I dont trust USADA and Floyd (tygart trying to lure Manny)

I still have no idea why USADA didnt take blood 18 days before the fight. The cutoff of blood testing looks like a way to lure Manny into a fight. The results of the tests suspiciously mirror Mannys original demands of the cutoff (blood cut off weeks before the fight, and urine all the way through) Are we all supposed to believe that it was a coincidence? or just their style of "random" They (and Floyd) are so adamant that refusing blood samples within the time frame of 18 days automatically means a user is cycling some unknown substance in and out. How was any of the testing random? by cutting blood samples off 18 days prior, then explicitly taking urine samples only. It was "random" at the hands of the Tygart and Co. His thought process must have been, "We'll show everyone our testing isnt as bad as advertised. We'll cut off taking blood samples for 18 days, and just test for urine. This will show we arent the bad guys here and Manny has nothing to worry about" All this showed was their inability to prove random blood and urine testing is a must so close to an event. They themselves cut off blood testing at a certain date and went urine only, and I dont think it was a coincidence, thats too convenient. Random by their definition was obviously at the hands of their CEO trying to market their company and make them look like the good guys. In all seriousness, Manny should have nothing to do with USADA after this stunt. If manny complies, I have a feeling theyd take his blood every other day including the morning of. afterall, it is "random" in a floyd way. If they were truly concerned of athletes using this magical PED that can only be tested by blood, and can be cycled out in 24 hours, they wouldve taken blood at least once in the span of 18 days, yet suspiciously they went urine only when blood testing was so essential to them. "random" isnt so random anymore And again, Floyd is not being tested right now. According to their stands he's doing something. When another fight comes, he'll start SCHEDULED random testing. this whole floyd/usada thing is a joke.

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Tell me you are NOT that Grown ass man under your username? ?? A man like that can't be this stupid. I always assumed most pactards hadn't been through puberty yet? LMAO The poster said the TS' argument was weak, which from my point of view, is very much to be considered. Im asking the poster to explain why he think its weak. Hence, it would be stupid of you to think that what I said was stupid, and the fact that the question doesnt have to do with you, even more validate your stupidity.

16y ago

joe90210

is this excuse #454545 by pactards?? now the USADA is in a consipracy against duckman!! :rofl: :rofl:

16y ago

jrosales13

that one person would be sued by multiple parties and immediately be fired and put in jail........yea dont I think any reasonable professional would find it worth doing. I don't think Tygart is getting bribed. But, there have been professionals and more important people than Tygart who have received bribes. Even though knowing the consequences of going to jail didn't stop them from doing it. So I think this argument is poor that you're using.

16y ago

Carpe_Diem

Another misinformed Pactards thread...

16y ago

Kagami_Taiga

this is just sad...well in that case, cant the nsac be bought and every other organization in boxing???!!! theyve all proven they were very corrupt in the past (this includes top rank) so why the hel should we trust any of them?? we should just stop watchin boxing, since when dont kno who's corrupt and who's not and since there is no way to tell.

16y ago

swizz

so people dont want better testing

16y ago

Vasyls_dad

How much money could it take to bribe an organization of their international standards, probably alot more money then Floyd is willing to pay, his cheap ass dosent pay the IRS or Sanctioning fees for belts. an entire organization doesn't have to be bribed. One person is all it takes to sabotage.

16y ago

Vasyls_dad

if pac is juicing he's juicing. everything comes out eventually. until then, im going with what we know & evidence. which is pac is clean & has no steroid evidence against him. you would think with all of this steroid mess surrounding him he would still risk taking roids if he even takes it. because you know since floyd is such a truth teller that according to him the philippines make the best enhancement drugs.... oh wait, that would be OUR COUNTRY with the rich history of cheating. The philippines dont even have a gold medal in olympic history. even ex pac trainers morrer & fortune who would have an ax to grind against pac & roach denied the steroid accusations against pac. its typical american move to accuse others of what we are doing ourselves. "they are stockpiling WMDs and we have to stop them before they start chaos".

16y ago

Vasyls_dad

absofukkinglutely. arum already said that golden boy promotions HAD AN AGREEMENT with usada in terms of what type & the amount of testing they where gonna do. gbp is also the one paying for the testing. That bears mentioning because gbp favored floyd to beat mosley so they can still land pac floyd & the fact that shane is shot & past prime at 38 years old. i have not seen or heard evidence proving that shane & floyd were tested AT THE SAME TIME. this whole business reeks of nefariousness. not to mention travis tygart head of usada is good friends with oscar de la hoya, its another scumbag move by scumbag people like floyd & his family & oscar & a sleaze bag banker richard shaeffer who in his previous job was hiding money for rich people so they dont have to pay taxes. yet its pacquiao who is being slandered here. its truly reprehensible what they are doing to pac. This is often overlooked. Why would I trust an organization that is being paid for by my rival?

