Chris John and Freddie Norwood outboxed Marquez?

Marquez was def. robbed against Chris John. The 2 point deductions were BS but even with them Marquez should've won. Borrring fight though

Maybe if you actually watched the fights instead of looking at the back of the DVD you would know that John only decisively won the 12th round and realistically couldn't have won more than 3 all together. How can you say that? There were a lot of people besides the judges who scored the fight for Chris John. Even Marquez and the people in his camp only thought he won 7 rounds, so I don't see how an unbiased person can have John winning less than 4 rounds in that fight. He gets better with age minus the mayweather fight I don't completely agree with that. Casamayor is even older than Marquez and Juan Diaz isn't really an elite fighter. Marquez eventually managed to KO both fighters, but those were very competitive fights that Marquez should have won much more easily. The last time Marquez really looked like he was a top 3 P4P fighter was in his 2nd fight against Pacquiao.

both were bs decisions. A bunch of people will tell you Marquez got robbed, who havent even seen those fights. Well i saw all 24 rounds of both fights and JMM was ROBBED

I scored the John fight for JMM. Close one though. I didn't score his fight with Norwood, I wanted to but it was a a very difficult one to judge IMO. Lederman scored it for Marquez. I don't consider it a robbery, the fight was close and it was a bad clash of styles. In both fights I thought that the ref did a worse job than the judges. JMM got 2 point deductions against CJ and I think there were 1 or 2 KDs badly handled/missed/not called against Norwood. Sorry I can't be more specific, it was quite a while ago that I watched that fight. your right in the norwood fight the ref missed calling one of Marquez knockdowns. forward to the 9:10 mark to see the knockdown Marquez won both of those fights

JMM was robbed in both fights. He clearly won both fights. :nonono:

yeah he showed me a great website where you can buy the careers dvds with all big fights of top fighters. It is cool I think I might and try to get one for cotto, mayweather and mosley. I guess I meant outpointed instead of outboxed. I actually had Marquez losing both fights by 1 point. He gets better with age minus the mayweather fight

I have a friend who has a special career dvd of juan manuel marquez. There were two fighters who outboxed him that I dont know that much about Chris John and Freddie Norwood. How can two fighters beat who ring magazine have ranked as number 3 and not become big ppv names themselves. Also, how can a fighter ranked number 3 by ring magazine have so many losses and to not huge names? surprised JMM still #3, though that's irrelevant anyway and watch those fights before you trash JMM for them and those losses were years ago, how the fuck they matter now?

By the way, Chris John is still the featherweight champion and undefeated. I would like to see Rafael Marquez fight Chris John!

Is noorwood marquez as bad as John Marquez? I haven't seen that fight, but jesus John Marquez was terrible (the fight and the decision) I would say that the Norwood fight is worse than the John fight. Norwood stunk up the fight by running too much.

You have a friend who has this set, but did you actually watch those fights? Is noorwood marquez as bad as John Marquez? I haven't seen that fight, but jesus John Marquez was terrible (the fight and the decision)

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marquez+chris+john&aq=f http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marquez+norwood&aq=f

I saw those fights recently. Both times the decision should have went to Marquez IMO. Marquez/John took place in John's home country of Indonesia, where Marquez was deducted 2 points for low blows that weren't even clear low blows. He landed those body shots right on the belt. Last time I checked, those are supposed to be legal shots. John made Marquez miss quite often, but Marquez surely landed more punches overall. I had Marquez winning by a close decision, including the 2 point deduction.

I have a friend who has a special career dvd of juan manuel marquez. There were two fighters who outboxed him that I dont know that much about Chris John and Freddie Norwood. How can two fighters beat who ring magazine have ranked as number 3 and not become big ppv names themselves. Also, how can a fighter ranked number 3 by ring magazine have so many losses and to not huge names? You have a friend who has this set, but did you actually watch those fights?