***Official Ward vs Green Super6 Poll***

OP was right on point. Just wish he could have stopped Green.

Ward. :) By an inch

Green doesn't match up well defensively. Miranda is basically a one-handed puncher and he was landing his right hand from the opening bell on Green. No way can Green deal with Andre Ward's arsenal.

More evidence of ward being overrated. See check's thread about wards career setting up to be atg that he just started. Lol!

Boxingscene doesn't rate HW's as p4p'ers. Bute is not over Ward or if he is its only by a fraction. I don't give a damn about boxingscene's pfp. I've never even seen it. I was talking about posters on boxingscene. Not ranking heavies makes 0 sense especially heavies that came up from lower weight classes (proving their pfp worthiness). Well I'm quite sure you don't like bute the way he one punched andrade. Plus bute looked far better v Miranda. I'm not a pfp type guy, we can argue this all day. One thing that we know for sure is that are well over 20 more accomplished boxers out there than ward. That is a 100% fact. I see right through you and burners pfp lists and comments- how you treat your favorites or boxers associated with them.

Naw..... Haye, Viatli, Alexander, and Cab over Ward ,I disagree with. First off Haye and Vit are heavies. Haye hasnt beaten anybody and Vitali looked shot in his last fight. Alexander and Cab dont have the type of win that Ward has over Kessler. Top 15 1. Mayweather 2. Pacquiao 3. Williams 4. Dawson 5. Martinez 6. The Pong 7. Montiel 8. Marquez 9. Cotto 10. Mosley 11. Ward 12. Cab 13. Bute 14. Bradley 15. Lopez haye was undisputed cw champion and has proved worthy in other weight classes. Cab's body of work in different weight classes and dominations over a different champions dwarfs the one good win over kessler. V klit has many better wins than the kessler win and hasn't lost more than one round in his last 4 fights easy. Ward isn't even close. He has one good win and one decent win.

what have you done for me lately. Look, I'm going to go ahead and say that he is way overrated here on boxingscene. I heard top 5 pfp on here, top 10 pfp and top 15 from different posters. All are preposterous (especially the first two). Since you and burner think top 15 is accurate but refuse to back up your claims. I'll go ahead and just name 15 I would rank pfp higher than ward real quick. I have no formal list that I keep... V klit, w klit, d haye, t adamek, c Dawson, a dirrell, l bute, s Martinez, p will, fmj, PAC man, cotto, T Bradley, d Alexander, jmm, caballero, calderon, darchiniyan, montiel, rafa.... And so on and so forth. You may want to argue a few so I threw a few extras in. I said top 25 and that may he pushing it. Boxingscene doesn't rate HW's as p4p'ers. Bute is not over Ward or if he is its only by a fraction.

kessler was ranked 19th when ward beat him. the way he won makes him top 15 for me. i still won't have him top 10 yet if he beats green tonight though. if and when he wins the tourny i'd probably have him in the top 5, at least top 10. for the record i think he beats dirrell. he's fast enough to cope with dirrell's speed, and has the skills and tenacity to keep dirrell where he wants him.

No love for Pongsaklek? He certainly is better than Darchinyan who has posted one really good victory and has taken two losses. Him too. I named about 20 boxers and said ward probably is barely top 25. Hell, Chris John should be higher pfp than Andre ward. Maybe giovanni segura too (segura-calderon anyone?). Poonsawat?

what have you done for me lately. Look, I'm going to go ahead and say that he is way overrated here on boxingscene. I heard top 5 pfp on here, top 10 pfp and top 15 from different posters. All are preposterous (especially the first two). Since you and burner think top 15 is accurate but refuse to back up your claims. I'll go ahead and just name 15 I would rank pfp higher than ward real quick. I have no formal list that I keep... V klit, w klit, d haye, t adamek, c Dawson, a dirrell, l bute, s Martinez, p will, fmj, PAC man, cotto, T Bradley, d Alexander, jmm, caballero, calderon, darchiniyan, montiel, rafa.... And so on and so forth. You may want to argue a few so I threw a few extras in. I said top 25 and that may he pushing it. Naw..... Haye, Viatli, Alexander, and Cab over Ward ,I disagree with. First off Haye and Vit are heavies. Haye hasnt beaten anybody and Vitali looked shot in his last fight. Alexander and Cab dont have the type of win that Ward has over Kessler. Top 15 1. Mayweather 2. Pacquiao 3. Williams 4. Dawson 5. Martinez 6. The Pong 7. Montiel 8. Marquez 9. Cotto 10. Mosley 11. Ward 12. Cab 13. Bute 14. Bradley 15. Lopez

