Puerto Rico's P4P Top 10 ATG's

No Wilfredo Vazquez Sr, Esteban De Jesus or Cocoa Kid?

i will agree that "vita" definitely belongs on that list, but the duran he beat was not at the top of his game. it was still early in his career. but that being said estaban gets underrated because he had the bad timing to be in the division at the same time as arguably the best 135 ever. early in his carreer to me means that it happened in one of his first 20 fights that was like duran's 31st fight but hey to each their own and i can agree to disagree but once again I dont think any other boricua boxer can say that they were the first to beat an atg and Vita sure did

In my opinion Esteban De Jesus accomplish something that no ther Boricua did, He beat one of the ATG at his prime in Roberto Duran what else compares to that. He will always be known to be the man who gave Duran his first defeat and thats back when Duran was at the top of his game.i will agree that "vita" definitely belongs on that list, but the duran he beat was not at the top of his game. it was still early in his career. but that being said estaban gets underrated because he had the bad timing to be in the division at the same time as arguably the best 135 ever.

Ivan Calderon is way overrated!!! :pat: he is not, he can outbox anyone

Ivan Calderon is way overrated!!!

In my opinion Esteban De Jesus accomplish something that no ther Boricua did, He beat one of the ATG at his prime in Roberto Duran what else compares to that. He will always be known to be the man who gave Duran his first defeat and thats back when Duran was at the top of his game. great post. He beat Duran fair and square.

C@cique@PR;8639386]1.Wilfredo Gomez - 44-3-1(42KOs) 2.Wilfred Benitez - 53-8-1(31KOs) 3.Felix Trinidad 42-3-0(35KOs) 4.Carlos Ortiz - 61-7-1(30KOs) 5.Ivan Calderon 34-0-1(6KOs) 6.Jose Torres 41-3-1(20KOs) 7.Hector Camacho 79-6-3(38KOs) 8.Carlos De Leon 52-8-1(32KOs) 9.Edwin Rosario - 47-6-0(41KOs) 10.Miguel Cotto - 35-2-0(28KOs) not too bad..........

C@cique@PR;8639386]1.Wilfredo Gomez - 44-3-1(42KOs) 2.Wilfred Benitez - 53-8-1(31KOs) 3.Felix Trinidad 42-3-0(35KOs) 4.Carlos Ortiz - 61-7-1(30KOs) 5.Ivan Calderon 34-0-1(6KOs) 6.Jose Torres 41-3-1(20KOs) 7.Hector Camacho 79-6-3(38KOs) 8.Carlos De Leon 52-8-1(32KOs) 9.Edwin Rosario - 47-6-0(41KOs) 10.Miguel Cotto - 35-2-0(28KOs) Like the list but i would drop ivan down to 9 and move rosario up to 5 only because his career is not yet over. Plus i think rosario is completely underrated. But for the most part i agree with you especially with Bazooka as #1.

In my opinion Esteban De Jesus accomplish something that no ther Boricua did, He beat one of the ATG at his prime in Roberto Duran what else compares to that. He will always be known to be the man who gave Duran his first defeat and thats back when Duran was at the top of his game. This is exactly right. He definitely ahead of Calderon and Cotto.

C@cique@PR;8639386]1.Wilfredo Gomez - 44-3-1(42KOs) 2.Wilfred Benitez - 53-8-1(31KOs) 3.Felix Trinidad 42-3-0(35KOs) 4.Carlos Ortiz - 61-7-1(30KOs) 5.Ivan Calderon 34-0-1(6KOs) 6.Jose Torres 41-3-1(20KOs) 7.Hector Camacho 79-6-3(38KOs) 8.Carlos De Leon 52-8-1(32KOs) 9.Edwin Rosario - 47-6-0(41KOs) 10.Miguel Cotto - 35-2-0(28KOs) id have calderon a little lower definately under cotto but thats just my opinion.

you forgot John John Molina. and Jonathan Andres Amaro is not bad either

In my opinion Esteban De Jesus accomplish something that no ther Boricua did, He beat one of the ATG at his prime in Roberto Duran what else compares to that. He will always be known to be the man who gave Duran his first defeat and thats back when Duran was at the top of his game.

