This argument is so dipped in shit that I don't understand how racism like this can be allowed on this forum. So what exactly has been stopping these so called Slick American Brothas from being good enough to challange Pacman when he was fighting at 135 pounds or below? Is their some sort of rule in boxing where Black Boxers can't fight at a weight classes under 140 pounds? Do the smallest black people in the world only weigh 140 pounds? Seriously explain this to me and don't mention Zahir Raheem a limited fighter who ended up getting schooled by another limited fighter named Arcalino Fritas.
Seriously saying that Black fighters are the most dominent Boxers in the world is as dumb as saying that white fighters are the best boxers in the world. Fuking ignorent racist pricks!!!
Pls do a research 1st before uttering bull shits. Manny Pacquiao wasnt promoted by TOP RANK until the 3rd Morales fight.
Learn how to read and think! ??? You're saying this to yourself right?
I didn't include when he was promoted by Murad Muhammad because he was not on the level he is now. I was not saying Pac has been promoted his whole career by top rank. While the sentence may not be clear it is meant to suggest two things.
One, that Manny has only had two bad performances in his last 15 fights. Those were against good boxers. Then two, that top rank has not matched him against a certaion type of fighter as he has made his climb to p4p #1. I will make that more clear next time.
The only "black slick" fighter you could argue here is Joan Guzman. Noone else. And don't forget that it was only after post-JMM that Guzman became the clear contender to Pac's reign at SFW. I don't know how many years Guzman is a champion at SFW but i guess it ws pretty recent. All the other's don't hold any water.
Oh yeah
thanks for the info
and if he would have fought frietas we all know now that pack would have kiled him but at that time it was a better fight or joel
you have to admit he went for the easier fight
Please.....Freitas was beaten by Baby Bull. Diaz almost unified the LW division beofre losing to Campbell.
Pac-JMM 2 was Feb if my memory was right. The Pac-DD fight was a done deal. Campbell won the three belt from Baby Bull in March. I think the Pac-DD fight was in May. So at the time the Diaz-pacquiao was made Campbell wasn't even the champ. After the May fight Oscar came knocking at the door since the "slickest fighter of all" refused to rematch the Zoombie Oscar at 147 who hasnt fought at that weight for 7 years right?
This argument is so dipped in shit that I don't understand how racism like this can be allowed on this forum. So what exactly has been stopping these so called Slick American Brothas from being good enough to challange Pacman when he was fighting at 135 pounds or below? Is their some sort of rule in boxing where Black Boxers can't fight at a weight classes under 140 pounds? Do the smallest black people in the world only weigh 140 pounds? Seriously explain this to me and don't mention Zahir Raheem a limited fighter who ended up getting schooled by another limited fighter named Arcalino Fritas.
Seriously saying that Black fighters are the most dominent Boxers in the world is as dumb as saying that white fighters are the best boxers in the world. Fuking ignorent racist pricks!!!
Who is that guy? :lol1: And what makes Raheem and Popo Freitas "limited"? And how did Popo "school" Raheem when he won a SD?
the one i fault him for not fighting is zahir raheem after raheem destroys morales. instead he chose to fight a washed up morales. there really isnt any excuse for tht if u ask me.
This is so so hilarious. You are basing this because he beat Erik Morales in which you just said was washed up. So if Manny beats zahir raheem then you would say, what did zahir raheem ever do except beat up a washed up Erik Morales.
Second point, Morales fought zahir raheem in 2005 at 135. Manny did not move up to 135 until 2008.
Thirdly, Besides beating, like you said, a washed up Morales, who else did he beat after that that made him the acclaimed boxer that Manny had to fight him? As stated already, he lost in his next fight.
As for Morales, in the second fight. He was beating Manny by 3 rounds according to HBO scorecard and they were stating that Morales was too big for Manny and that Manny should go back down to 126 (not move up to 135). Well, Manny changed everyone's mind since he came back to beat Morales who looked good to everyone until Manny rocked him several times.
Still, this is besides the point.
Manny has called out Floyd for many months now and they will probably fight each other. So this theory of not wanting to fight a black slick guy is kind of down the tubes.
Thank U Castor Troy, btw Not 1 Black American on that resume, in case Pac didn't know there is a proud boxing tradition in Black America, he should stop avoiding that tradition, dont u agree?
