If Floyd really believes Manny is using PEDS ....

why don't floyd or any of pacquiao's opponents ask for an investigation regarding pacquiao's ped use? i mean, they are so sure, and manny is guilty as ****, why not ask the commission to take a loook at pacquiao? answer: because the ped issue is bullcrap. it has no basis whatsoever, and the only thing that adds legitamcy to it is pacquiao refusing testing that is only being imposed by his opponent. flomos ride on the PED train to convince themselves that floyd is greater than pacquiao, despite what boxing writers say.

Why did Manny do testing for the first Morales fight? If this hurt Manny so bad, why go after Floyd and not the journalist who said their was an email sent by Pac's camp saying if they did fail a test to go ahead with the fight for the good of boxing, if that wasnt true he would have no doubt gone after the New York Times, a huge newspaper, but no he didnt, he didnt go after ESPN nor Teddy Roach for bringing it up either. You guys know the truth. I don't know anything about that email. All I know is that Floyd and company have accused Manny of taking PEDs. So Manny is now suing them. It makes sense to me. Not sure why it doesn't make sense to you. I'm guessing it will be dropped if the fight is on. The more you talk the more you are saying Manny is on PEDs. So that's why I asked my initial question.

Where the fuk do you get your info from to base your opinion on , do you actually look , Abraham for one has this testing in his contracts other fighters have asked for it , what uncharted waters its a procedure 1000s have undergone . What accusations has Floyd Jnr made , none , he has suspicions by his demand of advanced testing , he is the only one with a true right to ask for it . You know what blew the lid off this , Manny saying no to random testing and Manny changing his story with one feeble excuse after another thats a big no no as their is only one truth , everybody was blowing Snr off as a crack head until Manny came with the bullshit and walked out of the fight purely because of PEDS testing , no sportsman can do that without the public thinking him suspect especially when they get paid this kinda money they do only an idiot would think it above them to cheat , the rumors Manny is on gear was smoking around gyms and where there is smoke there is fire , Manny needed to just say OK with the testing and none of this would have happened . Hmmm, you are making it sound like it's the norm but it isn't. It's outside of the official rules and Manny has never done this. If Manny actually feels that it will affect him, whether it's psychological or physical then it makes sense for him to be reluctant to say yes to Floyd. Imagine experimenting with this on the most important fight of his career. Plus, the way Floyd and his camp came out with it was not right. They were all accusing of Manny taking PEDs. He could have used a different route. I and others have made several reasons as to why Manny was not too happy with giving in to Floyd's demands. You, just like some others, just bypass the reasons and just say he must be cheating. The only one of the two who has taken drugs before and on fight night was Floyd. I know that you don't care about that because it's Floyd. He can do anything he wants. You don't seem to have a problem that it would give Floyd an advantage that he would otherwise not have. You state a fight needs to be fair but I'd like to see you defend this. So, if you are sure about the cheating, you think Floyd should even bother with the fight?

It's uncharted for boxing. The present rules do not state this type of testing. That is what I meant. Floyd first accused Manny then told him to follow his way or the highway. Floyd and Manny could have handled things differently ..... without the accusations. Where the fuk do you get your info from to base your opinion on , do you actually look , Abraham for one has this testing in his contracts other fighters have asked for it , what uncharted waters its a procedure 1000s have undergone . What accusations has Floyd Jnr made , none , he has suspicions by his demand of advanced testing , he is the only one with a true right to ask for it . You know what blew the lid off this , Manny saying no to random testing and Manny changing his story with one feeble excuse after another thats a big no no as their is only one truth , everybody was blowing Snr off as a crack head until Manny came with the bullshit and walked out of the fight purely because of PEDS testing , no sportsman can do that without the public thinking him suspect especially when they get paid this kinda money they do only an idiot would think it above them to cheat , the rumors Manny is on gear was smoking around gyms and where there is smoke there is fire , Manny needed to just say OK with the testing and none of this would have happened .

Unchartered for who? Not for some, they do this in the Olympics, so since Floyd was in the Olympics perhaps he's done it before. Why did Manny do it for the first Morales fight, can you answer that. It's uncharted for boxing. The present rules do not state this type of testing. That is what I meant. Floyd first accused Manny then told him to follow his way or the highway. Floyd and Manny could have handled things differently ..... without the accusations.

Didn't even need to read anything beyond the thread title, Floyd does not really believe Manny is on any gear. It's all negotiation positioning I've said that too but it had been overblown to what it is now. That is, Manny has been accused by Floyd. That was a no no, if you ask me.

