Im sick of seeing threads calling Floyd Mayweather a ducker.

Timing is everything in boxing but i would have love to see a Mayweather-cotto fight somewhere along the line before cotto lost. that's gorilla-dog's style. fight tune-ups and mismatches or retire until everyone else gets beat up and banged up. then say you don't need to fight them cause they already lost or you'd beat them anyways.

Timing is everything in boxing but i would have love to see a Mayweather-cotto fight somewhere along the line before cotto lost.

freitas , casamayor , spadafora , kostya , margarito , cotto...... i'm sure there's more. just can't think of it. :) Floyd called out Kostya Tszyu. IMO i wouldn really consider the first 3... While I dont think he ducked Margarito or Cotto but I certainly think he should have fought them. If he had beaten both he would be top 20 ATG imo on everybodys list

Nobodys dodging any1....its da likes of dat tard Arum dats messing everyting up....why Pacquiao is involved with such a fool like him is completely beyond me!!!

The Floyd fan of today seems to think that all you need to do is call Floyd out...On camera. Spaddy did that. A few times. Bitched him out in the media every chance he could. He even changed his tactics and pleaded with Floyd after the Manfredy fight (HBO). Spaddy wanted the fight. You have raised some fair logical points and respect for that. Also I never said all you have to do is call out floyd and you get a fight. I just said that of the top names that called him out ie Hatton, Marquez and Mosley, and he fought all of them as they were marquee names that guarenteed a nice payday aswell as enhancing his resume. i have already raised my points on the Tony situation. To the people that argue for Vivian Harris the guy was never near Floyds level and would bring zero $$$ to the table. Fight made very little sense. Who here in all due respect would count that as a top victory for floyd if he ahd fought and beat Harris???

No one can convince me Baldomir was a more viable option than Margarito. Would've been the best fight at welter of this era IMO. No one has convinced me of that yet either, but it is what it is. Deep down though, I guess I wanted the Margo fight more than anything...I just don't say that on here, cause as you stated earlier, things get thrown around the boards so much, they start to look likes sheild to hide behind. That would have been a great fight though.

No one can convince me Baldomir was a more viable option than Margarito. Would've been the best fight at welter of this era IMO. I wanted Margo to rape Baldie so bad!!! Remember after the Gatti fight (Baldie/Gatti) when Baldie was asked would he fight Margo/ He screamed NO!NO!NO! Margarito!! That would have stopped the Floyd/Baldie fight in it's tracks. And yes at the time, the Margo/Floyd fight would have been epic.

I know what you were doing, but I couldn't think of anymore "adult" ways to say that I don't think Floyd is a ducker...I stated it manys times in this topic, and many times in the past. I'm not a child, or new to the sport. Not even close. I was just trying to respectfully give you my position on the two fights I would have liked to see him in. Plus the reason why I felt that way. On A Side Note: I also would have liked to see him fight Margo, but the reason I never bring that fight up is, due to the fact that there was to much going on at the time with Floyd. Floyd told Margo to keep winning, and look good doing it...Margo then KO'ed Gomez in the 1st round, but struggled against Clottey, then lost to Williams. Now true indeed those were some tuff road blocks (not Gomez so much), but if Margo would have beat Williams, I believe we would have seen Floyd-Margo ( or at least a push for it, I think Floyd was gone by then). The public would have demanded the fight. I'm a former die Margo fan, and never called Floyd a duck for the situation. No one can convince me Baldomir was a more viable option than Margarito. Would've been the best fight at welter of this era IMO.

