So much talk about Shane's energy and speed was better years ago, but so was Floyd. I watched the Shane vs Oscar fight 5 times today and i see Shane much quicker, but i also see a lot of load up right hands over and over and over. He"s not gonna beat 2000, 2001, 2002 Floyd off the same right hand over and over. He might land it early and stun Floyd and Floyd will be like damn good shot, now its time for 12 rounds of kickin yo ass.
2000 Floyd had more combinations and took more chances. Had he had Shane in the same type of trouble it would be OVER.
Right, because Shane was so out of energy by the 2nd round when he had him wobbled. That first round where they pretty much felt eachother out and threw a small amount of punches really wore him out.
what they dont understand is that mosley learned what every other fighter that has fought floyd found out. He hits harder than they think he does.
Like floyd told him " you look in that ring and say, thats easy' this is how they think, just as I see fans on here saying floyd does this, and does that, and its easy to beat floyd, theres a thread right now about how to beat floyd or some shit. But these idiots never seem to grasp that being in there and looking from afar is two different things! Its like watching an idiot watching a nfl game saying, why didnt he hit that hole?
ITS BECAUSE HE DIDNT SEE IT! HE'S ON THE FIELD AND YOUR ASS IS WATCHING THE WHOLE DAMN FIELD!
Thats why Pac will lose and bad.
To beat floyd you need two things, superior boxing skills and ring smarts, or you need to land a good ass shot, and you need to do the second with skill.
Pac swings not even looking!! Am I the only one that sees this? his arms are much shorter than floyd as well.
PAC HAS A PUNCHERS CHANCE THOUGH I will give him that, but when hes getting countered, it will take everything from him, Roach is trying to prepare for floyd, but what these idiots dont seem to grasp is that you cant prepare for his "timing". Its his timing and his ability to mix stuff up that gets people. Plus hes fast, and elusive.
The man punches and always keeps his eyes on you. He doesnt swing with his eyes closed. Reminds me of what ronnie lott stated back in the day when he was playing for the 49'ers. "You gotta hit with your eyes open, how else will you see what you are hitting?"
Aaron Pryor, and everyone else will be on the outside when this ass whoopin comes.
They have pissed floyd off.
So much talk about Shane's energy and speed was better years ago, but so was Floyd. I watched the Shane vs Oscar fight 5 times today and i see Shane much quicker, but i also see a lot of load up right hands over and over and over. He"s not gonna beat 2000, 2001, 2002 Floyd off the same right hand over and over. He might land it early and stun Floyd and Floyd will be like damn good shot, now its time for 12 rounds of kickin yo ass.
2000 Floyd had more combinations and took more chances. Had he had Shane in the same type of trouble it would be OVER.
You watched the same 12 round fight 5 times in a row? You should learn how to be more observant..
Also I disagree, Mosley back then would've given Floyd much more trouble. He would've kept the pace he showed in the first couple of rounds going for 12 rounds.
In 2000, Mosley would have beaten Mayweather, and had a good chance at a stoppage. As already mentioned, he was a welterweight and Mayweather was at 130 still. Mosley then was also much quicker, much better overall at setting up those big right hands he loves, and just generally a better fighter by leaps and bounds than what Mayweather fought.
So much talk about Shane's energy and speed was better years ago, but so was Floyd. I watched the Shane vs Oscar fight 5 times today and i see Shane much quicker, but i also see a lot of load up right hands over and over and over. He"s not gonna beat 2000, 2001, 2002 Floyd off the same right hand over and over. He might land it early and stun Floyd and Floyd will be like damn good shot, now its time for 12 rounds of kickin yo ass.
2000 Floyd had more combinations and took more chances. Had he had Shane in the same type of trouble it would be OVER.
I disagree. Floyd is not the same fighter and IMO would not beat 2000, 2001, or 2002 Shane Mosley. Floyd is better today than he ever was.
So your saying Shane is gonna beat Floyd with one hand. Watch the 1st Oscar fight. Quick right hands over and over with a weak jab. Shane's left is weak. So basically 2000 Shane has more energy with the same predictable punches. Floyd of 2000 of has the same energy, but much more versatile.
