Manny Pacquiao Is in Trouble Once the Hype Vanishes

When I said common sense, I'm speaking in terms of skill set. Take away the names, take away the personality, and just base it off of what you know about boxing and what you deem as distinguishable advantages, and I'm sure most people would walk away with the thought that Floyd's skill set is better than Manny's. This isn't based off of a fight that hasn't taken place. Just strictly off of what I know about boxing. Which just happen to be my personal opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. And regards to Manny moving up in weight being his crowning jewel, I give him props on that. But it's limited. We're in an era where guys are walking around at 180 but fighting at 140. It's known that Pac didn't stay where he was because he could no longer make the weight. He was just another guy walking around 20 pounds more than his fighting weight at the time he was fighting in the lower weights. I'm not too impressed with him now fighting guys at his regular weight. This is where he belongs. I cringe when people are still playing the little guy card with Manny. Im no expert on weight. But i dont believe what Pac has done by moving up and KOing champions can be done by just anyone if they chose to. A fighter cant boil his weight down to its minimum and still be able to fight for 12 rounds. U said urself Oscar was weight drained when they fought. Yet Pac was able to boil down and be a power house at lower weight divisions, now hes doing it at 147. Who else can do that? Thats why people think he must be on drugs, because no one else seems capable of doing what he has done. He has moved up so many weights yet is still a 3 minute, 12 round fighter, with speed and power. No hypejob.

