Prime Mosley vs Mayweather

When I first watched it, I had the exact same opinion. Then I watched it without the commentary on and noticed that he really wasn't landing much and was getting countered a ton. The thing is though, Oscar faded in his prime as well though. Trinidad, Mosley, he had those fights won until the last few rounds. I think all those fights would've been tough fights for Floyd (especially Wright and Forrest, those would be very difficult & close fights) but I have to give him the edge just based on a skills standpoint. They would've had trouble hitting him and he was a much better "thinker" and a lot more versatile than Mosley. All due respect to Shane. Winky is one of my favorites of all time. By the time Floyd went to 154 he had long since moved up though so it was never gonna happen. One guy who definitely ducked him was De La Hoya though. How do you think that would've gone in say 2004/2005 instead of DLH/Hopkins? I like Wright by decision but Oscar being "The Golden Boy" probably would've got a highly-controversial gift decision :lol1: Yeah winky would of beat oscar no doubt

I don't agree with you on the oscar fight i thought it was pretty competitive....mayweather won......but until oscar faded in the later half of the fight his jab and pressure was getting to mayweather, i gave him 4-5 rounds....a prime oscar would not of faded......tito was not even competeive with oscar until the 9th round....but really the fight was in the bag by then....... Also i just don't agree that may could go 6-0 against those guys....but i will respect your opinion...... When I first watched it, I had the exact same opinion. Then I watched it without the commentary on and noticed that he really wasn't landing much and was getting countered a ton. The thing is though, Oscar faded in his prime as well though. Trinidad, Mosley, he had those fights won until the last few rounds. I think all those fights would've been tough fights for Floyd (especially Wright and Forrest, those would be very difficult & close fights) but I have to give him the edge just based on a skills standpoint. They would've had trouble hitting him and he was a much better "thinker" and a lot more versatile than Mosley. All due respect to Shane. Winky is one of my favorites of all time. By the time Floyd went to 154 he had long since moved up though so it was never gonna happen. One guy who definitely ducked him was De La Hoya though. How do you think that would've gone in say 2004/2005 instead of DLH/Hopkins? I like Wright by decision but Oscar being "The Golden Boy" probably would've got a highly-controversial gift decision :lol1:

Look man you can't have it both ways. First you said mosley wasn't fighting anybody but bums and then he steps up and beats the man at welter 2 f******** division higher than where he was. Man please. Dude just being the better boxer in a fight isn't gonna always get you a win. It's never a definitive fact. What happened to vernon forest in both mayorga fights? Was vernon the better boxer? Again at 135-140lb i like mosley to win that fight......Look I like mayweather alot he's an ATG but the other greats like mosley and oscar fought much tougher opposition. Here's a question could may go there shane's resume undeafeated? lol i await your reponse...... Floyd could possibly go through Mosleys resume undefeated, he may not but the jury is out on fantasy leave so only opinions prevail, so it don't mean anything one way or the other, could he go through Mannys resume unbeaten Id say he could but again its neither here nor there, can only judge them on what they have done and be neutral in looking at their resumes. A fighter cannot fight everyone all of the time, the very nature of the system is they all have fans, that means the ones he don't fight jump and down and call duck, the ones he fights and beat they get added to first bunch calling excuses why he beat their guy. He cant win no matter what he does, yet ALL the others are given free passes for doing worse than what he has done, its quite comical to see it. Name any fighter in history and dissect their resume one fight at a time not a few choice names, but from start to finish and they all have a load of crap in them, nobody escapes, not even the atgs like Duran, like right before he fought Leonard he fought a guy with 7 fights and 2 loses., Then look at the crap Manny took for fighting Horn, its a different time today and so many things are different with the way the game has evolved.

Of course we'll never know, but Oscar is/was viewed as the best of those guys and he beat Oscar pretty handily (It wasn't close at all). Forrest and Winky both would've been tough, but one thing's for sure is that Floyd would've been a lot harder for those guys to hit than Mosley was and that's the key. He would definitely lose rounds to both guys and was clearly smaller than them, but stylistically it would've been totally different for them as well. I like Floyd to win, but these are the two guys I would've most liked to see him get in there with even though these fights were never demanded/feasible. The Oscar fight really wouldn't have been that different, but the time they fought was the only time in their careers that they could have. Oscar would've always had the same problem of not being able to hit him, which was the same problem Trinidad had against him. You could say Whitaker was hard to hit, which is true, but he barely threw any hard punches in their fight while Floyd made Oscar pay almost every time he missed. I don't agree with you on the oscar fight i thought it was pretty competitive....mayweather won......but until oscar faded in the later half of the fight his jab and pressure was getting to mayweather, i gave him 4-5 rounds....a prime oscar would not of faded......tito was not even competeive with oscar until the 9th round....but really the fight was in the bag by then....... Also i just don't agree that may could go 6-0 against those guys....but i will respect your opinion......