Well he should stop going into retirement everytime a REAL CHALLENGE is waiting for him. Why did he retire when he should have fought Margarito and Cotto, Now he is running from Pac. plus Gatti and Baldomir are not good champions in fact Baldomir is the worst WW champion i can remember in the divisions history Does it bother anyone else, except the so called Flomo's, that is absolutely sick of seeing threads calling Floyd a Ducker. I would actually love to see someone show me where Floyd ducked an opponent. Everybody that has called him out he has fought. Just look at who he beat. Superfeather: Fought Corrales (No1 in division) Lightweight: Castillo (No 1 in division) Light WW: Gatti (WBC Champ) WW: Baldomir (Lineal champ) Super WW: Oscar Dela Hoya (WBC Champ) Its preety clear he ducked nobody from 130-140. To my knowledge Bob Arum nor Frank Warren wanted to pit either Cotto or hatton back when floyd was at 140 as they were still a bit green, especially Cotto. 147Now i have heard people say he ducked Margarito, and to me its sheer ignorance. He got paid the same money ($8m) as the Margarito offer to fight the lineal legitimate WW champion. Why would he fight Margarito over Baldomir when number 1, Baldomir had the belts (especially the WBC which Floyd covets) and number two Margarito was a higher risk fight for no extra financial gain. Every fighter that called him out ie Hatton, Marquez and Mosley he fought all of them. Floyd himselof was calling out Oscar and Shane for years but neither would fight him as like the Margarito situation it was a high risk/low reward fight as Floyd was not the superstar at the time that he is now. Im not even touching the Pacman v Floyd issue as it will just bring Flomos and Pactards in Trolling. Also to the best of my knowledge Cotto when at 147 never called out Floyd. If he did I did not see the clip and i will stand corrected. (if someone could provide such a link brilliant) The only fighter that imo that you could argue that Floyd has so called ducked is Paul Williams, but then again what WW wants to fight Paul Williams with his sheer size. Neither Mosley nor Manny wanted anything to do with Paul and you cant blame them, his reach advantage is staggering. Paul williams is currently not a PPV star and therefore does not make business sense for any of the top names at WW to fight. And remeber boxing is a business. Finally I hope to hear your thoughts on the above and look forward to seeing the responses. Hopefully we can get an inteeligent debate going on the above although alot of threads iv seen recently just have people commenting while admitting they didnt read the post as it was "to long". That is just sheer ignorance.

For me, the two fighters I would have liked to have seen Floyd actively seek were Johnston and Margarito. Spadafora...no. I get it, bud. I just wanted to nail down the whole "ducking" thing which gets thrown around quite loosely on these boards. Actually, there are more fights I would've liked to have seen Floyd in but those are two fighters that come to mind where I think he either avoided them or felt were too risky. I know what you were doing, but I couldn't think of anymore "adult" ways to say that I don't think Floyd is a ducker...I stated it manys times in this topic, and many times in the past. I'm not a child, or new to the sport. Not even close. I was just trying to respectfully give you my position on the two fights I would have liked to see him in. Plus the reason why I felt that way. On A Side Note: I also would have liked to see him fight Margo, but the reason I never bring that fight up is, due to the fact that there was to much going on at the time with Floyd. Floyd told Margo to keep winning, and look good doing it...Margo then KO'ed Gomez in the 1st round, but struggled against Clottey, then lost to Williams. Now true indeed those were some tuff road blocks (not Gomez so much), but if Margo would have beat Williams, I believe we would have seen Floyd-Margo ( or at least a push for it, I think Floyd was gone by then). The public would have demanded the fight. I'm a former die Margo fan, and never called Floyd a duck for the situation.

Actually, there are more fights I would've liked to have seen Floyd in but those are two fighters that come to mind where I think he either avoided them or felt were too risky. Larry Merchants take on things: Mike Cassell: Well, let’s talk about the other guys, Like Antonio Margarito. Larry Merchant: Who Mayweather didn’t want any part of, by the way. Mike Cassell: Well that’s why I don’t think there should be a question of Mayweather coming back. I think he has to come back. There is such a large part of the welterweight division that he seems to have just ignored. Guys like Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, and... Larry Merchant: And Shane Mosley. But that’s how boxing fans and boxing writers see it. Fighters today are not just fighters. They are entrepreneurs. They make decisions based on money. Mayweather didn’t want any part of Margarito because he saw him as a bigger version of Castillo, who he had trouble with at lightweight. A very strong and very determined willful type of fighter http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Cassell012409.htm

I never said that (it was better than Floyd). I got you now, took me a minute. I see why you aren't getting it. Your just trying hard not too...That's cool. In my opinion, the two fighters that Floyd should have fought in his career were Johnston and Spadafora. Johnston was the man when he called for Floyd, and Spadafora called for Floyd like no other. I never called him a duck, you did. I just wish he would have taken those to fights. The only two fights in his 41 fight career that as a fan, I would have loved to see. For me, the two fighters I would have liked to have seen Floyd actively seek were Johnston and Margarito. Spadafora...no. I get it, bud. I just wanted to nail down the whole "ducking" thing which gets thrown around quite loosely on these boards. Actually, there are more fights I would've liked to have seen Floyd in but those are two fighters that come to mind where I think he either avoided them or felt were too risky.

