The Difference Between A Godlike Top 3 All Time Elitist and a Euro Bum:
In ONE single night Muhammad Ali puts to shame, the technical skills of mayweather and Whitaker combined.
just one "medium power" uppercut landed by Williams to the chin of vlad would shatter his glass into fragments.
2:31 Ray Robinson Style Backwards Knockdown; "six inch punch" which is mentioned in this video:
The late Jimmy Jacobs, then the owner of the world's largest fight film collection, once measured Ali's jab by an omegascope. He found that Sugar Ray Robinson's jab took 8.5 frames of film. Ali's took only 6.5!! Faster than the fastest middleweights!:eek:
2:14, vladimir would not have the reflexes to get out off the way. Compare the effort williams put into that punch, with the P**** hits that chambers was throwing.
3:36 Now we know where mayweather learnt his counters from
1:36 check left hook
Williams would have punched a hole in chambers' fat belly and decapitated vlad with a medium power shot. With full power he he hit even harder than sonny liston, who was the most feared puncher at the time. Williams was one of the fastest punchers of all time.
In conclusion Wladimir klitscko does not have the technical ability to compete with Ali and lacks the chin and defence to take Williams FAST power bombs.
Ring Magazine Top 100 Greatest Punchers:
49. Cleveland Williams
50. Julio Cesar Chavez
51. Tiger Jack Fox
52. Joe Walcott
53. Gerry Cooney
54. Al (Bummy) Davis
55. Max Schmeling
56. Florentino Fernandez
57. Henry Armstrong
Ring Magazine Top 10 All-Time Heavyweights:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Evander Holyfield
4. George Foreman
5. Larry Holmes
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Sonny Liston
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Johnson
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Ezzard Charles
12. James J. Jeffries
13. Jersey Joe Walcott
14. Mike Tyson
15. Gene Tunney
16. Harry Wills
17. Sam Langford
18. John L. Sullivan
19. Max Schmeling
20. Max Baer
21. Floyd Patterson
22. Ken Norton
23. Riddick Bowe
24. Bob Fitzsimmons
25. Joe Jeannette
26. Jimmy Bivins
27. Jerry Quarry
28. Jack Sharkey
29. Archie Moore
30. Sam McVey
31. Cleveland Williams
32. Lennox Lewis (Burger mashed vitali at 37)
Nothing special here except knockout power and robotic jabs which can easily be countred by diamond chin and reflexes:
Achievemants of Eddie chambers: ?????????????????????????????
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One last thing:
If Hayden had the choice from a PRIME ali or Wlad klit, you know very well who she would choose. It's common sense:
http://www.ineedmotivation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/muhammad_ali_01.jpg
^absolutely perfect^
Sorry Sergio Martinez but you are not in the same league.
OMFG.
This guy is delusional and a disgrace to boxingscene. It's just embarrassing to read his rants - my Khan rants seem completely impartial compared to this drivel.
I'm sure that's what people thought about Sonny Liston. 84" reach great jab.
Ali is great at guessing ranges and using his length and reflexes to make people miss.
Wlad has been known to gas out. Ali regularly fought opponents that were stronger than him, had more muscle etc
Theres good footwork, theres great footwork, then theres Ali footwork. Hec ould go in throw his combos and be out before the Klitschkos could react, lean back to avoid shots and then counter.
I like the Klitschkos, I think they are underated, but they would not beat Ali.
Yes exactly the 84 inch jab of liston didn't work at all. All ALi would have to do is an over the top right hand counter.
whoever attack frazier was an idiot
In heavyweights, frazier has the second greatest heart of all time after ALi.
And people still have the nerve to call him a ducker?
i definitely agree the klits are useless against 70s era heavies but whats with the massive klit hate?
The massive klit critisism is due to the fact that these clithuggers are constantly downgrading ALi's best wins.
For example the say one of the most rediculous things I've heard:
"joe frazier was featherfisted" - now this is just pure absurdity.
Vitali 6'7" + 80" reach. Wlad 6'6" + 81" reach. Both have more strength, more power, more muscle. Great stamina, can impose their will. Fight with a safety first mentality with the ability to end the fight at any given moment.