Man, where the hell did I say Shane was going to beat Floyd? Before the fight was even signed, I said Floyd would beat any version of Mosley. My point is that Shane was a younger and able to pull the trigger more than once. And his jab was actually fairly effective going down the stretch of his fight with Oscar the first time. It wasn't better than Oscar's overall but it was landing.
You are comparing Floyd of 2000, who isn't even fighting the same type of fight at welterweight. Shit, his punch output has even dropped when he went up in weight.
it would have been closer....much much closer IMO......I would give Floyd the edge because he was faster of hand and foot and his jab was even better at 135 than it is now........(see Corrales fight at 30 to see floyd put on a clinic about how to use the jab)
but Shane was also faster and just better overall at 35.........
Shane wins the first fight (more experience than Floyd at this time)....Floyd adjusts and wins the rematch and then the rubber match.:boxing:
Shane would've scored a 12th round KO if he fought Mayweather back then, I could see it
So your saying Shane is gonna beat Floyd with one hand. Watch the 1st Oscar fight. Quick right hands over and over with a weak jab. Shane's left is weak. So basically 2000 Shane has more energy with the same predictable punches. Floyd of 2000 of has the same energy, but much more versatile.
How are you going to compare Floyd of 2000, who wasn't even a Jr Welterweight, to Floyd of 2010? Floyd has grown into the welterweight frame now, and at welterweight he isn't known for being a lethal combination puncher, as he was at the lower weights. And Mosley was in his prime when he fought Oscar the first time, his youth alone makes a big difference.
it would have been closer....much much closer IMO......I would give Floyd the edge because he was faster of hand and foot and his jab was even better at 135 than it is now........(see Corrales fight at 30 to see floyd put on a clinic about how to use the jab)
but Shane was also faster and just better overall at 35.........
Shane wins the first fight (more experience than Floyd at this time)....Floyd adjusts and wins the rematch and then the rubber match.:boxing:
But Mosley was fighting at WW in 2000. And he wasn't some undersized WW. He was a huge lightweight who went to WW, and actually outweighed DLH on fight night unofficially in their 2000 bout.
You got one fighter who's fighting at 130, weighs in the mid 130s on fight night, against a guy who's campaigning at 147 and weighs in the mid 150s on fight night.
The timing was just bad, as there was only a short time frame in which the two of them could've fought in 1998-99 before Mosley left 135, I guess the best time the two could've fought would've been in 2006-07 at 147. The fight is probably more competitive but I still see it being a clear UD win for Mayweather.
yet Flomos would try to find a way to spin this one & say that Floyd would kickass Shane hard :lol1:
But Mosley was fighting at WW in 2000. And he wasn't some undersized WW. He was a huge lightweight who went to WW, and actually outweighed DLH on fight night unofficially in their 2000 bout.
You got one fighter who's fighting at 130, weighs in the mid 130s on fight night, against a guy who's campaigning at 147 and weighs in the mid 150s on fight night.
The timing was just bad, as there was only a short time frame in which the two of them could've fought in 1998-99 before Mosley left 135, I guess the best time the two could've fought would've been in 2006-07 at 147. The fight is probably more competitive but I still see it being a clear UD win for Mayweather.
And he was most likely on steroids
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Nah, Floyd was in his prime at 130-135. Floyd fought at 130 in 2000 and would've won against Mosley or anyone else.
But Mosley was fighting at WW in 2000. And he wasn't some undersized WW. He was a huge lightweight who went to WW, and actually outweighed DLH on fight night unofficially in their 2000 bout.
You got one fighter who's fighting at 130, weighs in the mid 130s on fight night, against a guy who's campaigning at 147 and weighs in the mid 150s on fight night.
The timing was just bad, as there was only a short time frame in which the two of them could've fought in 1998-99 before Mosley left 135, I guess the best time the two could've fought would've been in 2006-07 at 147. The fight is probably more competitive but I still see it being a clear UD win for Mayweather.
Mosley would've had a huge size advantage back in 2000. It took a long time for Mayweather to grow into a solid-sized welterweight. Not really a fair fight.
Nah, Floyd was in his prime at 130-135. Floyd fought at 130 in 2000 and would've won against Mosley or anyone else.
Mosley would've had a huge size advantage back in 2000. It took a long time for Mayweather to grow into a solid-sized welterweight. Not really a fair fight.