Merchant: Why Mayweather vs Margarito never happened

Floyd should have fought Margarito after he whooped Cotto, true story. yep, the cowardly ways are hard to overcome.

Floyd should have fought Margarito after he whooped Cotto, true story.

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Cassell012409.htm What do people here make of this? floyd is a ducker. what else is new???

HOW IS PACQUIAO AN ALL TIME GREAT ON THE LEVEL OF THE PEOPEL I MENTIONED? HES AN ATG PROBABLY FOR HIS ERA (JUST AS FLOYD IS), BUT NOT TO BE MENTIONED IN THE SAME BREATH OF ANY FOUR OF THEM. AND REMEMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FLOYD FIGHTING ATGS, PACQUIAO JUST BECAME POPULAR ENOUGH TO EVEN BE TALKED ABOUT IN TEH REALM OF FLOYD AND THE ELITE. * HE BEAT A DEHYDRATED OSCAR. *A BRUSIED AND BATTERED COTTO AS EVEN YOU ADMITTED. * AND A PREVIOUSLY CHIN CHECKED HATTON WHO WAS IN MY OPINION NEVER GOOD. * MORALES WAS ON THE DECLINE. REMEMBER RAHEEM I think his name is beat the shit outta morales, yet pac didnt pursue the fight did he?? * hell when you mention catch-weight you cant not help but think about PAC. FIGHTING FOR BELTS AT CATCHWEIGHT IS NOT ATG STANDARDS. BEATING PEOPLE 2 WEIGHT CLASSES ABOVE YOU TAKING THEIR BELTS IS. IMO PAC IS GOOD. BUT WHEN DISSECT THE WINS, THERE IS NOT GREATNESS THERE. JUST AS DELAHOYA MADE A NAME OF BEATING OVER THE HILL FIGHTERS. GETS BEAT UP AS WELL. IMHO Floyd is an top 25 atg.Pac is like a top 50to30 atg.Floyd has been fight at a higher level longer then Pac has been a bigger star longer then Pac and is undefeated.Floyd in my eyes is fighter of the decade but I do feel like Manny is an atg.I believe this version of Pac could compete with Duran Pryor some of the greats.Hearns and SRL would kill Pac untill he died from it lol.But I feel they beat and stop the Money Man too.

Who really knows but isn't a little naive to think they only tried it one time before? Whether Marg knew what was being put in his wraps or not. They've been doing it for a long time for him not to realize his wraps felt different. The thing I found most distrubing was the commisonner, who didnt even notice the wraps and allowed him to wrap his hands even though Naz wasnt there.

I agree Clottey just finds a way to beat himself all the time.He does everything well not great but he has a lack of ball's can't teach that. Maybe hypnosis, lol I used to be a big fan of his as well, but after a while you start to notice things, like how he always finds a way to lose his big fights. I would like for him to do well, but I dont see that ever happening now

HOW IS PACQUIAO AN ALL TIME GREAT ON THE LEVEL OF THE PEOPEL I MENTIONED? HES AN ATG PROBABLY FOR HIS ERA (JUST AS FLOYD IS), BUT NOT TO BE MENTIONED IN THE SAME BREATH OF ANY FOUR OF THEM. I can agree with this AND REMEMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FLOYD FIGHTING ATGS, PACQUIAO JUST BECAME POPULAR ENOUGH TO EVEN BE TALKED ABOUT IN TEH REALM OF FLOYD AND THE ELITE. * HE BEAT A DEHYDRATED OSCAR. Ive got to give Pacquaio full credit for that, Oscars only has himself to blame for his state *A BRUSIED AND BATTERED COTTO AS EVEN YOU ADMITTED. Cotto was on the slide, I also think he lost the Clottey fight as well * AND A PREVIOUSLY CHIN CHECKED HATTON WHO WAS IN MY OPINION NEVER GOOD. I agree with this as well * MORALES WAS ON THE DECLINE. REMEMBER RAHEEM I think his name is beat the shit outta morales, yet pac didnt pursue the fight did he?? I dont give him much credit for those two wins, but he gets props for his two wins over Barerra and his win over JMM * hell when you mention catch-weight you cant not help but think about PAC. FIGHTING FOR BELTS AT CATCHWEIGHT IS NOT ATG STANDARDS. BEATING PEOPLE 2 WEIGHT CLASSES ABOVE YOU TAKING THEIR BELTS IS. IMO PAC IS GOOD. BUT WHEN DISSECT THE WINS, THERE IS NOT GREATNESS THERE. JUST AS DELAHOYA MADE A NAME OF BEATING OVER THE HILL FIGHTERS. GETS BEAT UP AS WELL. How would you define a great fighter?

