Whenever I picture this fight in my mind i always think about floyd dominating manny with the jab and stopping manny in his tracks when he tries to push forward. I dont think the southpaw stance will give floyd any trouble because floyd has shown to be able to adapt to southpaw fighters in the later rounds.
So when you imagine this fight in your head, can you really see pacquaio penetrating floyds defence?
I think floyd would do a much much much better job at outboxing manny than erik morales.
on the other hand:
If pacquaio holds back on his punches and doesn't over commit during the first 4 rounds than pacquiao has a real chance to win this fight. The reason is that floyd will not have any punch patterns to figure out during the first 4 rounds.
To prevent floyd from adapting you should not give away your punch patterns so early in the fight.
Im not so sure i can see how PBFs knowledge given to him by Senior will match up favourably with the star pupil of Roach.
I think Pac can try many ways of beating PBF. Try outbox PPF and if that dont work plan B comes into action. Im sure Roach has different scenarios playing out in his mind.
flomos logic:
1. floyd-pac is a mismatch in favor of floyd
2. pac beat weight drained, shot and past prime fighters as he went up in weight...nothing extraordinary
therefore...
floyd's should demand ost...pac is juicing :pat:
Let's start out by stating some facts Floyd has a 5 inch reach advantage, a 1 inch height advantage, probably just as fast as manny, 10x better reflexes, vision and defense. Just because floyd doesnt have to throw a hundred punches a round doesnt mean he cant. As far as stamina and endurance neither one of them are going to tire out. But I have heard that mayweather sometimes spars for 10-15 minute rounds with different sparring partners. Ok manny can take a punch and floyd doesnt get hit. Floyd punishes you for throwing wild punches. Manny punishes you if you block punches with your face like hatton and cotto. Manny out works you when he is able to atleast touch you with his punches, case in point the clottey fight. Manny lunges in when he attacks, floyd has a checkhook just for that. Floyd is a head hunter and manny has a big ****ing head, kind of childish but true. Floyd has better ring IQ and ring generalship.
Now lets talk about the mental aspect. Manny's idea of setting traps and Floyd's idea are totally different. Manny's idea of setting traps, is he lets you open up and hit him so that he can hit you back. Floyd's idea is that he baits you into throwing a punch and then punishes you for throwing it. Floyd uses his and your weapons against you.
Most pacfans don't have realistic ideas for a pac victory. I think Roachs plan is to work the body and try to crack the shoulder roll. Then maybe try to pressure PBF against the ropes. Man I hope they sign already the suspense is killing me.
Let's start out by stating some facts Floyd has a 5 inch reach advantage, a 1 inch height advantage, probably just as fast as manny, 10x better reflexes, vision and defense. Just because floyd doesnt have to throw a hundred punches a round doesnt mean he cant. As far as stamina and endurance neither one of them are going to tire out. But I have heard that mayweather sometimes spars for 10-15 minute rounds with different sparring partners. Ok manny can take a punch and floyd doesnt get hit. Floyd punishes you for throwing wild punches. Manny punishes you if you block punches with your face like hatton and cotto. Manny out works you when he is able to atleast touch you with his punches, case in point the clottey fight. Manny lunges in when he attacks, floyd has a checkhook just for that. Floyd is a head hunter and manny has a big ****ing head, kind of childish but true. Floyd has better ring IQ and ring generalship.
Now lets talk about the mental aspect. Manny's idea of setting traps and Floyd's idea are totally different. Manny's idea of setting traps, is he lets you open up and hit him so that he can hit you back. Floyd's idea is that he baits you into throwing a punch and then punishes you for throwing it. Floyd uses his and your weapons against you.
I see a one-sided fight and victory for Mayweather and a stoppage if he backs manny off, Pac cant really fight on the backfoot, He loves coming forward and if Mayweather makes him come forward then i see Pac taking it, But Mayweather is stronger, better technically and smarter in the ring so i expect to see him backing manny off and stopping him.
Potshotting won't back Manny up
you have to had a relentless offense that will overwhelm Pac in order for him to think twice
besides, if Floyd chooses to be economical with his offense then Manny would have to storm him just like what he did to Clottey
everybody's template for this topic are the two fights MP had with JMM and perhaps the first morales fight...
a time when MP was very different to what he is now...
thats why cotto, oscar and hatton lost...
MP is quite different fighter the last couple of years compared to what he once was...