And that's why his biggest names were in a similar phase of prime, the weight differences included makes them legit wins, people need to think what the 154 Cotto and Oscar versions that Floyd beat would do to the 145 version of those fighters, they would kick the sht out of them, and they are Mannys hottest wins , there is a very big double standard in this forum when it comes to giving Floyd his dues, people seem to think Floyd is always prime, he dominated his era and fought and beat the top guys his resume will shine in the real history books, in places like here its just waffle. I think that is a fair comment that people always assume Floyd was prime. To Floyd's credit he was in tremedous shape throughout his career where as other fighters had shorter spans of prime or near prime because they didn't take care of themselves the same way. For example I don't think DLH was close to prime when he fought either Floyd or Pac. But I don't believe a prime DLH and a prime Floyd is a blowout. I would favor Floyd in probably every fight but I do think that if he had faced all of these guys in their prime or near prime there's a probability that he loses at least one fight maybe two. That's what happens when prime fighters face off. It doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other overall. Sometimes it takes multiple fights to settle it. You have a bit of an off night, maybe you aren't feeling great and one slip up and you got an L. It happened to just about every fighter. I don't believe Floyd has no L's on his record just because he is great but that after 2003 the high quality of guys he faced who were in their prime is slim.

oh is that right? so tell me could mayweather had gone 6-0 against a prime forest, oscar and winky(2 times a piece)? honestly?????? Of course we'll never know, but Oscar is/was viewed as the best of those guys and he beat Oscar pretty handily (It wasn't close at all). Forrest and Winky both would've been tough, but one thing's for sure is that Floyd would've been a lot harder for those guys to hit than Mosley was and that's the key. He would definitely lose rounds to both guys and was clearly smaller than them, but stylistically it would've been totally different for them as well. I like Floyd to win, but these are the two guys I would've most liked to see him get in there with even though these fights were never demanded/feasible. The Oscar fight really wouldn't have been that different, but the time they fought was the only time in their careers that they could have. Oscar would've always had the same problem of not being able to hit him, which was the same problem Trinidad had against him. You could say Whitaker was hard to hit, which is true, but he barely threw any hard punches in their fight while Floyd made Oscar pay almost every time he missed.

There's no two-ways to my argument. Mosley's LW run was pretty terrible, let's be honest. I give him a lot of credit for the De La Hoya win that was an excellent performance and I really enjoyed it, although I do feel like he should've lost the rematch. Of course the best boxers don't always win, and you're entitled to your opinion. Over the course of their careers I wouldn't say those guys fought better competition either. Maybe you could argue De La Hoya did, but that's a pointless argument since he lost to a lot of those guys. And even the greats he did get W's against you could argue he shouldn't have, like Quartey and Whitaker. I would've liked to see the Mosley fight earlier too, but it's not Floyd's fault that Shane didn't want to fight him when he was at 130 in the late 90's, or that Shane had more interest in getting his tooth fixed and going on a vacation instead in 2006. Would Mayweather go through Oscar's resume undefeated? That's a very hard question because obviously Oscar's naturally a couple of weight classes above Floyd and fought at Middleweight. So you're asking Floyd to then go and beat guys who would be walking around 20-25lbs heavier so I don't think it's a good comparison. However if you're asking me do I think he would beat guys like Trinidad and Quartey the answer is yes. Chavez and Whitaker were ATG's but at that point in his career of course Mayweather would have beat Chavez just like Whitaker, Randall and De La Hoya did, and JCC is one of my favorite fighters of all time. Whitaker would've been the toughest one, but in all honesty Floyd is just a more complete all around fighter who could do more things and was also better at adjusting and thinking in the ring. Don't get me wrong it would have been a difficult style-matchup, but overall I see him winning a 116-112 type decision. oh is that right? so tell me could mayweather had gone 6-0 against a prime forest, oscar and winky(2 times a piece)? honestly??????

He took the safest route for the most money. That's just my opinion Ok, but how though? Details would be nice.

Why do you say he was a puss after Hoya? I disagree, but curious where you're going to take this. He took the safest route for the most money. That's just my opinion

