~Floyd and Manny Pacquiao: FOTD Year by Year~

............ What was the point of that? He's my favorite writer and he knows his shit. I disagree with him on this.

There is no case for Floyd over Manny in 04. They both won a fight against a guy they were supposed to beat AND Manny adds a draw in a classic with a HOFer. Done. Manny. How? Take the titles out and look harder. Morales was coming off a loss and so was Judah. Judah was almost stopped by a Baldomir who rates as one of the worst Welter champs ever. Morales lost an ugly fight to an ugly style. Morales is about ten times the fighter Judah is on any day. Morales and Larios were still flat out better fighters than Baldomir at that point. 2006 was a slam dunk year for Manny and got voted that way across the board for a reason. Floyd wasn't even the first runner-up. The DLH win wasn't better than Morales II. DLH-Mayweather was a pedestrian outing from Floyd, a fundamentally sound, no risks performance. Pacquiao-Morales II sometimes gets overlooked but was a good fight. Morales wasn't shot; he was competing and in the fight until Manny found his right and a body attack and beat it out of Terible. It wasn't just that he beat him; he stopped a guy whose will was as awesome as any fighter I've ever seen. It could easily have been Floyd. Two things hurt him. He basically took 2003-05 off. His competition was bad in that period; when the best fighter you fight in a span of three years and six fights is Corley, something went wrong. It was the worst run any HBO fighter was allowed to get away with since either Roy's Super Middle reign or Oscar's protected period between Pernell and Ike. The retirement hurt as well, taking him out of the game long enough to let Pacquiao polish his resume. Had Floyd been active, he likely ends up with a Cotto or Mosley after the Oscar rematch, locking Pacquiao out below 147. Cliff Rold's Knowledge > NSB ............

I'm going to pretend you're serious for a split second and break down the whole decade. 2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF 2001: Floyd's best year IMO; Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF 2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo (I had him losing by a point) but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF 2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac 2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, dropping him three times to open a classic along with a ho-hum follow up; Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. Edge = Pac 2005: Floyd fights three guys with no chance of winning in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell in the most disappointing year of his career opposition wise, but at least wins a belt off Gatti; Manny moves to 30, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and barely lost an ATG fight with Barrera, in a great fight and adds a win along the lines of Floyd's. Edge = Push (Losing a great fight to a great fighter is at least equal to winning three gimmes.) 2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. The former Olympian Raheem > Baldo; Judah isn't man enough to carry Morales's jock. Morales and Larios, even with wear, were still better fighters than Baldo and drilling Morales into the floor twice is impressive when no one else could ever do it. Edge = Pac 2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ. Edge = Floyd 2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating a beltholding fringe contender in Diaz at Lightweight and an Oscar whose just done. Still, edge Pac. 2009: Floyd comes back, misses weight, and beats a Marquez who has no business at Welter but is still the reigning Lightweight champ and an acceptable comeback foe; Pac beats Hatton to become the first in history to win four lineal titles and then forces a catch to win a title claim in his seventh division overall against Cotto. Big edge Pac. So there's not a huge gap and in weighing the decade, Floyd gave it away more than anything in the last two years. If you're "scoring" the ten years, Pac wins 5-4-1. In terms of big wins, they're not that far apart but Pac did things which have never been done before in terms of titles and that's a big aid. Stopping Morales for the first time off a stinky loss to a stinky style is better than safely decisioning an Oscar whose only win in three plus years coming in was Mayorga. Yes. Oscar was a better win than David Diaz for sure though. I'll even give you that Oscar was a better win for Floyd than Manny. Yes and I could be persuaded that it's 6-4 because Floyd's 05 was such epic garbage but winning against junk should at least count for a little against losing. ..............

For each year from 2000-2009. Who "won" that year in your eyes? I go like this: 2000- Floyd 2001- Floyd 2002- Floyd 2003- Pac 2004- Floyd 2005- Floyd 2006- Floyd 2007- Floyd 2008- Pac 2009-Pac 2000: Floyd beat Emmanuel Augutsus. Pac beat some dude named Kon-Chae and in the Hussein fight was almost KO'd by a jab. 2001: Pac had 4 scraps was very active. However his best win was against Ledwaba. Floyd beat P4Pounder Diego Corralles and Jesus Chavez. 2002: Floyd beat Castillo twice. Pac beat Jorge Eliecer Julio and Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym. 2003: You have to give to Pac for the MAB win. In 2004: Floyd beat Chop Chop. Pac had a draw with JMM and beat 3K. 2005: I gave 05 to Floyd because Manny lost a fight, to a past it Morales nontheless. 2006: Floyd beat Judah and Baldomir 2 out of 3 of the Top WW's and won the 147 Lineal Title. In that same year Pac beat a shot Morales twice and beat Oscar Larios. 2007: Floyd beat Oscar and Hatton. Pac beat a shot MAB and Solis. 2008: Floyd was retired. 2009: Floyd beat JMM in a tune up. Pac had Cotto. He gett that year. Year by year its interesting. So by saying 2000-2009 = FOTD. Floyd is more deserving on this FOTD award than Pac right? Oh I get it but last time I checked my dictionary and still not satisfied I google it. Did you know that 1 decade = 10 years? and Floyd retired for two years. Pac loss to Morales and wins against other boxers >>> retired ducking prime Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Oscar rematch.