Wonder why nobody talks about the email anymore, it was reported on by a respectable journalist, I believe it existed/exists. Also if these allegations were against Floyd and he did the back and forth that Manny is doing, I was be questioning myself whether he's been on something. See thats the thing Ive seen between both fighter's fans, Floyd's are more rational and are fans of Manny, Manny's fans are not like this. Manny never said no to random urine testing and now we heard he brought down the blood testing to 14 days plus post fight testing. If you take into account these are called negotiations, you may finally accept the matter. We are on uncharted territory so you need to take this into account too. Plus if you can believe DelaHoya's latest statement, they are closer than they ever were to getting this going.

Let's take Floyd being right on this one. Let's take Floyd's fans being right on this one. That is, Manny is on PEDs. Hey, why else would you ask Manny to take this test, right? If Floyd, his dad, his camp and Golden Boys really believes Manny is using PEDS then why even take the fight? I mean, if Floyd doesn't take this fight straight up because he truly believes that Manny is on PEDs then why would he even want to fight Manny without PEDs? A Manny without PEDs then would not be Manny according to Floyd therefore this would be an embarrassing fight. A one sided fight GUARANTEED! That for me would be just like Floyd fighting a Marquez. A total fraud of a fight. So if true about the PEDs then Floyd may end up having that same type of advantage as when he fought Marquez. Who want that kind of a fight AGAIN? Floyd? Floyd's fans? If Floyd is right, this is a fraud of a fight. Then we should ask Floyd, if you believe that Manny is on PEDs, then why fight Manny without the PEDs? What will that win prove except for exposing Manny? What's the point of this fraud of a fight and how it will reflect your own legacy? Same question goes for you Floyd fans who think Manny is now a "suspicious" character or who is truly on PEDs. What is the point of being in these threads and asking for this fight if you think that Manny is on PEDs? If I was Floyd, if I was those type of Floyd fans that are convinced that Manny is using PEDs, then I would NOT be wanting to see a Floyd vs Manny fight UNLESS Manny is not using PEDs, period!!! So please answer: Should Floyd even be requesting this fight if he is so convinced that Manny is using PED? Yes.... Please explain No..... Please explain Didn't even need to read anything beyond the thread title, Floyd does not really believe Manny is on any gear. It's all negotiation positioning

You basically answered your own question, floyd didnt care about manny until people started saying that he was better than floyd. I answered this with the line that followed: "What's the point of this fraud of a fight and how it will reflect Floyd's own legacy?" Floyd has already a big list of suspect opponents and has been suspect in carefully selecting these opponents, so that he has the advantage going into the fight. If proven, then it would just be another in his long list. After November, Floyd may have just a few more good years left. If 100% convinced then he should move away from that and fight someone who isn't like that.........

But, I think we do understand Manny's side, remember, he's changed his story so many times, flip flopping saying different things, if he was so hurt as you say by the statements, he could have simply showed the world that he is indeed a marvel, the rare specimen, able to do the things he's done in the ring. Yet, what he has done is augment the cloud of suspicion thats continued to thicken over him. Everyone Ive seen accused of taking something, those who had excuses were always found out later, Pac may just get away with it though. Like I stated above, once you read and try to have an unbiased opinion of how Manny was put into a corner then you may think otherwise. One way to do it, is by having the same accusations against Floyd and Floyd would give his own version of the story. You may then have been more respectful about the comments brought forth. Manny was accused by Floyd of being on PEDs yet he wants the fight to go on. Manny got possibly rattled, so words came out. Some can be perceived to be right, some more wrong. Still, if Manny felt the way he did and is innocent ...... you need to remember that it was Floyd's accusation that created this hoopla. Also, Floyd always looks for an advantage. He may have also known, as we all do that, Manny doesn't like to have blood taken close to the fight.