Again, him calling out Floyd means squat other than to show he wanted the fight. If HBO didn't push for it, if Arum didn't push for it, nothing happens. And I know Spadafora himself tried to downplay the sparring because he knew what it was...sparring! Not every fighter who calls another out is being ducked. Furthermore, Spadafora's following was in the North...like one city! Which was better than Floyd at the time :lol1:. I never said that (it was better than Floyd). I got you now, took me a minute. I see why you aren't getting it. Your just trying hard not too...That's cool. In my opinion, the two fighters that Floyd should have fought in his career were Johnston and Spadafora. Johnston was the man when he called for Floyd, and Spadafora called for Floyd like no other. I never called him a duck, you did. I just wish he would have taken those to fights. The only two fights in his 41 fight career that as a fan, I would have loved to see.

how bout he was UNDEFEATED and in the same weight class AND they had sparred AND Floyd fought one of his leftovers............... How about one was considered among the best fighters in the world and had proven it against other people besides, uh, leftovers? Who had Spadafora beaten again?

That Spadafora was an undeafeated fighter, that was calling out Floyd. He had about 4 fights on TV before he got locked up (HBO and Fox sports). He had following up North, and was starting to get exposure. Floyd was not the one you wanted to be calling out, yet Spaddy was doing it. Like I said, I knew about the sparring thing years ago. I'm not one of these cats that just seen it, and decide to bring it up. Check my history, Johnston have been the only two fighters I have ever brought up. Not to mention, he felt like, and so did his followers, that he deserved a shot. My points are based on all the times that he called Floyd out. My point is wanted the fight. He was doing whatever he could to get Floyd attention, winning included. Again, him calling out Floyd means squat other than to show he wanted the fight. If HBO didn't push for it, if Arum didn't push for it, nothing happens. And I know Spadafora himself tried to downplay the sparring because he knew what it was...sparring! Not every fighter who calls another out is being ducked. Furthermore, Spadafora's following was in the North...like one city! Which was better than Floyd at the time :lol1:.

freitas , casamayor , spadafora , kostya , margarito , cotto...... i'm sure there's more. just can't think of it. :)

What are you basing it on then, bud? The fact that he called him out? David Telesco used to call out Roy Jones at every fight. Literally showing up with posters. If Roy had ignored him do you think that meant he was ducking him? You know why Telesco got the fight? Because every other opponent pulled out. Getting back to the sparring session - it was downplayed because...it was a sparring session! Mayweather literally walked into a gym, saw him sparring and asked to go a few rounds. Spaddy was finishing up camp while Floyd hadn't been training for anything. Some things are best kept in perspective. how bout he was UNDEFEATED and in the same weight class AND they had sparred AND Floyd fought one of his leftovers...............

why did Floyd fight Victoiana Sosa three years after Spaddy beat him..instead of fight Spaddy..who knows why Floyd does what he does... I'm sure you have a point here but I just don't see it.

What are you basing it on then, bud? The fact that he called him out? David Telesco used to call out Roy Jones at every fight. Literally showing up with posters. If Roy had ignored him do you think that meant he was ducking him? You know why Telesco got the fight? Because every other opponent pulled out. Getting back to the sparring session - it was downplayed because...it was a sparring session! Mayweather literally walked into a gym, saw him sparring and asked to go a few rounds. Spaddy was finishing up camp while Floyd hadn't been training for anything. Some things are best kept in perspective. That Spadafora was an undeafeated fighter, that was calling out Floyd. He had about 4 fights on TV before he got locked up (HBO and Fox sports). He had following up North, and was starting to get exposure. Floyd was not the one you wanted to be calling out, yet Spaddy was doing it. Like I said, I knew about the sparring thing years ago. I'm not one of these cats that just seen it, and decide to bring it up. Check my history, Johnston and Spadafora have been the only two fighters I have ever brought up. Not to mention, he felt like, and so did his followers, that he deserved a shot. My points are based on all the times that he called Floyd out. My point is he wanted the fight. He was doing whatever he could to get Floyd attention, winning included.

You may think Floyd didn't want a Spadafora match. I wonder if Floyd cared. And while HBO used the sparring session to push Paul, they never pushed the fight. And that, more than anything, is what matters. why did Floyd fight Victoiana Sosa three years after Spaddy beat him..instead of fight Spaddy..who knows why Floyd does what he does...