Look man you can't have it both ways. First you said mosley wasn't fighting anybody but bums and then he steps up and beats the man at welter 2 f******** division higher than where he was. Man please. Dude just being the better boxer in a fight isn't gonna always get you a win. It's never a definitive fact. What happened to vernon forest in both mayorga fights? Was vernon the better boxer? Again at 135-140lb i like mosley to win that fight......Look I like mayweather alot he's an ATG but the other greats like mosley and oscar fought much tougher opposition. Here's a question could may go there shane's resume undeafeated? lol i await your reponse...... There's no two-ways to my argument. Mosley's LW run was pretty terrible, let's be honest. I give him a lot of credit for the De La Hoya win that was an excellent performance and I really enjoyed it, although I do feel like he should've lost the rematch. Of course the best boxers don't always win, and you're entitled to your opinion. Over the course of their careers I wouldn't say those guys fought better competition either. Maybe you could argue De La Hoya did, but that's a pointless argument since he lost to a lot of those guys. And even the greats he did get W's against you could argue he shouldn't have, like Quartey and Whitaker. I would've liked to see the Mosley fight earlier too, but it's not Floyd's fault that Shane didn't want to fight him when he was at 130 in the late 90's, or that Shane had more interest in getting his tooth fixed and going on a vacation instead in 2006. Would Mayweather go through Oscar's resume undefeated? That's a very hard question because obviously Oscar's naturally a couple of weight classes above Floyd and fought at Middleweight. So you're asking Floyd to then go and beat guys who would be walking around 20-25lbs heavier so I don't think it's a good comparison. However if you're asking me do I think he would beat guys like Trinidad and Quartey the answer is yes. Chavez and Whitaker were ATG's but at that point in his career of course Mayweather would have beat Chavez just like Whitaker, Randall and De La Hoya did, and JCC is one of my favorite fighters of all time. Whitaker would've been the toughest one, but in all honesty Floyd is just a more complete all around fighter who could do more things and was also better at adjusting and thinking in the ring. Don't get me wrong it would have been a difficult style-matchup, but overall I see him winning a 116-112 type decision.

The fact that the thread title is "Prime Mosley vs Mayweather" rather than "Prime Mosley vs Prime Mayweather" tells me all I need to know about OP's intentions.

I've seen that fight many times mate and nowhere in my post did I claim it would be easy work. All I stated was that Shane had two chances (1999 and 2006) to make the fight earlier and he didn't want it either time, so it makes me laugh when people say a "prime" Mosley would've beat Floyd. Of course Shane was better in those days than he was in 2010, but the same was true about Mayweather. What would've happened? I think Shane would've won 3-4 rounds but ultimately skills pay the bills and he never would've been able to get past Floyd's IQ, defense and more complete skill-set. No disrespect to Shane whatsoever he was a great fighter, but that's my point, he was a great fighter while Floyd was a great-all round boxer. Look man you can't have it both ways. First you said mosley wasn't fighting anybody but bums and then he steps up and beats the man at welter 2 f******** division higher than where he was. Man please. Dude just being the better boxer in a fight isn't gonna always get you a win. It's never a definitive fact. What happened to vernon forest in both mayorga fights? Was vernon the better boxer? Again at 135-140lb i like mosley to win that fight......Look I like mayweather alot he's an ATG but the other greats like mosley and oscar fought much tougher opposition. Here's a question could may go there shane's resume undeafeated? lol i await your reponse......

And that's why his biggest names were in a similar phase of prime, the weight differences included makes them legit wins, people need to think what the 154 Cotto and Oscar versions that Floyd beat would do to the 145 version of those fighters, they would kick the sht out of them, and they are Mannys hottest wins , there is a very big double standard in this forum when it comes to giving Floyd his dues, people seem to think Floyd is always prime, he dominated his era and fought and beat the top guys his resume will shine in the real history books, in places like here its just waffle. Exactly, they just say any old BS to try to discredit him. Like saying he should've fought Oscar, Mosley, Cotto and Pacquiao earlier when he tried to do that and none of those guys wanted to do it at the time. I think Floyd's in a similar situation to what Ali was in. People hate him now because he's at the top and because of the outside the ring stuff etc. Once Ali retired and boxing just wasn't the same, nowhere near as entertaining, all of a sudden all these "haters" started praising him and calling him the greatest. I expect the exact same thing to happen with Mayweather. All these people hating on him now will be calling him the best ever sooner or later. You can already see a lot of people have changed their opinions or at least shifted them to a certain degree. I can remember how hated he was back in 2009, and the general opinion of him has improved quite a lot since those days although there's still plenty of haters/trolls, especially here on this forum :lol1:

His prime/absolute best was probably from about 2001 to 2007. The weight he looked best at was 130. So he fought 10 years past his prime and 24lbs above his best weight. And that's why his biggest names were in a similar phase of prime, the weight differences included makes them legit wins, people need to think what the 154 Cotto and Oscar versions that Floyd beat would do to the 145 version of those fighters, they would kick the sht out of them, and they are Mannys hottest wins , there is a very big double standard in this forum when it comes to giving Floyd his dues, people seem to think Floyd is always prime, he dominated his era and fought and beat the top guys his resume will shine in the real history books, in places like here its just waffle.

When do you consider Floyd was prime ? What weight do you consider his prime weight ? His prime/absolute best was probably from about 2001 to 2007. The weight he looked best at was 130. So he fought 10 years past his prime and 24lbs above his best weight.