Article from bleacherreport.......don't agree with about 50% of it (he calls Raheem, Rahman??)....but he brings up some good points about PAc @ the lower weights. Manny Pacquiao Is in Trouble Once the Hype Vanishes by CJ James This is how boxing works. If you have a lot of fans, who buy a lot of magazines, and visit a lot of web sites, then the media just spends most of their time telling you how great he is. Please come back tomorrow. You have entire web sites these days, like the Examiner.com, which are only in business as they've devoted their entire editorial to sucking the collective balls of Asia. Even this site has a policy of promoting Pacquiao articles in this section. In the grand pursuit of reads. The problem being, once you retire, and the bandwagon jumpers find another knock-out merchant to follow, you lose the hype, media cheerleading, and have to rely on what's actually on your resume. Pacquiao reminds me of Mike Tyson, in regards to legacy. We had 70 percent of the planet trying to ram "Mike is the greatest Heavyweight of all time" down our throats in the 1980s and early 1990s. The media. The fans. Everyone. Only those who were real students of the sport, were thinking "yeah, but he's never boxed Holyfield or Lewis yet, and will probably lose to both." Now he's retired and the band-wagoners are gone, and the media are no longer in love with him, it's just us and his resume. And it ain't too pretty. Honestly. I scratch my head reading coverage of Pacquiao. It's Tyson all over again. Journalists with a gun to their head, chasing the all important fan reads. When you actually look at the guy's career, I can almost guarantee that the guy will lose at least 30 places on an All Time Great list as soon as he retires, and the casual fans move on to the next hero. Seriously. These things happen. He won the WBC flyweight title. Made one defence, and then lost it to Singsurat. Did he go for a re-match? No, he just ducked the guy, and ran away. He won the IBF Super-Bantamweight title, made one defense, and then lost again. I say lost, he was actually given one of the more sickeningly corrupt decisions I've ever seen in boxing. He was actually down on all three cards at round five, with his face completely battered from numerous bombs he'd taken. The referee suddenly decides to deduct Sanchez TWO points in two consecutive rounds, bringing Pacquiao level. He then decides to stop it on cuts immediately, and announces it a draw. He beats Barrera. I have no qualms about this bout. It was a good win. In his very next bout, he faces Marquez. You won't find a pundit or TV company in the world who didn't give that bout to Marquez by at least two rounds. Most had him four rounds up. Guess what. Another corrupt draw saves Pacquiao. So let's tally up the career so far. Every single title he was won so far, he's either lost it in the very next defense or managed to hang on to it by being given a corrupt draw. So Manny has managed to hold on to his title, by an Arum-decision, when he lost the bout by a long way. It doesn't matter, because he gets schooled again two fights later by Morales and loses it again anyway! Honestly. Manny Pacquiao's career up until 2006 was just losing. Well, either losing to every top fighter he faced, or getting corrupt draws to save him. So please, shut up about this "seven weight world champion" like he was a dominant fighter at the lower weights. So what happens after he's been schooled two times in his last three fights, against Marquez and Morales? Well he refuses to re-match Marquez. He actually refuses to re-match Marquez for five years after the draw, as he knows the only chance he has is if the guy's 34 years old, and has lost a bit. Do you get that? After the Marquez draw he wouldn't face him again for five years. Imagine if Mayweather did that after the questionable Castillo win? Pacquiao originally doesn't want to re-match Morales either, and doesn't. Until the guy loses to journeyman Zaheer Rahman, by a long way. So he re-matches an old Morales, coming off his big loss, and wins. Just look at the score cards by the way. Rahman beat Morales by on average, six rounds, on the score cards. On one card he won by eight. When the bout was stopped, Manny was only two rounds ahead of Morales. What a legendary win. Doing worse than Zaheer Rahman. Marquez, still chasing his rematch after three years, gets snubbed again for Morales. A guy who'd lost three of his last four fights, and who was obviously shot. That doesn't matter. Manny loves facing old names, coming off of losses. Six months after Pacquiao beat him, the guy lost to David Diaz...Manny's wins over Morales are sandwiched in between the guy losing to Zaheer Rahman and David Diaz. Has to tell you everything about that. Just facing and old, shot name. Next bout, an old shot Barrera has just been schooled by Marquez. Marquez won every round on one card. So I'm guessing Pacquiao takes on Marquez? Hell no! Barreras is an old, shot name, coming off a huge loss. Let's face him instead. Marquez is still 33. He still might be dangerous. Finally, five years after the original controversial draw, Pacquiao gives Marquez a rematch. Even though the guy has been divisional No. 2, and PFP top 10 for at least three years behind you. What happens? He gets an even more corrupt decision to hang on to his belts. Does he re-match this one immediately? Hell no, he runs away again! Honestly. Manny Pacquiao only faced four elite opponents at the lower weights. As in, peak-ish guys, who hadn't just been beaten by a lesser fighter. Morales (first)—he lost Marquez (first)—he lost Barrera (first)—he won Marquez (second)—he lost. He ducked re-matches against almost all of the guys he lost to at the lower weights. Including Marquez. After being whupped by Marquez, Manny had no love. He was well exposed as a tough brawler, who came unstuck against quality, technical counter punchers. So what did his people do? They do as all losing fighters do. Just move divisions, and hand pick more beatable opponents, to re-build the reputation. First lightweight, where the PFP No. 2 criminally hand picks the worst world champion in the division. He then moves to 147, and faces a guy who hadn't even boxed there for 11 years, in a shot, Oscar de la Hoya. The Oscar de la Hoya who nearly got knocked out by Steve Forbes in his warmup for God's sake! Was facing an old, shot guy, who hadn't made weight below 154 in 11 years easy enough? Hell no. Let's put in his contract that Oscar will have to pay fines for every pound he enters the ring over 147 as well. Make the guy have to box at the exact same weight as Pacquiao. Oscar's last in ring weight before Pacquiao = 168 pounds. In ring versus Pacquiao = 147 pounds! Next, hand picking Ricky Hatton over guys like Mosley, Williams, Bradley, and Marquez b because the guy was old, shot, and coming off a big loss. That and the fact that he nearly got knocked out in his bout with Juan Lazcano (a Mayweather sparring partner). Another shot name, coming off a loss, hand picked for his style. Next, exactly the same. An old, brawler, in Cotto, coming off a big loss. And he took this fight over the PFP No. 3 Shane Mosley!? Shane turned up at the guy's gym to get the fight. He said he'd box for 20 percent to make the bout happen. The biggest bout in boxing at the time. Roach hand picks Cotto as, in his words: "It would be a boring fight with Mosley. He runs. Cotto comes to fight." Translated, Shane's too slick for Pacquiao, and like Marquez, may beat him. Let's just look at the facts. Pacquiao didn't dominate at any lower weight. He lost at most of them. I'd argue that he wasn't even the best 130 fighter when he was there. He either lost, or got very lucky in at least 50 percent of his big bouts there. All he's done since being taken to school by Marquez, is face easier opponents. Hand picked brawlers, without the skill or speed to cause him problems. Marquez. Ducked Mosley. Ducked Williams. No Bradley. No Mayweather. He pulled out of it, and fought Clottey instead. Nearly all of Pacquiao's big wins are against old, shot names, coming off of losses. Guys who have already lost to Grade B opposition. As soon as the bandwagon jumpers have moved on to their next guy, as soon as Pacquiao retires or loses, it will just be him, and his lousy resume. It could be said both ways bro!...I can't believe you wasted your time typing this bull***t up!!:omfg:

When I said common sense, I'm speaking in terms of skill set. Take away the names, take away the personality, and just base it off of what you know about boxing and what you deem as distinguishable advantages, and I'm sure most people would walk away with the thought that Floyd's skill set is better than Manny's. This isn't based off of a fight that hasn't taken place. Just strictly off of what I know about boxing. Which just happen to be my personal opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. And regards to Manny moving up in weight being his crowning jewel, I give him props on that. But it's limited. We're in an era where guys are walking around at 180 but fighting at 140. It's known that Pac didn't stay where he was because he could no longer make the weight. He was just another guy walking around 20 pounds more than his fighting weight at the time he was fighting in the lower weights. I'm not too impressed with him now fighting guys at his regular weight. This is where he belongs. I cringe when people are still playing the little guy card with Manny. Then you're saying Mayweather walks around near 200 lbs. I think that's insane. He would be a fatass if that were true.

When I said common sense, I'm speaking in terms of skill set. Take away the names, take away the personality, and just base it off of what you know about boxing and what you deem as distinguishable advantages, and I'm sure most people would walk away with the thought that Floyd's skill set is better than Manny's. This isn't based off of a fight that hasn't taken place. Just strictly off of what I know about boxing. Which just happen to be my personal opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. And regards to Manny moving up in weight being his crowning jewel, I give him props on that. But it's limited. We're in an era where guys are walking around at 180 but fighting at 140. It's known that Pac didn't stay where he was because he could no longer make the weight. He was just another guy walking around 20 pounds more than his fighting weight at the time he was fighting in the lower weights. I'm not too impressed with him now fighting guys at his regular weight. This is where he belongs. I cringe when people are still playing the little guy card with Manny. yeah, i'm not impressed either, i have always expected pac to move up all the way up to welter even after watching the first MAB fight, nothing special there. you know what pac has to do to impress me? move up to middleweight and start grabbing belts there, then maybe i can be sort of impressed... ... and i'll just start calling him more of a roider...

Pac and Floyd havent fought, so how can u say its common sense he is a hypejob? Based on ur prediction of a fight which hasnt happened? Thats not common sense. I also believe Floyd could shut out Manny, but that doesnt mean he is hype. Im basing that on his achievements so far in his career to date. IMO Over rated is when a fighter has genuine success, but is believed to be greater than his achievements show. Over hyped is the same. But hype job, is when they are nothing but hype. Not great at all. Nothing special. Very few can do what Pac has done. If he is simply fighting weak opponents in many weight divisions, why arent loads of fighters doing that? Because they cant. Therefore Pac is special. Thats all im arguing. Not that Pac is an ATG, fighter of the decade, better than Floyd or whatever. But that when compared to almost every other fighter, is indeed special. When I said common sense, I'm speaking in terms of skill set. Take away the names, take away the personality, and just base it off of what you know about boxing and what you deem as distinguishable advantages, and I'm sure most people would walk away with the thought that Floyd's skill set is better than Manny's. This isn't based off of a fight that hasn't taken place. Just strictly off of what I know about boxing. Which just happen to be my personal opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. And regards to Manny moving up in weight being his crowning jewel, I give him props on that. But it's limited. We're in an era where guys are walking around at 180 but fighting at 140. It's known that Pac didn't stay where he was because he could no longer make the weight. He was just another guy walking around 20 pounds more than his fighting weight at the time he was fighting in the lower weights. I'm not too impressed with him now fighting guys at his regular weight. This is where he belongs. I cringe when people are still playing the little guy card with Manny.

You can't take this guy seriously unless you hate Manny. Here is pretty much one of the first sentences that this writer wrote "sucking the collective balls of Asia" This writer is so articulate. I think this guy is a hype job that is craving for readers to read his article. He knows there are Pac haters such as him, who would do what the TS did. You don't even need to read between the lines. Hate is written all over this article. and to try to compare Tyson who spiraled downwards after about 24 years old while Manny kept on growing and getting better to this very day, at the age of 31 years old. Even the Pac haters are saying, "how can Manny get to be even better as he climbs the divisions. That's unheard of." There is no downward spiral that happened to Manny. He kept climbing and climbing.