Whenever I picture this fight in my mind i always think about floyd dominating manny with the jab and stopping manny in his tracks when he tries to push forward. I dont think the southpaw stance will give floyd any trouble because floyd has shown to be able to adapt to southpaw fighters in the later rounds.
So when you imagine this fight in your head, can you really see pacquaio penetrating floyds defence?
I think floyd would do a much much much better job at outboxing manny than erik morales.
on the other hand:
If pacquaio holds back on his punches and doesn't over commit during the first 4 rounds than pacquiao has a real chance to win this fight. The reason is that floyd will not have any punch patterns to figure out during the first 4 rounds.
To prevent floyd from adapting you should not give away your punch patterns so early in the fight.
I kind of replied in another thread with a similar question. Floyd has a good defense but I think Floyd actually requires his offense to do the talking. I mean, if Pacquiao does not get the respect from Floyd, Floyd's defense will not matter. Pacquiao would come at him none stop and punish Floyd enough for the win.
What has happened to many of Floyd's opponents of late is that even though they were effective in the early rounds they had very little to show for in the 2nd half of the fight. Some may say due to Floyd's counter punching/defense and some may say because of Floyd's opponents (older or slow work rate).
For that reason, Floyd usually coasts in the 2nd half of the fight. Manny always finds that second gear.
Manny does not stop because he had 3 bad rounds. He just steps it up a notch.
That all being said, who gets the others respect will win the fight.
was jlc vs floyd 1 a mismatch?
was dela hoya vs floyd a mismatch?
was zab judah vs floyd a mismatch?
shit, even jesus chavez vs floyd was'nt a mismatch til the the stoppage....
were any of those guys better than pac?....:boxing:
floyd vs judah and dlh was a mismatch....they both got dominated....I know standards for floyd are higher now since he lost 1 round in the last 2 fights but cut him some slack both dlh and judah were 8-4 at best
I don't think it will be a mismatch, Floyd is a survivor. If he doesn't get knocked out he will stay in the fight and try to cope with Manny's hand speed and left handed style. But in the end around the tenth round he will retire in the corner.
Whenever I picture this fight in my mind i always think about floyd dominating manny with the jab and stopping manny in his tracks when he tries to push forward. I dont think the southpaw stance will give floyd any trouble because floyd has shown to be able to adapt to southpaw fighters in the later rounds.
So when you imagine this fight in your head, can you really see pacquaio penetrating floyds defence?
I think floyd would do a much much much better job at outboxing manny than erik morales.
on the other hand:
If pacquaio holds back on his punches and doesn't over commit during the first 4 rounds than pacquiao has a real chance to win this fight. The reason is that floyd will not have any punch patterns to figure out during the first 4 rounds.
To prevent floyd from adapting you should not give away your punch patterns so early in the fight.
funny how all people talk about re manny are his physical attributes. fact. floyd is the bigger man. manny said so himself. boxing is a thinking man's game. is manny more intelligent than floyd? i'm sorry. i've never seen much cunning in the guy. he's an honest fighter. comes in throwing lot's of punches. no target to hit unless your n!@@a quick like mosely or judah. people observe manny is fast, as he has never fought anyone as fast or fast than him. and floyd is very fast. quicker reflexes too. manny can't do that windmill sh!t against floyd. people are going to have to see it to believe it. i can't see how manny wins. a puncher's chance at that. and you need more than that against floyd...
Where do people come up with this garbage that Manny can't fight going backward. Didn't he put Hatton to sleep while the guy was just rushing in and Manny countered him perfectly. He did the same exact thing to Cotto, even in the Marquez II he feinted Marquez and put him on the canvas. The fact that Manny can and DOES fight going backward because he punches back, and he hits hard as hell doing so. The guy can be countered as Marquez showed, not that if you pressure him you'll lose. Lets be real DLH, Hatton and Cotto all tried the punisher approach and look where that got him.
The reason Manny wins is speed, and Mayweather is the only guy on Manny's level with that. If a guy can counter just as fast as you are throwing you're going to have problems, and its what makes that bout so exciting. Both guys are so evenly matched in terms of speed, Manny uses it to KO you and Mayweather uses it to avoid punches and take the fight out of you, instead of taking you out of the fight. Who wins is really a toss up, but if I had to choose this moment I'm going to say Manny would slightly win, but it would inevitably be a trilogy and I'd take May the next two fights.
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