Why do "YOU" think Manny is "Using Something", aka PED?

How come I can't get a decent answer to a simple question. I asked this on a thread and no one can answer me. Does anybody else have an answer to this question Why do "YOU" think Manny is "Using Something", aka PED? I want to know "YOUR" personal opinion. Here's the thread. And my question is thread #182. The only answer I got, actually it's not even an answer, it's just a response is thread #218. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396867&page=19 Please no bull$hit reasoning. What do I mean. 1) Manny's head is too big. BULL$HIT 2) Manny's trainer trained others who is on PED. BULL$HIT. That got nothing to do with Manny. You mean to tell me that everyone that Freddie trains is on something. Again, BULL$HIT! 3) Manny won't take the test. BULL$HIT! That doesn't mean he is guilty. Manny has taken more blood test than Floyd has. What else do you want from Manny. You want him to take test in between rounds too. lmao. 4) Manny moved up in weight too fast. BULL$HIT! 5) Manny took blood test 1 day before his Morales fight why not now. BULL$HIT! Exactly my point. He has taken it in the past and he past it all, so why subject him again. Just because Mayweather says so. BULL$HIT! 6) Manny has only taken this or that type test. BULL$HIT! What else other type of test do you want him to take. You want him to take a test up his A$$ too. lmao. All I'm asking for guys is to give some or even a little bit of a "REAL" answer to why you think Manny is on PED. Even a small speck of sand worth of evidence that he really is on PED, and I WILL CHANGE MY CAP AND PUT ON A MAYWEATHERS CAP AND JUMP ON HIS BAND WAGON IMMEDIATELY. If you believe that he is on something, then you should have a good reason for it right. Not, just I believe he is on something but I don't have any proof of it. THAT'S JUST BIG TIME BULL$HIT! Then just STFU with this "Manny should just take the test." Just because. Why should he? I say prove that he is on something, then he'll bend down for you or Mayweather. If not then, STFU! It just doesn't make sense to me to hear people say "just take the test" if you really "DON'T" believe that he is on something. Again, "Why Should He?" He has taken hundreds of them, and passed it all. Are you guys forgetting about those previous test. If you do have a "REAL" answer why "YOU" think that Manny is using something, then I want to hear it. ANYONE?????????????????

Comments (20)

No u never thought of that until Floyd sr. brought that up....So u believe in crackheads and criminals now?? I dont really discuss boxing with retards!

15y ago

hanzoh74

Where's the proof Pac was weakened in the Morales fight? He was bouncing up and down as usual, no proof he was weakened but some say they believe him. where have u been?? Do ur research pls then come back here again

15y ago

hanzoh74

Look i really dont agree with all this BS about how he improved because of drugs, I think they gave him the right fights at the right time and he has also work to improve his style, To me its insane to suggest he only improve due to drugs (But i wouldnt rule out him using something to train harder/better in the gym). I just think me made himself suspicious nothing more nothing less, I look at it with an unbiase view even though am more of a Mayweather fan (Love boxing/counterpunch/sweet science type of style). I respect Pac and what he has done and i dont think he use anything to achieve it but he made himself look 100% suspicious to me and this had NOTHING to do with Mayweather snr or anyone else but Pacquiao himself. No u never thought of that until Floyd sr. brought that up....So u believe in crackheads and criminals now??

15y ago

hanzoh74

I never even considered it until he refused the tests and then the Roach Ariza cloud made it worse and then Bob Arum & Top Rank & Manny's camp have all made him look worse than anything Roger Sr or Floyd himself has said. I'm a hardcore Floyd fan and really find him to be as impressive as Michael Jordan or the next generation of great fighter for me being that he followed Tyson and Jones for me, that being said when the accusation was made about Manny based off his image, I was worried that he would easily take the test and make Floyd and his family and fans look like fools...But No Manny went out like Sammy Sosa with the SI reporter and started squirming and making excuses and then I was convinced that he was hiding something. The involvement with Roach and Top Rank makes me skeptical as well, like it or not Roach has been linked to the exact kind of thing we are talking about here, that along with Manny's excuses and his behavior insisting on this window for random testing is suspect to me. That's the nicest most honest reason i can give here and like in baseball once all this has played out and we have had hindsight to look back at everything and seen Manny's changes from a guy who couldn't KO small guys to smashing bigger guys it just looks suspect and now Manny must take the tests to get the fight and maybe to prove himself innocent being that his/his team-promoter-trainer action's have been the most damning to his reputation IMO thus far. make u looks like a fool really?? then why is Mosley looks like a fool after agreeing with the tests