I have to agree with most of this, apart from calling Clottey a mediocre fighter. He has the skills to be elite, but he has the wrong mentality, which will always hold him back I personally want Cotto to retire, hopefully he will after the Foreman fight. I agree Clottey just finds a way to beat himself all the time.He does everything well not great but he has a lack of ball's can't teach that.

How long do you think his been doing that? Also I think Pacquaio will end up fighting Margarito instead of Mayweather now. Who really knows but isn't a little naive to think they only tried it one time before? Whether Marg knew what was being put in his wraps or not. They've been doing it for a long time for him not to realize his wraps felt different.

To be honest no point of the fight now, Cotto IMO is done. He has been in too many wars against mediocre/tough fighters, He took too much punishment in winning the Judah fight, He struggled to a UD against Mosley with his stamina, He was plastered (?) in the Margarito fight and by the time he fought mediocre fighters like Clottey he was worn out, And Pacquiao finished anything he had IMO. Unless Cotto destroys Foreman then beat one or two tougher names at 154 i really dont want to see him fight Mayweather, Another thing is even if Cotto beats foreman and another one of two fights at 154 all those fights would add to his mileage going into a Mayweather fight. You are right here Cotto I respect him for fighting all the fights he did but it has taken it's toll.I believe he could beat some fighters still but a Mayweather not a chance.I don't think a fresh Cotto would beat Mayweather so this shop worn Cotto would be totally outclassed and flat out beat up.

The Margarito situation is a damning situation for boxing, lord knows how long his been doing that for. As for Cotto he has to spend the rest of his life wondering how many of his losses were legit or not. It would a travesty if we later found out in years to come that Pacquiao was indeed on some performance enhancing drug while he was fighting people like Cotto...That would be two fights against Cotto with a (?) around it.

damn you are a damn respectable poster one of the best mayweather fan's who post here.you up there with my main man chiefsec's that's saying alot.i have great respect for that man. i appreciate that....

And a true boxing fan should tell umm because styles makes fights son/daughter. LOL TOUCHE'................ I see your point of view though.

True, but guys who tend to rely heavily on their athletic abilities over technical abilities have short primes. Jones was on the slide by the Harmon fight, Nunn was on the slide by the time he moved to smw Fair enough You dont consider Pacquiao to be a ATG? HOW IS PACQUIAO AN ALL TIME GREAT ON THE LEVEL OF THE PEOPEL I MENTIONED? HES AN ATG PROBABLY FOR HIS ERA (JUST AS FLOYD IS), BUT NOT TO BE MENTIONED IN THE SAME BREATH OF ANY FOUR OF THEM. AND REMEMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FLOYD FIGHTING ATGS, PACQUIAO JUST BECAME POPULAR ENOUGH TO EVEN BE TALKED ABOUT IN TEH REALM OF FLOYD AND THE ELITE. * HE BEAT A DEHYDRATED OSCAR. *A BRUSIED AND BATTERED COTTO AS EVEN YOU ADMITTED. * AND A PREVIOUSLY CHIN CHECKED HATTON WHO WAS IN MY OPINION NEVER GOOD. * MORALES WAS ON THE DECLINE. REMEMBER RAHEEM I think his name is beat the shit outta morales, yet pac didnt pursue the fight did he?? * hell when you mention catch-weight you cant not help but think about PAC. FIGHTING FOR BELTS AT CATCHWEIGHT IS NOT ATG STANDARDS. BEATING PEOPLE 2 WEIGHT CLASSES ABOVE YOU TAKING THEIR BELTS IS. IMO PAC IS GOOD. BUT WHEN DISSECT THE WINS, THERE IS NOT GREATNESS THERE. JUST AS DELAHOYA MADE A NAME OF BEATING OVER THE HILL FIGHTERS. GETS BEAT UP AS WELL.

No I have to give you your props you didnt take anything from MAY, I agree you let it be known that he (mosley) was your favorite fighter and I honestly respect that. We are all wrong at times, but thats just how it is. I just dont see margarito giving Floyd a hard time, but hey at the end of the day, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AS WELL........ I could be wrong as well bro. Damn you are a damn respectable poster one of the best Mayweather fan's who post here.You up there with my main man Chiefsec's that's saying alot.I have great respect for that man.

