explain your reasons for me mayweather is the true #1 p4p and not pacquiao as manny beat a shot morales who got destroyed by raheem and was weight drained a shot hatton who got destroyed by mayweather and lost his punch resistance as he even got rocked by light hitting lazcano a shot cotto who got destroyed by margacheato and mentally was not the same afterwards and beat de la hoya who weighed 147 on fight night against him but when de la hoya fought mayweather a year earlier he weighed 164 on fight night plus pacquiao got a gift decision against marquez and remember floyd is undefeated got better overall skills and won 23 rounds out of 24 against p4p #2 at the time marquez and mosley p4p #3 at the time
explain your reasons for me mayweather is the true #1 p4p and not pacquiao as manny beat a shot morales who got destroyed by raheem and was weight drained a shot hatton who got destroyed by mayweather and lost his punch resistance as he even got rocked by light hitting lazcano a shot cotto who got destroyed by margacheato and mentally was not the same afterwards and beat de la hoya who weighed 147 on fight night against him but when de la hoya fought mayweather a year earlier he weighed 164 on fight night plus pacquiao got a gift decision against marquez and remember floyd is undefeated got better overall skills and won 23 rounds out of 24 against p4p #2 at the time marquez and mosley p4p #3 at the time
wow you aren't biased at all...
Manny's been fighting more opponents who are bigger than him and close to their prime. Floyds been fighting smaller opponents no where near prime or threat.
slightly better achievements my ass.
his resume and achievements are superior.
the only thing floyd has got going for him is his undefeated record.
if p4p was just resume and had nothing to do with judging skills , floyd wouldn't even be close.
^^^^^^^^^^^^this
Whoever disagrees with this post is just a nut-hugger.
NEITHER!
Chad Dawson is #1 IMO, because Chad has dominated his division to the point were guys like Adamek left the division, Bernard Hopkins don't even want to fight Dawson and if he beats Pascal then it is nothing left for him in that division
Dawson unlike others is willing to fight ANYBODY, he doesn't use "Money" as an excuse to NOT to fight someone, he doesn't use catch weights, drug testing, ring sizes, glove sizes etc... to try and get an advantage over his opponent, who ever Gary Shaw puts in front of him he goes out and dominate, that is what P4P is suppose to be about
Dawson's mandatory for the last two years has been Tavoris Cloud and Dawson hasn;t even mentioned his name. Look it up. Glenn Johnon will fight him prety soon.
I voted for pac but can understand why others would pick floyd. i chose manny as his acheivements are slightly better, i.e 7 weight world champion (inc. 4 lineal) and fighter of the decade. manny is the better fighter but floyd is a better boxer.
slightly better achievements my ass.
his resume and achievements are superior.
the only thing floyd has got going for him is his undefeated record.
if p4p was just resume and had nothing to do with judging skills , floyd wouldn't even be close.
I voted for pac but can understand why others would pick floyd. i chose manny as his acheivements are slightly better, i.e 7 weight world champion (inc. 4 lineal) and fighter of the decade. manny is the better fighter but floyd is a better boxer.
First of all I think pound 4 pound title is a load of shit, to me it doesn't make sense, but.............
Floyd. He's the best boxer I've ever seen and I think he would beat Manny in a similar fashion to Judah. I also think people tend to overlook the Oscar fight when they talk about him fighter smaller guys.
Manny is quick, has sick angles and can bang but I think he's been matched really well by Top Rank. Oscar, Hatton and Cotto were on a steep decline when he fought them and Clottey was a disgrace.
My 2 pennys
the guy who won fighter of the year the last 2 years.
the guy who won fighter of the year 3 of the last 4 years.
the guy who won fighter of the decade.
The fact is, mayweather is a great fighter....who hasnt faught top notch competition...sometimes it wasn't his fault, most the time it was his fault
Pacquiao on the other hand, has beat, and dominated most (bar JMM) Elite fighters....At their peaks....
People can talk about a "shot" morales, but that win is better then a zab judah win, or carlos baldomir....