15y ago

Ray

Alright. At least somebody have a different take on it. And yes, he did improve even from fighting Morales the first time and when he fought Morales the 2nd and the 3rd time. My only question is, do you think that Freddie Roach has anything to do with his improvement. I know after the first lost to Morales, they started working more on Manny's right hand. I'm just saying. Freddie Roach didn't just win trainer of the year for nothing. About the excuses, yes I agree. Some of Manny's excuses I also don't buy, but again, it also doesn't mean that he is guilty of anything. Look i really dont agree with all this BS about how he improved because of drugs, I think they gave him the right fights at the right time and he has also work to improve his style, To me its insane to suggest he only improve due to drugs (But i wouldnt rule out him using something to train harder/better in the gym). I just think me made himself suspicious nothing more nothing less, I look at it with an unbiase view even though am more of a Mayweather fan (Love boxing/counterpunch/sweet science type of style). I respect Pac and what he has done and i dont think he use anything to achieve it but he made himself look 100% suspicious to me and this had NOTHING to do with Mayweather snr or anyone else but Pacquiao himself.

15y ago

Jo94403

suck a cock fagget dont get mad cause people think your hero is possibly using ped's or because they disagree with your cock sucking ass:bottle: lol... I have no problem with that. People disagree all the time. I do have a problem when "YOU" start calling names. So F**K YOU!!!!!!! :bryce:

15y ago

Jo94403

damn damn damn..differant day same shit yup. we can do it again tomorrow too. time to get of the house and get some fresh air.

15y ago

Jo94403

2007 Manny and 2009 Manny are two different fighters so he was either fighting boxers that would make him look too good or he really did improve as a boxer at the point of his career where he should be declining. sorta like Barry Bonds if you would a great HOF baseball player who became an ATG towards the end of his career. that and him making excuses about blood tests makes me believe he did take something Alright. At least somebody have a different take on it. And yes, he did improve even from fighting Morales the first time and when he fought Morales the 2nd and the 3rd time. My only question is, do you think that Freddie Roach has anything to do with his improvement. I know after the first lost to Morales, they started working more on Manny's right hand. I'm just saying. Freddie Roach didn't just win trainer of the year for nothing. About the excuses, yes I agree. Some of Manny's excuses I also don't buy, but again, it also doesn't mean that he is guilty of anything.

15y ago

Jo94403

It's possible. Yes it is. Can't deny that. But it's also how you look at it. Do you look at the glass half empty or do you look at the glass half full. You can have your side. You can look at how Mayweather see's it or you can look at it how Manny see's it. Take your pick.

15y ago

Jo94403

and they might be true so get over it pacshit Man F**K YOU! You get over it!! Talking all this shit and you can't even back it up. If you can't have a decent debate about it then STFU!!!!!!!

15y ago

Mayabang

when have you seen an athlete accused of juicing and it not turn out to be true? Yesir, Just a friendly advice about your sig: I agree that superman pac looked really gay and stupid, but you're the only guy here recently that I've seen with that pic. So whenever you post it make it seems that you're the pactard coz you have it up so big as a sig lol. I suggest you make your text explaining the pic larger (or make the pic smaller), so atleast readers would realize that you're really making fun of the pic and not worshipping it, lol. That's all, carry on...

15y ago

immortal_tech

15y ago

Jo94403

when have you seen an athlete accused of juicing and it not turn out to be true? Common yesir don't even go there. Cause we can go back and forth with different athletes. I'm just talking about Manny. Just because of certain athletes are this or that, doesn't mean that they are all like that. Please answer my original question. Because Manny is the accused. I want to know Why do "YOU" think he is using something? Is it because Mayweather sr. says so, and his Uncle says that Manny is using A-side meth. Common man, you don't really believe that crap do you. So let me just here it from you. What's your take on it?

15y ago

freedom213

The biggest suspicion I have is him throwing 1200 punches against Clottey. Mostly super fast Power punches. Not crazy wild arm punches like most guys who are high volume punchers their whole career. What Im saying is I can let his punching power at the higher weights slide, how he put the weight on in rock solid manner since he obviously doesnt balloon up like most welters, his ability to take the bigger guys punches since he is a good mover but I have never known a fighter to turn into a high volume puncher in one fight. Things just dont add up but Im sure the Mayweather fight will get made and since Pac is gettin his 14 day window the world will never know.