Why are we even discussing this? Tony was cheating so thank god Mayweather or Pacquiao never faced him before he got busted. How long do you think his been doing that? Also I think Pacquaio will end up fighting Margarito instead of Mayweather now.

Yeah cotto got a tough break. A DAMN SHAME, ALL THE MORE REASON THAT I DONT WANT MARGARITO COMING BACK. HOW in the hell could you not know you have plaster?? there is only one way you wouldnt know you had plaster in yoru gloves, and thats if you always had plaster in yoru gloves!!!!! ohhh SHIT!! The Margarito situation is a damning situation for boxing, lord knows how long his been doing that for. As for Cotto he has to spend the rest of his life wondering how many of his losses were legit or not.

COTTO NOR MARGARITO WILL BE ATG'S ESPECIALLY MARGARITO FOR CHEATING..... IN 20 years time, unless cotto is rejuvenated by emmanuel steward, hes done as well. Not saying he isnt good, but he isnt great. manny crushed him, he ran from shane, he was struggling with clottey, margarito demolished him..... hell he might get served JUNE 5, WHO KNOWS WHICH COTTO WILL SHOW UP. MY POINT IS THAT DIDNT HURT HIS LEGACY BECAUSE WHEN YOUR CHILDREN ARE OLD ENOUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THEY WILL SEE COTTO FIGHTS OF HIM LOOKING LIKE THE ELEPHANT MAN, THEY WILL SEE MARGARITO GETTING KNOCKED OUT BY SHANE, THEY WILL SEE MARGARITO GETTING CAUGHT CHEATING... AND THEY WILL SEE FLOYD WITH A SWOLLEN EYE EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, COMFORTABLY WINNING FIGHTS...... THATS THE TRUTH.... They will wonder why people were saying he doged margarito when he beat the hell out shane who slaughtered margarito. And a true boxing fan should tell umm because styles makes fights son/daughter.

good, but the point is that even with ali taking punishment he was taking that after his return from him being stripped, he couldnt be hit earlier in his career go look at his fight with liston (1st one) only after his legs started leaving him and he was with stronger guys did he start to get punished.... True, but guys who tend to rely heavily on their athletic abilities over technical abilities have short primes. Jones was on the slide by the Harmon fight, Nunn was on the slide by the time he moved to smw leonard had a detached retina and in no way am I saying that floyds excuse is greater than leonards, but, when your hands are jacked up thats bad...... Floyd has bad hands, or actually they were just being wrapped wrong and too tight, so he would be landing hard shots that hurt him as the fight went on. Thats like bing an artist that is losing his sight....... he had to let his body heal and recover, but he still did light work outs to stay in shape.. Fair enough now as far as all time greats and floyd stated post fight after shane, " I DONT LIVE IN THEIR ERA, I LIVE IN MINE" You see who is really an ATG IN FLOYDS ERA? HONESTLY? ALL THE ONES THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT WERE OR COULD HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN DIMINISHED ALA' COTTO. WHO IS REALLY AN ALL TIME GREAT ON THE LEVEL OF DURAN, HEARNS, LEONARD, HAGLER ETC? WANNA HEAR THE ANSWER??? NONE OF THEM ARE! THEY CANT COMPARE TO THAT ERA, BUT FLOYD CAN ONLY BEAT WHATS IN FRONT OF HIM. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HIM NOT FIGHTING 2 FIGHTERS THAT HAVE DIMINISHED SOO MUCH IN THE LAST 2 YEARS!! ONE I think because he (COTTO) was abused by a cheater, and a cheater because he got caught cheating and could no longer use his secret weapon. BUT YOU GOTTA GIVE HIM PROPS FOR WHAT HE IS DOING...... You dont consider Pacquiao to be a ATG?

I have to agree with most of this, apart from calling Clottey a mediocre fighter. He has the skills to be elite, but he has the wrong mentality, which will always hold him back I personally want Cotto to retire, hopefully he will after the Foreman fight. Yeah cotto got a tough break. A DAMN SHAME, ALL THE MORE REASON THAT I DONT WANT MARGARITO COMING BACK. HOW in the hell could you not know you have plaster?? there is only one way you wouldnt know you had plaster in yoru gloves, and thats if you always had plaster in yoru gloves!!!!! ohhh SHIT!!