I agree with Tesla that both Vazquez and DeJesus are in there and probably>Calderon TBH.... But, anyways counting both weight-class :thumbsdow: But, even if you do he only has 17 just like Tito if you count Tito both weight-classes. I had to go look this up. These are his title defenses 1. Lorenzo Trejo 2. Alex Sanchez 3. Roberto Levya 4. Carlos Fajardo 5. Noel Tunacao 6. Gerardo Verde 7. Daniel Reyes 8. Isaac Bustos 9. Miguel Tellez 10. Jose Luis Varela 11. Ronald Barrera 12. Juan Esquer 13. Nelson Dieppa 14. Hugo Cazares 15. Rodel Mayol 16. Rodel Mayol 17. Jesus Irrebe And, one of those title defenses were a draw. I guess you can count that as a successful title defense. But, anyways who am I missing who is the 18th? Tito don't have to look this up and is not in order. But, I know every single title defense he has. And, he did it with no draws all of them were wins. 1. Garcia 2. Stephens 3. Camacho 4. Carr 5. Campas 6. Pendleton 7. Zulu 8. Lueshing 9. Lovato 10. Barnes 11. Moore 12. Turner 13. Whitaker 14. Pineda 15. Oscar 16. Thiam 17. Vargas. So Calderon does not have the most title defenses out of all the Puerto Ricans he shares that with Tito. And, Tito has all win no draws so I would give that edge to Tito. So IMO Tito holds that record since it is all wins. I don't know man, is your opinion. But, I would have Torres, Vazquez, DeJesus, Camacho Cotto>Calderon maybe even DeLeon. So Calderon probably wouldn't have made my top 10. But, that is my list. Your list is still pretty good. Great pre. Sorry I can't give you green. It always say I must spread it around. I must not be greenk'ing people enough. hehehe.

18 defenses, and yes both weight clases!! Wilfredo is my #11, esteban De Jesus, could be in it too!!! I agree with Tesla that both Vazquez and DeJesus are in there and probably>Calderon TBH.... But, anyways counting both weight-class :thumbsdow: But, even if you do he only has 17 just like Tito if you count Tito both weight-classes. I had to go look this up. These are his title defenses 1. Lorenzo Trejo 2. Alex Sanchez 3. Roberto Levya 4. Carlos Fajardo 5. Noel Tunacao 6. Gerardo Verde 7. Daniel Reyes 8. Isaac Bustos 9. Miguel Tellez 10. Jose Luis Varela 11. Ronald Barrera 12. Juan Esquer 13. Nelson Dieppa 14. Hugo Cazares 15. Rodel Mayol 16. Rodel Mayol 17. Jesus Irrebe And, one of those title defenses was a draw. I guess you can count that as a successful title defense. But, anyways who am I missing who is the 18th? Tito don't have to look this up and is not in order. But, I know every single title defense he has. And, he did it with no draws all of them were wins. 1. Garcia 2. Stephens 3. Camacho 4. Carr 5. Campas 6. Pendleton 7. Zulu 8. Lueshing 9. Lovato 10. Barnes 11. Moore 12. Turner 13. Whitaker 14. Pineda 15. Oscar 16. Thiam 17. Vargas. So Calderon does not have the most title defenses out of all the Puerto Ricans he shares that with Tito. And, Tito has all win no draws so I would give that edge to Tito. So IMO Tito holds that record since it is all wins. I don't know man, is your opinion. But, I would have Torres, Vazquez, DeJesus, Camacho Cotto>Calderon maybe even DeLeon. So Calderon probably wouldn't have made my top 10. But, that is my list. Your list is still pretty good.

Oh well. It's your personal list. No problems. I just thought that personally I would move those 2 ahead of ivan and miguel. it's too early to gauge at this point for both fighters. just beating duran for de jesus was like la motta to SRR for me. Lolz. Albeit Duran was still relatively approaching prime when he met de jesus the first time. Vasquez -- 3 weight champion. and a road warrior at that. I forgot how many years he fought overseas but ironically lost a razor thin decision when he finally went back to fight in PR :). Good stuff mate. Like you said it about opinions, I surely can apreciate yours!

El C@cique@PR, can you do a top 10 for the following countries: Cambodia India Mongolia North Korea Laos Iran Sweden Turkmenistan Palestine Thanks in advance homie! ^^^^^:rofl: :rofl: that's funny shit comrade. :lol1:

18 defenses, and yes both weight clases!! Wilfredo is my #11, esteban De Jesus, could be in it too!!! Oh well. It's your personal list. No problems. I just thought that personally I would move those 2 ahead of ivan and miguel. it's too early to gauge at this point for both fighters. just beating duran for de jesus was like la motta to SRR for me. Lolz. Albeit Duran was still relatively approaching prime when he met de jesus the first time. Vasquez -- 3 weight champion. and a road warrior at that. I forgot how many years he fought overseas but ironically lost a razor thin decision when he finally went back to fight in PR :).

El C@cique@PR, can you do a top 10 for the following countries: Cambodia India Mongolia North Korea Laos Iran Sweden Turkmenistan Palestine Thanks in advance homie! Fukk off :rofl::rofl::rofl: Calderon over Camacho?? ????????????????

Calderon over Camacho??

How many title defenses does he have? Are you counting both weight-classed together? 18 defenses, and yes both weight clases!! esteban de jesus? and another wilfredo ... vazquez? Wilfredo is my #11, esteban De Jesus, could be in it too!!!