Was Kelly Pavlik Ruined by Bernard Hopkins or Exposed?

It was both if youask me; if Jermaine Taylor had any kind of conditioning he would have KO'd Pavlik in the first fight. You could also make a case that Taylor won the rematch.

I would say ruined since he became a crusty emotional drunk after. He was that before Hops got to him.

All of Hopkins' signature wins over so called elite opponents have went on to become tarnished. Let's take a look at em. 1. Jermain Taylor - Hopkins didn't even win these fights and Taylor never went on to beat a good fighter for the rest of his career. 2. Antonio Tarver - Went on to get dominated by Chad Dawson twice and became a Showtime commentator. Lol. 3. Winky Wright - Went on to lose one sidedly to Paul Williams 4. Kelly Pavlik - Martinez schooled the shit out of him except for in the middle rounds and Pavlik had a big weight advantage. I think Hopkins is very overrated on here.

Pavlik is a b class fighter with a big punch...nothing to be ashamed of. He was in the ring with one of the smartest boxers ever in the immortal B-Hop

He wasn't ruined and he wasn't exposed, he was outboxed.

It was both if youask me; if Jermaine Taylor had any kind of conditioning he would have KO'd Pavlik in the first fight.

How come you havent got an option for both? Exposed him, and now he is facing ruin. Hes not the same now is he? Not that im saying BH ruins every boxer he beats though. Im not kissing BH butt.

No one made Kelly fight at 160, its his own fault. If he was good enough to compete with fighters his own size on a world class level he would have moved up long ago. I dont get the "fighters his own size thing". He outgrew 160 and moved up. Watch the Martinez-Pavlik weigh-in Pavliks camp acted like they won the superbowl when he made weight. He was drained. It isnt Martinez fault but it doesnt change the fact that he WAS drained.

Man nobody did except me and a few other people man. There were like 10 Hopkins will get KOed for the first time threads on the night of the scrap. Count me in.... The Pavlik will KO Hops threads were made every 5 minutes.

Probably the bottom two. They took a chance that Bernard would be a little over the hill and they lost. Which goes back to the fact that fighters typically only fight guys they they have a good chance of beating. Kelly is still a great fighter. Bhop is just a much better fighter than he is.

plz, i bet on hops over pavlik, kelly is so shit it's not even funny Man nobody did except me and a few other people man. There were like 10 Hopkins will get KOed for the first time threads on the night of the scrap.

plz, i bet on hops over pavlik, kelly is so shit it's not even funny

Hopkins handed him his ass. Martinez beat a weight drained Pavlik.

He was ruined mentally, emotionally, and physically.

he was ruined by injuries then fighting weak opposition after becoming champion

fighters with good lateral movement will beat him,providing they have good staminia and enough pop to keep him off him,his trainer isnt much help either

He was exposed as not being World class, I remember when ppl wanted to see him fight Calzaghe. Now that would have seemed like a total joke if it happened after Sergio verified what B-hop uncovered which is that a little speed and lateral movement and Kelly can't do really much of anything. i still dont look at it as "exposed" he was falsely labeled world class.... the only ones exposed are the ones who believed in the hype IMO

He was exposed as not being World class, I remember when ppl wanted to see him fight Calzaghe. Now that would have seemed like a total joke if it happened after Sergio verified what B-hop uncovered which is that a little speed and lateral movement and Kelly can't do really much of anything. His trainer was also exposed, in a big way.

His limitations were exposed, and I think it had a mental effect on Pavlik. So, both really.

iv never rated the lad. i think him and froch are contenders for the worst former champions in a while.