16y ago

IMDAZED

those first couple of reasons for not taking the tests where not made by pac but by freddie roach, bob arum, michael konsz, not by pac. its pretty hard to get a uniformed response by the team when freddie roach is in california, arum is in las vegas, & pacquiao who they sometimes cannot get a hold on is thousands of miles away on the other side of the globe, busy with whatever new venture his doing out there. That's fine but I was referring to Manny's comments, which have gone from being weakened 30 days out to Floyd not being affected by testing because he is bigger. These reasons aren't logical and aren't scientific. And no fan should support them. as for the testing, there has to be concessions. pac has already did that. its floyd's turn now. Actually, Floyd already did that (concessions). That's where Manny got the idea of 14 days from, no? And those negotiations ended with Floyd saying, "no more compromise, take the full tests." I support that. I didn't support his 14 days. Did I think it was fair? Yes, but I thought he was compromising the integrity of the tests. That's where we stand today.

16y ago

IMDAZED

im for floyd & pac getting it on. If the fight has to happen without ost against 2 fighters with no failed steroid tests & no evidence of steroid use lets do it. That's what i support. Would you rather have pac v floyd happen w/o ost? or would rather it NOT HAPPEN because of OST? I could understand the crazed maniacal support for OST if one or both of the fighters have failed tests before, if one or both fighters have history of ped use, if one or both fighters was being accused of steroid use by a credible source like victor conte a la shane mosley, like mark mgwire & barry bonds a la jose canseco. I could understand the need for OST if pac was being accused by his ex trainer of juicing a la roger clemens & brian mcnamee. But to risk the fight of our generation for some unfounded baseless allegations? i dont think so. i know so. I don't see things as either/or. I want to see the fight occur with full, uncompromised testing. Would I watch it without it? Sure. But when the testing is on the table, I'm going to push hard for it to be implemented - not half ass either. Simple. As far as accusations, I would repeat that Manny did himself a disservice with his lies and backtracking. Without that, it would've just been assumed that Floyd Sr was running his big mouth (again).

16y ago

hanzoh74

Jesus, you fools and you're ridiculous conspiracy theories. this some serious weaksauce. and u wer dismissing that when arum revealed the 18-day cut off its one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories. That weaksauce is already in ur face

16y ago

mnbv

i'm very entertained at dazed's replies, keep it up man. hehehe.

16y ago

IMDAZED

ive actually been teased as a uncle tom for my dislike of floyd. that's fine joe frazier was called an uncle tom ali, emmanuel steward has been called an uncle tom by floyd. i live with my dad who is black & my mother who is white i havent seen in years. Im color blind, i dont blindly support a fighter because he happens to be black, white, or asian. something i cant say for a lot of floyd fans. Well I think it's sad people make assumptions about you. I also think it's pathetic when people make racial assumptions on a message board...like assuming I support Floyd because he's black. I had no idea OST was something people of African descent thought up.

16y ago

IMDAZED

i didnt think so........................ I didn't either.

16y ago

goldenglove2

why am i not surprised that Dazed is in here tryin to get himself constipated with the SAME f'n topic....again lols............

16y ago

goldenglove2

I was writing articles on the topic when you thought OST was a maxipad brand. Why would I need to show a thread in order to prove anything? Get lost. i didnt think so........................

16y ago

IMDAZED

Cool please show me a link or thread you started about full OST in boxing before Floyd started asking it for the Manny fight. Thanks..... I was writing articles on the topic when you thought OST was a maxipad brand. Why would I need to show a thread in order to prove anything? Get lost.

16y ago

goldenglove2

I don't really care what Floyd thinks. I back full testing. Do you? Why half-ass OST? Do it or dont. . Cool please show me a link or thread you started about full OST in boxing before Floyd started asking it for the Manny fight. Thanks.....

16y ago

IMDAZED

because he's trying to make a fight! ffs, what's with expired offers, void offers, contract expired crap? What was he trying to do when they were actually negotiating? Avoid one? boxing mega fight negotiations is not a fukking walmart coupon. so fukking what that floyd took it off the table? put it back in the table. I see. So when Manny says no, it's off the table. When Manny says yes, it's on. What i find quite hilarious is that you floyd fans act as if floyd told you that he's not backing down from his full ost testing. how about we wait & see? why do you think the floyd camp issued a no comment in regards to the new pac revelation? I don't really care what Floyd thinks. I back full testing. Do you? its quite obvious that pac who not only entertained the extra testing which he didnt need to in the first place is trying to make the fight. Why half-ass OST? Do it or dont. btw, im half black half white & my favorite fighter of all time is a mexican, salvador sanchez. my 3 favorite fighters currently are pac, valero (was), james kirkland, & paul williams. That's wonderful. its quite obvious you are a black man who feels threatened that a non black man is on top of a usually black dominated sport & you feel that floyd should be getting the shine that pac is getting. It's sad your argument has dwindled to this. I think it's quite obvious you're a mixed child ashamed of his black side. See how silly that is? Probably not.

16y ago