To the IDIOTS in this thread :
1. Lehlo Ledwabba is darker and slicker than both Timothy Bradley and Nate Campbell.
"Ledwabba is a Master Boxer" - George Foreman
2. Juan Manuel Marquez is a slick boxer. Him throwing enough punches doesnt make him a non-slick boxer.
3. Agapito Sanchez ( RIP ) is as BLACK as anybody can get.
4. Chatchai Sasakul is a SLICK SLICK- BOXER!!!
5. Jorge Julio is a BLACK Fighter.
6. Joshua Clottey is a BLACK Fighter whose STYLE is defense 1st.
*ALL FACTS
Since I posted this in another thread let me respond.
Top Rank are great matchmakers. Their matchmaker, Bob Goodman (i believe) just got elected to the HOF. Top Rank, not me, not floyd, not pistol whip, not anyone, has chosen not to match Manny against a certain type of fighter. In this case its "slick" boxers.
As he does, pistol whip exaggerates a point when making a post. No one on this site can say I psoted "Black fighters are the most dominent Boxers in the world is as dumb as saying that white fighters are the best boxers in the world."
Slick boxers have been a problem for pucnhers/brawlers historically. Yes, in some cases the puncher has won. Duran SRL 1, Chavez Taylor. Instead of ranting in posts, why not question top ranks motives.
In Manny's case in his last 15 fights he has had the most problems with Morales (when he boxed) and JMM. Again, don't get mad at me for pointing out the truth about how top ranked has matched their top earner. That doesn't make anyone a racist.
Learn how to read and think!
Pls do a research 1st before uttering bull shits. Manny Pacquiao wasnt promoted by TOP RANK until the 3rd Morales fight.
Learn how to read and think! ??? You're saying this to yourself right?
Pac has never fought an African American and there isn't anything u tards can say to cover up this fact. WE KNOW WHY your fighter of the decade doesn't fight Black Americans. Manny Dempsey
pacquiao ducked nate campbell to fight hatton , cotto and clottey!
styles makes fights. and nate campbell bring some slickness that would surely defeat the hype job.
:)
the one i fault him for not fighting is zahir raheem after raheem destroys morales. instead he chose to fight a washed up morales. there really isnt any excuse for tht if u ask me.
I would have hated it if Pac fought Raheem. This is of course just my personal preference as looking at EM-AR fight, the slipping, the kneeling, the flashy nothing was too much for me to call that boxing. :) I'm not interested then of pac-raheem fight after that display. IMO, Raheem got the win but don't think he gained any fans.
Beating David Diaz at 135 and his only fight at 135 called Domination
hahah
man you have a lot to learn
Can anyone at 135 beat Pac..
I dont think so...
Can anyone tell me where are the "slick black fighters" of the same weight classes that Pacquiao has dominated? Very few...
derrick gainer ftw! :headbang:
All slick means is just being flashy thats it.
I concur. What should have been the topic was WHO ELSE WAS LEFT? Pacquiao kept on going up the weight ladder...he is seeking for bigger and greater opponents.
Timing is also the main issue.
the one i fault him for not fighting is zahir raheem after raheem destroys morales. instead he chose to fight a washed up morales. there really isnt any excuse for tht if u ask me.
Yeah especially since Raheem went onto this amazing HOF career oh wait he didn't he lost to Arcalino Fritas in his next fight and disapeared from the face of the earth.
http://thecbook.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/picard-facepalm.jpg
Can anyone tell me where are the "slick black fighters" of the same weight classes that Pacquiao has dominated? Very few...
the one i fault him for not fighting is zahir raheem after raheem destroys morales. instead he chose to fight a washed up morales. there really isnt any excuse for tht if u ask me.
Can anyone tell me where are the "slick black fighters" of the same weight classes that Pacquiao has dominated? Very few...
All slick means is just being flashy thats it.
only Paulie is or was considered slick out of all those fighters, he wasn't as slick against Amir because Amir did a great job neutralizing Paulie with that Jab
Nate Campbell can slip punches especially when he fights you inside but he is not extremely slick, the rest are not slick at all, Mosley and slick should never been used in the same sentence, Mosley has nice head movements but he doesn't slip punches at all he takes more punches then he slips them, same for Berto who many say reminds them of a young Mosley, he is not slick at all and his defense is suspect, and Judah doesn't have much slickness or defense so against that shows you that "Slick does not mean Black"
I never saw any slickness in Paulie against Ngoudjou, Ndou, Cotto, Hatton, or even in the first Diaz fight did I saw wow Malignaggi is so slick. I thought he outboxed Juan Diaz in the first fight. But, I didn't see any "slickness from him. He uses his legs but he gets hit way too much for me to call him slick.