For each year from 2000-2009. Who "won" that year in your eyes? I go like this: 2000- Floyd 2001- Floyd 2002- Floyd 2003- Pac 2004- Floyd 2005- Floyd 2006- Floyd 2007- Floyd 2008- Pac 2009-Pac 2000: Floyd beat Emmanuel Augutsus. Pac beat some dude named Kon-Chae and in the Hussein fight was almost KO'd by a jab. 2001: Pac had 4 scraps was very active. However his best win was against Ledwaba. Floyd beat P4Pounder Diego Corralles and Jesus Chavez. 2002: Floyd beat Castillo twice. Pac beat Jorge Eliecer Julio and Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym. 2003: You have to give to Pac for the MAB win. In 2004: Floyd beat Chop Chop. Pac had a draw with JMM and beat 3K. 2005: I gave 05 to Floyd because Manny lost a fight, to a past it Morales nontheless. 2006: Floyd beat Judah and Baldomir 2 out of 3 of the Top WW's and won the 147 Lineal Title. In that same year Pac beat a shot Morales twice and beat Oscar Larios. 2007: Floyd beat Oscar and Hatton. Pac beat a shot MAB and Solis. 2008: Floyd was retired. 2009: Floyd beat JMM in a tune up. Pac had Cotto. He gett that year. Year by year its interesting. Bumped.......................

Regardless of what you think about Morales that fought Manny in the second and third fight is this: That Morales>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that version of Zab that fought Floyd. Larios>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I don't wanna go on any more in fear of hurting my fingers..lol) the Number 1 WW in the world. much easier to type that way...

Regardless of what you think about Morales that fought Manny in the second and third fight is this: That Morales>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that version of Zab that fought Floyd. Larios>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I don't wanna go on any more in fear of hurting my fingers..lol) Carlos Baldomir

He fought Zab Judah and he also fought the Number 1 WW in the world. How can you knock that? lmao, can't even type the words "carlos baldomir" huh? i feel ya, i'd prolly get goosebumps myself if i tried to say beating baldo would even come close to beating morales (prime or past prime).

I'm pretty sure the folks who voted Manny the FOTD are more than credible than the majority of this site. I'll take their word for it.

LOL!! This guy still doesn't get it. A non-prime Morales x2 + Larios is WAY better than any other fighters did that year. Even Floyd. He fought bums. He fought Zab Judah and he also fought the Number 1 WW in the world. How can you knock that?

To all the pac fans. We all should agree with the ts that floyd should be the fighter of the decade, for doing this we help them ease the hurt that they feel inside. I say, yes floyd should be the fighter of the decade, pac is not worthy to get that award. actually, they based it on fights that took your heart away, fights that has dramic endings, fights that lets you jump off your seat, fights that were won where you can shed a tear, fights that could inspire the world, fights that shocked the world. pacquiao's wins are way far impressive than may's. it has more feelings than may. when may wins: yah he's great, he won, i've already expected that. and to tell u the truth i'm quite disappointed, coz he did a lot of talking before that, and it sounds like he's going to murder his opponent. when pac wins: OMG, that was amazing, i never thought he would did it that way, pac again showed the world that he always improves everytime he fights. pac doesn't talk trash or try to overhype the fight, that's why people are often surprised on how well he did in the ring, and surprised that they get more than what they have paid for..

did you even see the fight.. Margarito was winning that fight before it was stopped due to a headbutt. The decision should have been given to marg. He lost in a sd against a puerto rican fighter in puerto rico. And cintron was a very good fighter at that time, far cry from what he is right now. I mean between margarito and baldomir in 2006, who would you bet your money on. Most boxing writers would prefer margarito... Not even close. Baldomir is nothing more than a journeyman who was place in a position to be a lineal champ because judah happened to **** up his tune up. The guy was a nobody before he fought judah.. maybe baldomir was a nobody before judah, but floyd fought him after judah fought him. He had accomplished more than margarito. Cintron is what he always has been. A no hear t boxer who rely soley on power. Santos whooped on margarito....at that time, margarito had not beaten a champion ever! Baldomir was the fight floyd should have taken....ther is no doubt. And the facts state that floyd beat 2 lineal champs in consecutive fights at ww.

