bearing on the bottom line. Floyd bring in more revenue...PERIOD!
2.Pac is fighter of the decade, Fighter of the Year: And? NO BEARING!
3.Pac is more exciting:Still no bearing.
4.Pac fights didn't do as well, cuz his promotions aren't as large:Should FMJ be punished because Pac stayed with Arum(Top Rank)?
Any "reason" u can come up with, still does not change the bottom line. FMJ is the bigger draw. It would be like saying "Walmart uses immoral practices in route to becoming the biggest retailer". That might well be true, but when it comes to wanting to get into a certain area, they are gonna have the upper hand over a Target, because bottom line, THEY BRING IN MORE REVENUE!
Look, these "I have to dig at Floyd", and "is he your boyfriend" comments show you to be a level above a retard.
I always respond to the topic at hand. You can't even acknowledge that Floyd deserves more money. I was surprised Floyd accepted the 50/50 deal the first time, but when the fans spoke of wanting to see the fight...a super fight of this magnitude had to be made. I understood that...
Now that Floyd has out sold Pac gain, you expect any rational fan to say PAc deserves 50-50 now? You are embarrassing yourself.
Bro, grow up and learn to be rational, coz your not making any sense really. :stooges:
Truth hurts. You still haven't responded to my posts. You are basing your opinions off emotion. :drive:Responded to your posts lol...!!!??? There is absolutely no reason to respond to you, because you have not offered anything worth responding to lol... I'm out of this thread also lol...
Look, these "I have to dig at Floyd", and "is he your boyfriend" comments show you to be a level above a retard.
I always respond to the topic at hand. You can't even acknowledge that Floyd deserves more money. I was surprised Floyd accepted the 50/50 deal the first time, but when the fans spoke of wanting to see the fight...a super fight of this magnitude had to be made. I understood that...
Now that Floyd has out sold Pac gain, you expect any rational fan to say PAc deserves 50-50 now? You are embarrassing yourself.
Truth hurts. You still haven't responded to my posts. You are basing your opinions off emotion. :drive:
Please stop what? I talk rationally. I'm just waiting for you to do the same. I have a dig at floyd. So what? Is he your boyfriend? Why don't you actually respond to the message posted and stop acting like a pea brain. LOL! :drive:Look, these "I have to dig at Floyd", and "is he your boyfriend" comments show you to be a level above a retard.
I always respond to the topic at hand. You can't even acknowledge that Floyd deserves more money. I was surprised Floyd accepted the 50/50 deal the first time, but when the fans spoke of wanting to see the fight...a super fight of this magnitude had to be made. I understood that...
Now that Floyd has out sold Pac gain, you expect any rational fan to say PAc deserves 50-50 now? You are embarrassing yourself.
I decide to converse with you pea brain.. Bring up a simple fact that even you should be able to comprehend. Yet, you still can't.... :drive:Another priceless gem of a post lol...