15y ago

cooper5

Someone once said, though I don't remember who, that these "rumors" remind them of the childrens story about chicken little. Chicken little told the other animals the sky was falling and the other animals run around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" even though they had no proof or real reason. That is a good way of looking this. Moral; The next time Chicken little starts a rumor, say "where's the proof!"

15y ago

Jo94403

pac is cheating no doubt when they had ask morales in one of thier fights do you know that thier are rumors that pac failed a drug test in one of your fights man o man did morales avoided that question like the plegue and this was way before may opened his mouth. thier is somthing fishy going on with pac. well he get caught probly not o well floyd beats his ass with ped or not. EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! There is a lot of that going around.

15y ago

Jo94403

Because, take things into perspectve here, if you can't be tested within a certain period for blood... and you take certain stuff that can only be tested in blood, then its obvious you have freedom to take stuff. Common sense. Thats why the USADA guy has said... Manny having a 14 day window just throws water on the whole idea. Floyd only offered it in the first place as an improvisation, cause Manny wanted 30 and Floyd 0, so he offered 14 to meet in the middle, when Manny threw it in his face and tried to make him look bad, and when Arum tried to get the the press first and make up lies, he got pissed off and said he wont offer 14 days again... hes just gonna propose the normal process. Its okay you saying "get in the ring, forget this drug testing crap", but it goes two ways... why wont he just take the tests? I am not saying he is or isn't, but I am saying that other people saying stuff like that is hypocritical. I still can't buy your logic. It's so easy to say that "YOU CAN JUST TAKE STUFF." Your right about that, but where are you basing it from. Just because Mayweather says so. THEN ANYBODY CAN JUST ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANYTHING. I can say Kobe is on PED, because he is the best basketball player currently. But Where's my proof? Manny does not have a taint of blemish on any PED use. NOTHING!!! So to say that he should be subjected to this random crap, is ALL BULL$HIT! This argument comes down to two simple things. You say that "he should just take the test." And I say "forget the test, JUST FIGHT." Again, I ask. Why did Mayweather say that he can beat Manny if he is on something or not. If you make that claim then PROVE IT IN THE RING. PERIOD!!!!!!!

15y ago

Spacey1991

Anyway, I can't be arsed to talk about this subject anymore... its been beaten to death over here, and believe it or not I have repeated myself in many similar threads to this one.

15y ago

Spacey1991

Again, where's your proof that. All of these are just speculations. They have NO basis whatsoever. Because, take things into perspectve here, if you can't be tested within a certain period for blood... and you take certain stuff that can only be tested in blood, then its obvious you have freedom to take stuff. Common sense. Thats why the USADA guy has said... Manny having a 14 day window just throws water on the whole idea. Floyd only offered it in the first place as an improvisation, cause Manny wanted 30 and Floyd 0, so he offered 14 to meet in the middle, when Manny threw it in his face and tried to make him look bad, and when Arum tried to get the the press first and make up lies, he got pissed off and said he wont offer 14 days again... hes just gonna propose the normal process. Its okay you saying "get in the ring, forget this drug testing crap", but it goes two ways... why wont he just take the tests? I am not saying he is or isn't, but I am saying that other people saying stuff like that is hypocritical.

15y ago

Spacey1991

Man your talking about fair terms. What he did with JMM was not in fair terms. He came in 2 pounds over weight on an already much smaller guy, then he didn't even allow HBO to weigh him on fight night. Why cause he knew he had a huge weight advantage against JMM. Don't talk to me about fair. That wasn't fair. Common man. People be busting Manny's chops for making excuses, now your telling me not to take Floyd seriously. So we sholdn't take Floyd seriously but Manny we should? Thats irrelevant, JMM accepted the fight... that was his fault... Floyd isn't gonna do the same. Just because he fought a smaller guy doesn't mean he should have to fight a guy he thinks may be on steroids without reassurance. Anyway, nobody knows what he weighed, maybe he was carrying weight from the layoff... but Floys usually only rejuvinates a few points overnight, maybe he just didn't allow them cause he didn't want the subject of weight coming up. There is a difference between outweighing somebody and taking PED's, if you can't come to terms with that then you are too biased, Floyd fought guys that outweighed him by 10+ pounds at times and he didn't complain. Manny saying he wont take a drug test cause a tiny amount of blood will weaken him is rubbish, and thats what makes people more suspect... he brought that on himsef. I am saying, when you are considered as an unpopular fighter (within reason), him making those kinda demands would be laughable, they would say "this guy suddenly thinks hes big enough to call the shots, who does he think he is", now hes one of the biggest stars people take his opinion more seriously, I am not saying we should take one and not the other seriously.

15y ago