Ali 6'3" + 80" reach. Fights on the outside, head hunter, jabs and straights. Any other punch is ugly and loopy. Fights with the hands down. Great footwork.
I'd choose the Klits every time. They aren't gonna get outboxed, they have footwork themselves. They aren't 1-dimensional head hunters or wild hayemaker throwers, that throw punches from outside of their range and wonder why the punches aren't landing.
I'm sure that's what people thought about Sonny Liston. 84" reach great jab.
Ali is great at guessing ranges and using his length and reflexes to make people miss.
Wlad has been known to gas out. Ali regularly fought opponents that were stronger than him, had more muscle etc
Theres good footwork, theres great footwork, then theres Ali footwork. Hec ould go in throw his combos and be out before the Klitschkos could react, lean back to avoid shots and then counter.
I like the Klitschkos, I think they are underated, but they would not beat Ali.
That was a sweet knockdown at 2:30.
Yes I think ray robinson taught ali how to do this. Or he may have learnt it from watchin tapes:
"The six inch punch" - There you go, I think that's what it is called.
I don't get it. How can they possibly justify ranking Cleveland Williams ahead of Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos?
ask ring magazine. But I'm not going to chage it around. Williams keeps his place.
Why do you post the same type of threads everyday? It's kinda sad.
:tool: Don't act like you didn't know what was going to be in this thread and then come in and complain. You are just hypocritical.
And No I don't make this thread everyday.
31. Cleveland Williams
32. Lennox Lewis (Burger mashed vitali at 37)
I don't get it. How can they possibly justify ranking Cleveland Williams ahead of Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos?
This will be a UD for Ali. Reflexes and power were just about to peak at the time of the draft.
Who's the funny (humour) guy with the dirty face, upturned flower pot on his head, and dressed in a nightgown. Is he going to bed, or is he trying to look funny for his friends??
In all fairness Cleveland had a slug in his body. And his leg was shriveled up. Ali still great, never understood why some people use this as one of his best performances though.
Absolutely, I was going to write the same thing. I have never understood the rationale of using the Williams fight to boost Ali. Not only the things you mention, but I recall that he was lacking about 11 feet of intestine a kidney and a spleen.
The doctors at the time said it was a miracle that he wasn't killed, that is was because he had a 6 inch pad of muscle across his abdomen. He was 6 mths in the hospital, dying much of that time, and then about 6 months in recuperation to some semblence of what he had been. But unfortunately, he was never more than a shell of his former self.
At the time it happened there was a big account of it in Boxing Illustrated, which I remember, and actually have. There werea few interviews with his sponsor and manager. Hugh Benbow i think his name was, It's a very long time ago, and although I have an
excellent memory, I may be inclined to rely on it a bit too much. so can be in error.
Vitali 6'7" + 80" reach. Wlad 6'6" + 81" reach. Both have more strength, more power, more muscle. Great stamina, can impose their will. Fight with a safety first mentality with the ability to end the fight at any given moment.
Ali 6'3" + 80" reach. Fights on the outside, head hunter, jabs and straights. Any other punch is ugly and loopy. Fights with the hands down. Great footwork.
I'd choose the Klits every time. They aren't gonna get outboxed, they have footwork themselves. They aren't 1-dimensional head hunters or wild hayemaker throwers, that throw punches from outside of their range and wonder why the punches aren't landing.
No, just be another floyd mayweather style clinic. Over the top right hand counter works all day long. Lower weight is an advantage to ALi. He could drag vlad into the 15th round and gass him out like lawmon Brewster.
This will be a UD for Ali. Reflexes and power were just about to peak at the time of the draft.
Vitali 6'7" + 80" reach. Wlad 6'6" + 81" reach. Both have more strength, more power, more muscle. Great stamina, can impose their will. Fight with a safety first mentality with the ability to end the fight at any given moment.
Ali 6'3" + 80" reach. Fights on the outside, head hunter, jabs and straights. Any other punch is ugly and loopy. Fights with the hands down. Great footwork.
I'd choose the Klits every time. They aren't gonna get outboxed, they have footwork themselves. They aren't 1-dimensional head hunters or wild hayemaker throwers, that throw punches from outside of their range and wonder why the punches aren't landing.