Honestly Pac's biggest wins are Cotto, ODLH and Hatton. He blew up after beating ODLH and Hatton just like Floyd did. In the eyes of the boxing media and most fans these are the biggest names on his resume. He didn't blow up after beating Morales and Barrera and his fights with JMM. Floyd also beat Hatton and ODLH. He just beat better versions of both. He also beat SSM which matches (but most likely surpasses) Pac's win over Cotto given the circumstances of both wins. So TBH once the boxing media get off the high they are on...... what has Pac really done that places his legacy above Floyd's?? For arguments sake let's say Pac and Floyd don't fight. 10 years from now when OST is the norm in boxing for all championship fights people are going to wonder why Pac was making such a fuss about it 10 years ago. If these 2 don't fight in the fulllness of time i am of the view that Floyd's legacy will shine brighter......his dominance has been challenged only once and both men's stardom is owed to victories over common opponents of which the circumstances point to Floyd's being more impressive. um he was ranked top 3 p4p if not 1 after the Marquez, MAB and Morales fights.. and how did Floyd beat a better version of Hatton ...? LMAO..

It looks like someone forgot to tell the person who wrote the article that Pacquiao isn't planning on fighting for that much longer. In fact, Floyd may very well be his last fight.

Floyd fans look at my sig and compare it to Floyd or better else put something on the question marks. After Floyd and Pac retire who do you think will be remembered honestly in your opinion? Honestly Pac's biggest wins are Cotto, ODLH and Hatton. He blew up after beating ODLH and Hatton just like Floyd did. In the eyes of the boxing media and most fans these are the biggest names on his resume. He didn't blow up after beating Morales and Barrera and his fights with JMM. Floyd also beat Hatton and ODLH. He just beat better versions of both. He also beat SSM which matches (but most likely surpasses) Pac's win over Cotto given the circumstances of both wins. So TBH once the boxing media get off the high they are on...... what has Pac really done that places his legacy above Floyd's?? For arguments sake let's say Pac and Floyd don't fight. 10 years from now when OST is the norm in boxing for all championship fights people are going to wonder why Pac was making such a fuss about it 10 years ago. If these 2 don't fight in the fulllness of time i am of the view that Floyd's legacy will shine brighter......his dominance has been challenged only once and both men's stardom is owed to victories over common opponents of which the circumstances point to Floyd's being more impressive.

Floyd fans look at my sig and compare it to Floyd or better else put something on the question marks. After Floyd and Pac retire who do you think will be remembered honestly in your opinion?

Haha who reads his stuff? I see better formed opinions in the forums. His whole agenda was to condemn Pacquiao whom he clearly dislikes and trash a similar site in Examiner. What's sad is that there are good writers who start off online and then branch out as the opportunities open up. When people see stuff like this they group all internet writers together. Sadly most of the stuff written about these two guys is of terrible quality. Take Boxing News 24 for example, most of their articles read like nine year olds wrote them. Internet sites rely on traffic to stay alive.......hence the rabid nuthugging of both fan bases.

despite being filipino, floyd is my idol in the ring str8 up. regarding this fighter of the decade award, to me there's no doubt that BWAA has picked the right person. what pac accomplished for his size is pure magic. win or loose vs floyd, it doesn't change what he has already accomplished. This is a good post.....

I was kidding. I know that we are most likely not related, that doesn't mean you didn't live in Denver...Or does your 303 mean something else?

Who was this article written by M.I.C.? Lol I can'ts stand haters, you can do this to almost everyone's resume. Nit pick at this and that to make the fighter look bad. Oh well, hate is a sign of success. Tell it like it is Skills!!! Funny how some Floyd fans took it as gospel (not really suprised at the ones that did)...

Who was this article written by M.I.C.? Lol I can'ts stand haters, you can do this to almost everyone's resume. Nit pick at this and that to make the fighter look bad. Oh well, hate is a sign of success.

303, are we distant cousins from the 303-family tree? Maybe so. I have seen you around for a while now, but have maybe had 2 or 3 debates with you. I live in the ParkHill area of Denver.

I don't like hatchet pieces like this anymore. I used to and found them entertaining but not anymore. This same style of article writing can be done with Mayweather, as some do. And that's purposely put a negative spin on his entire career. Those he beat weren't at their prime and those he had close fights with actually beat him (castillo). It's a circle jerk and if you actually have gotten into a 20-post exchange with a rigid poster about this, you can watch your IQ drop lower and lower. I testify to this. That is why this topic almost made me sick...Floyd fans come in and support almost every word, yet the same can be done to Floyd. This article was pure hate! Nothing more.

I cant talk about all of them but even pac fans dont deny pac was semi-ducking marquez after their first fight. No one can say he is ducking him now because he has moved on to bigger and better things. Sorry bro...But JMM turned down the rematch (then lost to john) , not Pac...

what for? it won't mean shiet. martinez at 154 would be very significant considering he is the best at 154 but martinez at 160 could be an extraordinary achievement if floyd really wants to put his balls on the table.

forbes almost knocked out delahoya? damn i missed that punch.