I got Green cuz I like Green(no homo)....nuff said!! :boxing:.....I got 50k on Green by KO or TKO....no points shit(decision)....who want it?....if Green wins by stoppage, I win....ANYTHING else, I lose.....I'm daring a Ward fan to be great!! :lol1:

what have you done for me lately. Look, I'm going to go ahead and say that he is way overrated here on boxingscene. I heard top 5 pfp on here, top 10 pfp and top 15 from different posters. All are preposterous (especially the first two). Since you and burner think top 15 is accurate but refuse to back up your claims. I'll go ahead and just name 15 I would rank pfp higher than ward real quick. I have no formal list that I keep... V klit, w klit, d haye, t adamek, c Dawson, a dirrell, l bute, s Martinez, p will, fmj, PAC man, cotto, T Bradley, d Alexander, jmm, caballero, calderon, darchiniyan, montiel, rafa.... And so on and so forth. You may want to argue a few so I threw a few extras in. I said top 25 and that may he pushing it. No love for Pongsaklek? He certainly is better than Darchinyan who has posted one really good victory and has taken two losses.

Beyer (WBA-WBC unification) (0.55): what have you done for me lately. Look, I'm going to go ahead and say that he is way overrated here on boxingscene. I heard top 5 pfp on here, top 10 pfp and top 15 from different posters. All are preposterous (especially the first two). Since you and burner think top 15 is accurate but refuse to back up your claims. I'll go ahead and just name 15 I would rank pfp higher than ward real quick. I have no formal list that I keep... V klit, w klit, d haye, t adamek, c Dawson, a dirrell, l bute, s Martinez, p will, fmj, PAC man, cotto, T Bradley, d Alexander, jmm, caballero, calderon, darchiniyan, montiel, rafa.... And so on and so forth. You may want to argue a few so I threw a few extras in. I said top 25 and that may he pushing it.

No, I'm familiar with the former titleholders he beat and some of his top flight contenders he beat. Don't recall many of them being onlf the one punch variety in which we were taking about. Ward top 15 pfp? Based off what? Win v kessler? Win vs Miranda? Win vs. ? Potential? Beyer (WBA-WBC unification) (0.55):

I was replying to the fact that you hadn't heard about Kessler's KO-victims. Now you say you are familiar with them so all is good. No, I'm familiar with the former titleholders he beat and some of his top flight contenders he beat. Don't recall many of them being onlf the one punch variety in which we were taking about. Ward top 15 pfp? Based off what? Win v kessler? Win vs Miranda? Win vs. ? Potential?

Walt if If Green takes care of Ward tonight. I'll gladly eat crow. I'll be damn surprised myself. I'm just saying ward is overrated on here. We can just table it till we get to ward-dirrel when we'll be on the same team for a change!

Bat, the discussion is twofold 1) I said sog is overrated on boxingscene. Burner disagrees. 2) burner said if ward took kessler's shits he can take greens biggest punch. So my kessler remarks are based on his ko power. I'm familiar that kessler was a very formidible and credible champ before calzaghe beat him in a competitive but one sided fight. I'm also familiar with his promotional and motivational problems since the calzaghe fight. I don't think ward faced the best kessler that night and I don't think ward's victories over kessler and Miranda warrant top 10-15 pfp considerations. Since you want to join the discussion late, please catch up from here. Why do you think I think so highly of Greek when I've said ward will win a decision, but I'm willing to take 5-1 and 10-1 odds on green? All I've said is that he has 1 punch ko power and is live in this fight. I was replying to the fact that you hadn't heard about Kessler's KO-victims. Now you say you are familiar with them so all is good.

That's nice, we are discussing ward being overrated. Burner said hexshould he top 10-15 pfp. I disagree. In a later post, burner went on to agree that kessler hasn't look good as of late. If he hasn't looked good, what else has sog done to be top 10-15 pfp? Read the thread bat. I've read the thread. My point was that Ward being in top 10-15 p4p is plausible although a little high IMO.

I didnt say he hasnt looke good. I just said that I think Green would beat him because I dont think kessler will be the same after that war with Froch. If Green is as good as he and others think then he should beat Ward convincingly. First off, you never made your case of why ward could be considered top 10 pfp? Or even top 15. Second off, I see almost everyone voting that ward will win and only a hanful of straight up bets on here favoring green. Some people are rooting for green, VERY few people think green is going to win. A number of people feel green is live though (including me). I'm with you on dirrell ward as I posted earlier. Ward will catch an l, especially if it's not in his hometown.

Walt if If Green takes care of Ward tonight. I'll gladly eat crow.