Let's take Floyd being right on this one. Let's take Floyd's fans being right on this one. That is, Manny is on PEDs. Hey, why else would you ask Manny to take this test, right? If Floyd, his dad, his camp and Golden Boys really believes Manny is using PEDS then why even take the fight? I mean, if Floyd doesn't take this fight straight up because he truly believes that Manny is on PEDs then why would he even want to fight Manny without PEDs? A Manny without PEDs then would not be Manny according to Floyd therefore this would be an embarrassing fight. A one sided fight GUARANTEED! That for me would be just like Floyd fighting a Marquez. A total fraud of a fight. So if true about the PEDs then Floyd may end up having that same type of advantage as when he fought Marquez. Who want that kind of a fight AGAIN? Floyd? Floyd's fans? If Floyd is right, this is a fraud of a fight. Then we should ask Floyd, if you believe that Manny is on PEDs, then why fight Manny without the PEDs? What will that win prove except for exposing Manny? What's the point of this fraud of a fight and how it will reflect your own legacy? Same question goes for you Floyd fans who think Manny is now a "suspicious" character or who is truly on PEDs. What is the point of being in these threads and asking for this fight if you think that Manny is on PEDs? If I was Floyd, if I was those type of Floyd fans that are convinced that Manny is using PEDs, then I would NOT be wanting to see a Floyd vs Manny fight UNLESS Manny is not using PEDs, period!!! So please answer: Should Floyd even be requesting this fight if he is so convinced that Manny is using PED? Yes.... Please explain No..... Please explain You basically answered your own question, floyd didnt care about manny until people started saying that he was better than floyd.

But why would you need proof especially in this day and age to want someone to get tested. It should be the norm, should have been a long time ago. I didnt see this much commotion with him wanting Shane to take the test, I didnt hear a soul say Shane should tell Floyd to go jump off a bridge or anything, with Manny it seems his fans think he may be up to something, they are surprised themselves at the way he's acting, but since they cant stand Floyd they will back Manny no matter what. I answered it above. Shane had admitted to taking PEDs so Floyd asking for testing was sensible. I like Shane but I agree with that. See? From Floyd's camp including Golden Boy, they are accusing Manny even without an iota of proof. This can ruin/embarrass a fighter's image even if he is clean. Once it comes out in the open, sometimes you can't put it back in the bottle. Manny was peeved at the way Floyd accused him and he reacted. As I stated above, they could have done it differently. That is, agree to something like (JUST AN EXAMPLE) random urine testing and 18 days blood PLUS post fight testing of blood/urine and tell the media, we just want to prove to the world that we are clean and want to change the sport of boxing. Unfortunately, Floyd took another route and accused Manny. That's where the problem started. You need to see and understand both sides of the story

there was no proof on shane either Shane is a very different story since he admitted to using it. So once you had that hand in the cookie jar, you should be assessed differently. Manny has been tested but never tested positive for anything. Big difference!

Only because you answered what I meant wrong. Floyd believes Manny is on something, doesnt mean he's absolutely sure, he could be wrong, not like he's seen Manny shooting up, but he really really does believe he's been taking something. Well, you are getting closer to what I am saying. They are convinced that Manny's on PEDs but they naturally have no concrete proof.

I just created a thead that mysteriously disappeared. I had that happen a couple of times too ..... the other day, I mysteriously was aloud to edit someone's post ...... imagine someone with that power!!!

They did it all wrong back then in the negotiations. If they agreed to something and told the media, we BOTH want to show the world that we are BOTH clean ..... but it was an accusation against Manny. That brought this into the wrong direction. Now it's about if Manny is on PEDs. Point taken. see that was easy, and soon we may still have a fight to watch. I'm itching to book a flight to Vegas...

Wrong on many levels, no sense in responding really. I understand ... you just don't know how to answer, so you answer it the way you do....

I Read article with Paulie Magg and Citron were saying it back in 09'. Still nobody paid real attention till taks broke off in Dec... They did it all wrong back then in the negotiations. If they agreed to something and told the media, we BOTH want to show the world that we are BOTH clean ..... but it was an accusation against Manny. That brought this into the wrong direction. Now it's about if Manny is on PEDs.

Put Ali in Mayweather's shoes, he would say: "Good, I hope Pacquiao is on steroids, because if he aint, ill KO him in 1 round!" That's why Ali was Ali..... could you ever imagine Mayweather against an opponent like Foreman? At that time, Foreman was the most feared fighter in boxing. Foreman was big and had a heavy punch and was undefeated. Ali was a heavy underdog since Foreman destroyed Frazier and Norton, who both gave Ali problems (losses). Yet, Ali said no problem, lets go for it. There is no fighter like that for Mayweather yet he has been so cautious with who he picks ..... even against Manny, who is the smaller guy.

Manny did agree to some sort of testing. Urine was random too ..... unfortunately they were too far apart in the negotiations....... once Floyd put this on the table, people began discussing this..... not much if any before I Read article with Paulie Magg and Citron were saying it back in 09'. Still nobody paid real attention till taks broke off in Dec...