Great post! Rub it at these people who thought The Ring's rankings has similarity to how The BWAA conduct their poll for FOTD. thanks man!

For each year from 2000-2009. Who "won" that year in your eyes? I go like this: 2000- Floyd 2001- Floyd 2002- Floyd 2003- Pac 2004- Floyd 2005- Floyd 2006- Floyd 2007- Floyd 2008- Pac 2009-Pac 2000: Floyd beat Emmanuel Augutsus. Pac beat some dude named Kon-Chae and in the Hussein fight was almost KO'd by a jab. 2001: Pac had 4 scraps was very active. However his best win was against Ledwaba. Floyd beat P4Pounder Diego Corralles and Jesus Chavez. 2002: Floyd beat Castillo twice. Pac beat Jorge Eliecer Julio and Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym. 2003: You have to give to Pac for the MAB win. In 2004: Floyd beat Chop Chop. Pac had a draw with JMM and beat 3K. 2005: I gave 05 to Floyd because Manny lost a fight, to a past it Morales nontheless. 2006: Floyd beat Judah and Baldomir 2 out of 3 of the Top WW's and won the 147 Lineal Title. In that same year Pac beat a shot Morales twice and beat Oscar Larios. 2007: Floyd beat Oscar and Hatton. Pac beat a shot MAB and Solis. 2008: Floyd was retired. 2009: Floyd beat JMM in a tune up. Pac had Cotto. He gett that year. Year by year its interesting. i agree with this though i would possibly give another extra year to pac at 2004 i believe it was. but other than that yes. the only reason pac was even in consideration for FOTD is because floyd was retired for mostly 2 years

Cintron and Santos....1st off he loss to santos both times. And who is Cintron. U can't be serious!! How did Margarito even get his belt? what champion did he beat? Baldomir got his by beating the undisputed champ of the division. Margarito got his by fighting a title eliminator! margarito was no dangerous threat....Margarito was a nobody! This is really getting silly! Did you even see the fight.. Margarito was winning that fight before it was stopped due to a headbutt. The decision should have been given to Marg. He lost in a SD against a puerto rican fighter in Puerto Rico. And Cintron was a very good fighter at that time, far cry from what he is right now. I mean between Margarito and Baldomir in 2006, who would you bet your money on. Most boxing writers would prefer Margarito... Not even close. Baldomir is nothing more than a journeyman who was place in a position to be a lineal champ because Judah happened to **** up his tune up. The guy was a nobody before he fought Judah..

pasa you are stupid if you dont realize that floyd had the better decade.....but i totally agree that a fighter that retired for the last several years of the decade(for the most part) while another fighter was whooping ass cannot win the award.

To all the pac fans. We all should agree with the ts that floyd should be the fighter of the decade, for doing this we help them ease the hurt that they feel inside. I say, yes floyd should be the fighter of the decade, pac is not worthy to get that award. :lol1:

You reap what you sew mate!!! You reap what you sow.

Margarito had victories over Cintron and Santos. They were rated highly in WW during that time. The media were clamoring for Floyd to take the fight. It doesnt add up that Floyd will take Baldomir, when every knows that Margarito was the best fight for Floyd at that time. If you want to say that Floyd was taking an easier fight against Baldomir because he was waiting to fight Oscar, then there is no problem. But you cant have it both ways. You cant give Floyd full credit for beating Baldomir when Margarito was clearly the more dangerous fight. Baldomir was suppose to be a tune up for Judah before takin' on Floyd. Judah ****ed up so Baldomir was place in a position as the linear champ despite the fact that there were other fighters who deserved the title ahead of him. Judah was suppose to take an immediate rematch but chose to fight Floyd instead.. The 130 lb. scene were dominated by 4 guys in the early to mid 2000. Pac, MAB,EM,JMM. They were the version of Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns in the lower weights. So any fights between all 4 of them would have generated great interest for any fans of the sport. Not to mention that all 4 were in the p4p list at the same time. Credit should be given to any win by those four against each other. BWAA will just be fine. They always have been. I dont think they actually give a shit about a Flomo or Pactard opinions anyway. Cintron and Santos....1st off he loss to santos both times. And who is Cintron. U can't be serious!! How did Margarito even get his belt? what champion did he beat? Baldomir got his by beating the undisputed champ of the division. Margarito got his by fighting a title eliminator! margarito was no dangerous threat....Margarito was a nobody! This is really getting silly!

Bro...let these crybabies have their little fun. I spotted that as well as the Fact that Manny won FOTY three times compared to Floyd only winning it once during that 10 year time frame. These Floyd fans are a joke.......smh So Morales wasnt shot in the second and third fights?