I agree. I would take Floyd but prime Shane is no easy fight for Floyd. He's in a dog fight. If Floyd is off his game he can lose. That's what people don't understand, when you are off against a prime fighter or they are just on fire you can lose. I consider Floyd easily in the top 20 boxers ever. I don't have an exact list but he might be even in the top 10. My biggest knock and it isn't his fault is I don't think he has many prime fighters on his resume. Lots of great names but few of those guys were prime and some of them significantly far from prime. You might be better overall than another guy but for one fight you might lose. I think that was the case with Ward. I think he lost against Kov the first fight but in the 2nd fight he won. Kov was prime and even though he wasn't as good IMO overall for one fight he did enough to pull out a W (as I saw it). We saw it with Leonard vs. Duran. You can argue that Floyd might have experienced it with Castillo if you thought JLC won. Castillo was legit right in his prime period when he fought Floyd. So yes a prime Mosley in a one fight scenario might have been able to get the W. When do you consider Floyd was prime ? What weight do you consider his prime weight ?

doesn't matter how often you explain that to them, they just search for a reason to hate him. mosley wanted no part of him and would have lost to mayweather by a wide ud even in his prime. after 07 it was worth fighting mayweather, before he beat oscar it was just too risky to fight him LOL. It's funny how much of a 180 Shane did once Floyd became boxing's biggest cash down. First it was "I'd rather go to the dentist than fight him" and "I need a vacation" then once he saw the dollar signs coming and his upcoming child support payments all of a sudden he literally ran into the ring just to talk to Floyd. :lol1: This is why Floyd clowned him so bad in the 24/7s because Shane was being a jealous hypocrite. He avoided the fight for years when people really wanted to see it, because he had more to lose, then all of a sudden started chasing it once he became the b-side and saw how much money Floyd was making/generating.

I've seen that fight many times mate and nowhere in my post did I claim it would be easy work. All I stated was that Shane had two chances (1999 and 2006) to make the fight earlier and he didn't want it either time, so it makes me laugh when people say a "prime" Mosley would've beat Floyd. Of course Shane was better in those days than he was in 2010, but the same was true about Mayweather. What would've happened? I think Shane would've won 3-4 rounds but ultimately skills pay the bills and he never would've been able to get past Floyd's IQ, defense and more complete skill-set. No disrespect to Shane whatsoever he was a great fighter, but that's my point, he was a great fighter while Floyd was a great-all round boxer. doesn't matter how often you explain that to them, they just search for a reason to hate him. mosley wanted no part of him and would have lost to mayweather by a wide ud even in his prime. after 07 it was worth fighting mayweather, before he beat oscar it was just too risky to fight him

go watch the first oscar/mosley fight and tell me mayweather would make easy work of that mosley.......that was a beast man and against a prime ATG in oscar...who up to that point maybe had never lost considering the tito robbery......so don't even try it I've seen that fight many times mate and nowhere in my post did I claim it would be easy work. All I stated was that Shane had two chances (1999 and 2006) to make the fight earlier and he didn't want it either time, so it makes me laugh when people say a "prime" Mosley would've beat Floyd. Of course Shane was better in those days than he was in 2010, but the same was true about Mayweather. What would've happened? I think Shane would've won 3-4 rounds but ultimately skills pay the bills and he never would've been able to get past Floyd's IQ, defense and more complete skill-set. No disrespect to Shane whatsoever he was a great fighter, but that's my point, he was a great fighter while Floyd was a great-all round boxer.

I agree. I would take Floyd but prime Shane is no easy fight for Floyd. He's in a dog fight. If Floyd is off his game he can lose. That's what people don't understand, when you are off against a prime fighter or they are just on fire you can lose. I consider Floyd easily in the top 20 boxers ever. I don't have an exact list but he might be even in the top 10. My biggest knock and it isn't his fault is I don't think he has many prime fighters on his resume. Lots of great names but few of those guys were prime and some of them significantly far from prime. You might be better overall than another guy but for one fight you might lose. I think that was the case with Ward. I think he lost against Kov the first fight but in the 2nd fight he won. Kov was prime and even though he wasn't as good IMO overall for one fight he did enough to pull out a W (as I saw it). We saw it with Leonard vs. Duran. You can argue that Floyd might have experienced it with Castillo if you thought JLC won. Castillo was legit right in his prime period when he fought Floyd. So yes a prime Mosley in a one fight scenario might have been able to get the W. Good post. Castillo style's and Floyd having a shoulder issue made the first fight interesting. Castillo didn't do much the second fight. I just rewatched 1 and part of 2. I was watching some SSM at 135 and I hate to say it, but nostalgia has gotten the better of me. He's not as good as I remembered and I haven't seen those fights since they happened with SSM.