The only great wins mayweather has had, is Corrales, Castillo and Mosley (even if it was an older mosley...was a good win), some people say hatton...but If floyd really wanted 2 prove his greatness he could have come down in weight, its not like he couldnt of made 140....he was going into WW fights at 148....
Pacquiao has not ducked or dodged no1....thats a true champion, Hes faught practically every best fighters in this era that he possibly could have
His Resume is superior to mayweathers, mayweather went up in weight and became a bit ch.....Pacquiao has gone up in weight and still challanges the best... Maybe diaz wasnt the best at lightweight, but i think we all know what would of happened if he had faught juan diaz
He Beat Cotto at Welterweight, that is just crazy....to not even be a welterweight and beat some1 like Cotto....you have to be at the peak of your game....
So thats why in my eyes pacquiao is the true P4P King
its a fair point but the other side to that would be that Floyd didnt beat the P4P #1 BUT the P4P #1 in roy jones was way past it, therefore Floyd took the mantle, i know floyd retired so manny took the mantle but now he is bk and bk in top form it should go bk to mayweather, he is as gd as ever and beating top guys making it look easy.
people who say that manny is p4p number one by default tend to forget that mayweather also got his spot by default. 'who did manny beat to get there?' well who did floyd beat to get there?
Pacquiao because he's done everything better with the odds against him. Hatton was out of weight when he fought Fraud. Marquez was out of weight when he fought Fraud. Oscar almost beat Fraud. Cotto and Clottey were two huge WW's. Something Fraud took how many years to finally step in the ring with Mosley? Manny puts Fraud to shame and shows how true P4P should be earned.
Mayweather is number one because he always has been, Manny has not beaten him he got the title by default, now there is no doubt manny is truely something special but if we look at their last 5 opponants
Manny Pacquiao
-David Diaz.... the guy sucks.
-Oscar De La Hoya.... give little credit cos most people thought he would lose but in hindsight Hoya was weight drained (no fault of mannys)
-Ricky Hatton.... Great KO but not a special win, Mayweather already beat him and I think Hatton overtrained.
-Miguel Cotto.... Great win, props to Manny but maybe not a 100% Cotto maybe slightly weight drained and bum raped by marg.
-Josh Clottey.... Average fighter but massive compared to manny.... some props but not much. top 10 welterweight.
Mayweather
-Carlos Baldomir.... holds about the same props as the clottey fight for manny, an ok fighter but a huge guy compared to Floyd. And the champ at the weight at the time.
-Oscar De La Hoya.... A better win than mannys over Hoya, he was big and strong and hydrated.
-Ricky Hatton.... Great performance in an exciting fight. About the same props as mannys win over him, he wasnt at his weight class but he was fresher and undefeated champ.
-Juan Manuel.... P4P #2, amazing boxing clinic although marquez was coming up a lot in weight (he challenged May at the weight much like hoya challenged manny and seein as mosley didnt do any better maybe marquez aint so bad at the weight as we 1st thought?)
-Sugar Shane.... P4P #3 only below mayweather himself and Pacman, you couldnt ask for a better opponant apart from Manny, Awesome performance, awesome win, great props.
I think Mayweather just edges it in their resumes of their last five fights so i think he is P4P number 1 based on his one sided performances and clear class in the ring. But P4P is a myth so either is good for me as long as they fight it out to determine who is the best.
NEITHER!
Chad Dawson is #1 IMO, because Chad has dominated his division to the point were guys like Adamek left the division, Bernard Hopkins don't even want to fight Dawson and if he beats Pascal then it is nothing left for him in that division
Dawson unlike others is willing to fight ANYBODY, he doesn't use "Money" as an excuse to NOT to fight someone, he doesn't use catch weights, drug testing, ring sizes, glove sizes etc... to try and get an advantage over his opponent, who ever Gary Shaw puts in front of him he goes out and dominate, that is what P4P is suppose to be about
lol
You bring up oscars weight but then ignore the fact marquez was a 130 fighter? I can tell you are biased
Pacman, simply because he has defeated better boxers, oscar and marquez cancel themselves out. Cotto is a better win than an almost 40 year old mosley. Hatton at 140 better than hatton at 147