fernando vargas a talented fighter wasited

I will argue this up and down with anyone but Vargas was never shot. I mean that is the popular/naive thing to say and even commentators and boxing experts fall into this line of thinking but here is the truth: Vargas wasn't shot, he just lacked discipline and dedication towards the end. This is a re-occurring theme in all sports FWIW, and basically the way you can tell in boxing is what they look like in between fights. Great boxers take the sport serious and train year round (basically dedicate a majority of their life to the sport). Guys like Shane, Floyd, Manny, Vitali, Wlad, Roy, B-hop (I could go on but I will stop), are always in good shape even when they aren't fighting. Just look at them when they don't have dates. They still look fighting ready from a physical perspective and that shows their dedication to the sport. On the flip slide, look at guys like Hatton, Arreola, Vargas and others. Those guys like to party and have a good time when they aren't fighting. That is cool, but you can clearly tell they don't take the sport serious and it shows by how sloppy looking they look when they aren't scheduled for fights. With that said, and tying it back to Vargas, When you are younger you metabolism is pretty high and its easier to make weight and stay in shape. As he got older his bad habit caught up to him and combined with his lack of interest and dedication, he digressed as a fighter. Fluctuating up in weight like that affected his chin and also he overall fire was no longer there. So in conclusion, the guy was never shot, just lost his fire and the fights in the latter part of his career was a reflection of that. It's not enough to be talented/skilled but you have to have the matching work ethic. Guys like Judah fall in this trap and when you get to a certain level in the game, your hard work and dedication take over. It's either sink or swim, and unfortunately Vargas drowned to the tune of getting embarrassed and having his career end shorter than it should have. Well said.

Oxnard is a place sandwiched by 2 naval base, a beach, some malls, and the rest are strawberry fields. It’s easy to get bored. Like any other kids Fernando surrounds himself with youngster that enjoys staying late and at one time same friends drove north to Santa Barbara to beat up another young punk. This occurred while he was a champ. This type of association could indicate maturity and poor dedication to the rigors of boxing. His early performance aspiring for the olympics showed an average talent that requires more molding. True that he went up high becoming a champ but it did not last long. More dedication and discipline could have made a difference. This was pointed out earlier.

Vargas was a cheater. **** em.

his talent is around his waist................

I will argue this up and down with anyone but Vargas was never shot. I mean that is the popular/naive thing to say and even commentators and boxing experts fall into this line of thinking but here is the truth: Vargas wasn't shot, he just lacked discipline and dedication towards the end. This is a re-occurring theme in all sports FWIW, and basically the way you can tell in boxing is what they look like in between fights. Great boxers take the sport serious and train year round (basically dedicate a majority of their life to the sport). Guys like Shane, Floyd, Manny, Vitali, Wlad, Roy, B-hop (I could go on but I will stop), are always in good shape even when they aren't fighting. Just look at them when they don't have dates. They still look fighting ready from a physical perspective and that shows their dedication to the sport. On the flip slide, look at guys like Hatton, Arreola, Vargas and others. Those guys like to party and have a good time when they aren't fighting. That is cool, but you can clearly tell they don't take the sport serious and it shows by how sloppy looking they look when they aren't scheduled for fights. With that said, and tying it back to Vargas, When you are younger you metabolism is pretty high and its easier to make weight and stay in shape. As he got older his bad habit caught up to him and combined with his lack of interest and dedication, he digressed as a fighter. Fluctuating up in weight like that affected his chin and also he overall fire was no longer there. So in conclusion, the guy was never shot, just lost his fire and the fights in the latter part of his career was a reflection of that. It's not enough to be talented/skilled but you have to have the matching work ethic. Guys like Judah fall in this trap and when you get to a certain level in the game, your hard work and dedication take over. It's either sink or swim, and unfortunately Vargas drowned to the tune of getting embarrassed and having his career end shorter than it should have. Some good points I watched the Tito fight and i do remember thinking, at the time, this was to big a step up for such a young guy. He looked fantastic( i dont use that word lightly) for the first several rounds. I think Tito was just to wiley for the young pup. I remember reading when Gene Tunney fought Harry Greb , for the first time, he had no answer for the ring experience of Greb. This is loose comparison but when age is not a factor experience rules the day. What Vargas did later in his career i can not answer to. Whether he trained like he should have i dont know. I can say , at least it was my impression, he was in way over his head if you compare ring savvy for that stage in his career. I did that fight change his career? In my mind it did. If i keep my comparison going between Tunney and Vargas he should have been able to learn form the defeat. Tunney sure did. That is was separates the Greats from the Good.

One of the most mentally fragile fighters I have seen in rescent years. Anything can bring him to tears. His personality is not suited for boxing.

Damn I didn't know I typed that much...lol

I will argue this up and down with anyone but Vargas was never shot. I mean that is the popular/naive thing to say and even commentators and boxing experts fall into this line of thinking but here is the truth: Vargas wasn't shot, he just lacked discipline and dedication towards the end. This is a re-occurring theme in all sports FWIW, and basically the way you can tell in boxing is what they look like in between fights. Great boxers take the sport serious and train year round (basically dedicate a majority of their life to the sport). Guys like Shane, Floyd, Manny, Vitali, Wlad, Roy, B-hop (I could go on but I will stop), are always in good shape even when they aren't fighting. Just look at them when they don't have dates. They still look fighting ready from a physical perspective and that shows their dedication to the sport. On the flip slide, look at guys like Hatton, Arreola, Vargas and others. Those guys like to party and have a good time when they aren't fighting. That is cool, but you can clearly tell they don't take the sport serious and it shows by how sloppy looking they look when they aren't scheduled for fights. With that said, and tying it back to Vargas, When you are younger you metabolism is pretty high and its easier to make weight and stay in shape. As he got older his bad habit caught up to him and combined with his lack of interest and dedication, he digressed as a fighter. Fluctuating up in weight like that affected his chin and also he overall fire was no longer there. So in conclusion, the guy was never shot, just lost his fire and the fights in the latter part of his career was a reflection of that. It's not enough to be talented/skilled but you have to have the matching work ethic. Guys like Judah fall in this trap and when you get to a certain level in the game, your hard work and dedication take over. It's either sink or swim, and unfortunately Vargas drowned to the tune of getting embarrassed and having his career end shorter than it should have.

People like to say Vargas was rushed, but when you look at his amatuer career and his struggle with making weight, you have to figure his team did the right thing.

lampley said his promoters wnated to get everything they could out of him before he got into so much trouble

He beat good to great fighters such as Ike Quartey and WInky Wright