Nacho Beristain: Top rank has made an "miserable" offer for pacquiao-marquez III

:lol1: So in one word, he called Mayweather - BORING. Damn, Nacho that's harsh. I think this is where the PED accusations are coming from. Pacquiao's performances have been spectacular and Mayweather is Mayweather. Throughout the entire article thats all he could point out...

BT: What’s after Juan Diaz? It was said that Amir Khan was mentioned but you shot the idea down. NB: I’m the one that said no. I don’t want him to take that fight because again, I insist, he is not a junior-welterweight. BT: How about a Ricky Hatton Vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight? NB: I think that would be tough to do because Hatton is not disciplined. In his fight against Mayweather he seemed tipsy and heavy. From here to September, if Hatton could make the weight, I like that fight at junior-welterweight and nothing more. :wtf: So in his first answer, was he imply that Khan isn't a JMW, because he's 5'10 BTW. Or was he talking about JMM in both answers, if so he f*cked up big time. Hahaha

LOL I thought I was the only one who caught that contradictory statement. Freakin hilarious. Nacho f*cked up.

NB: I’m inclined to pick Pacquiao because he’s the type of fighter that creates spectacular fights, he does not compromise to be spectacular, and also due to what I saw Shane Mosley do to Mayweather in the second round of their fight. I think it will be a spectacular, high tension fight; Pacquiao has very fast hands and hits very hard – great tools to have. Meanwhile Mayweather is always on the defensive and always takes the safest route, always short of spectacular. In that regard I don’t give Mayweather much credit. Sure he wins, but at what cost? For the people that pay for expensive tickets, it seems they are being shortchanged. He gives great lessons in boxing; no one will argue that, but very little spectacle and excitement. Nacho is a good trainer and the Marquez bros are two of my favorites but Nacho as a person seems like a bitter prick. I didn't like what he said about Pac and especially his disrespect towards Mayweather. This is Boxing, not brawling. What are you talking about he clearly recognizes floyds boxing skills how is he being bitter? just because he said floyd takes the safest route? I dont think anyone would argue that floyd was capable of doing more in this matches against oscar, baldo, shane, and Marquez. nacho is just making that observation which is very accurate about floyd dont know if I agree with his prediction

BT: What’s after Juan Diaz? It was said that Amir Khan was mentioned but you shot the idea down. NB: I’m the one that said no. I don’t want him to take that fight because again, I insist, he is not a junior-welterweight. BT: How about a Ricky Hatton Vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight? NB: I think that would be tough to do because Hatton is not disciplined. In his fight against Mayweather he seemed tipsy and heavy. From here to September, if Hatton could make the weight, I like that fight at junior-welterweight and nothing more. :wtf: LOL I thought I was the only one who caught that contradictory statement.

who fault is that? he is the one that called him out and he sure didn't have to take the fight if he thought Mayweather weight would be too big of an advantage, Mayweather at 135 would still beat JMM EASY, it was Mayweather style and speed that gave JMM problems Why in the world does it matter who's fault it was? "Not hard to do when you have a 3 weight class advantage and you fail making the agreed upon weight." ^^^ That is a fact.

Good article, Nacho definitely explained himself well enough to clear up some lingering thoughts behind his management, and camp.

Marquez shouldn't request anything more than 40 percent and nothing less than 30.

By Michael Gonzalez What are you expecting from Juan Diaz against your charge, Juan Manuel Marquez, in the rematch of last year’s fight of the year? " I’m expecting a spectacular fight due to having a fine fighter such as Juan Manuel who is a great boxer and the other fellow, Diaz, who is also a good fighter. It’s a natural combination that will make for a great fight. BT: How is Marquez looking in training camp? NB: For it being the beginning of our preparation, he’s looking good. BT: How is he reacting to coming down in weight from welterweight to lightweight? NB: He has always been a lightweight or better yet a super-featherweight. Somewhere, somehow, someone put the idea in his head to go welterweight and super-welterweight and I don’t believe he should compete at those weights. BT: What’s after Juan Diaz? It was said that Amir Khan was mentioned but you shot the idea down. NB: I’m the one that said no. I don’t want him to take that fight because again, I insist, he is not a junior-welterweight. BT: It’s been mentioned Marquez still wants the rubber match with Manny Pacquiao? NB: We haven’t mentioned anything. It’s Pacquiao that has the thorn in his side and the rock in his shoe. He will leave boxing knowing that the people who follow boxing, who are experts in boxing, know he was never able to defeat Juan Manuel Marquez. BT: So that’s something you would jump at? NB: Well, they’ve already offered the fight. BT: Really, they made an offer? NB: Nothing official. But we did get an offer from the people at Top Rank Promotions, however, it was a miserable deal and I won’t accept that type of offer under any circumstances. BT: That’s something I wanted to get into. No one will argue your prowess or hall of fame credentials as a trainer. However, as a manager many in the boxing community have questioned your calls; such as passing up $750,000 for a mega-fight with “Prince” Naseem Hamed for $30,000 against a relative unknown at the time Chris John in his backyard, Indonesia. NB: Not true. Most of the information you find in articles, I believe, is done as a mandate or perhaps they receive a salary from Top Rank. That fight that we took in Indonesia was not just because I wanted to take it. They are placing the blame on me and I never wanted that fight. It’s just that the people don’t understand that we entered a purse bid and they set a trap for us. After we entered into the purse bid, everyone bailed out and they left us alone. It’s a detail that will stay with me for the rest of my life; not everything in boxing is clean. They withdrew from the bidding and left us on our own and we had a commitment to fulfill. It’s a commitment I absolutely did not want. If we did not follow through with our commitment, we would have come off as very cowardly. And Juan Manuel told me, “Let’s go, no problem.” And they robbed us. They did whatever they pleased at the hour of reckoning. They did not let us use the Mexican gloves, and well, it’s just too much to get into, too much to try to convince the people. Many people intervened to try and destroy the career of Juan Manuel because we did not want to continue with the promoter (Top Rank) that we had at the time. But no one, nowhere, when there is a great champion in a division can impede that they once again become champion of the world. They took his titles in total gangster fashion and we unfortunately did not have the resources to engage in a legal battle we would have easily won. It was everything boxing shouldn’t be; a fighter losing his titles at a desk. BT: How do you see the Floyd Mayweather, Jr Vs Manny Pacquiao fight playing out if it ever happens? NB: I’m inclined to pick Pacquiao because he’s the type of fighter that creates spectacular fights, he does not compromise to be spectacular, and also due to what I saw Shane Mosley do to Mayweather in the second round of their fight. I think it will be a spectacular, high tension fight; Pacquiao has very fast hands and hits very hard – great tools to have. Meanwhile Mayweather is always on the defensive and always takes the safest route, always short of spectacular. In that regard I don’t give Mayweather much credit. Sure he wins, but at what cost? For the people that pay for expensive tickets, it seems they are being shortchanged. He gives great lessons in boxing; no one will argue that, but very little spectacle and excitement. BT: Michael Katsidis has been telling the press that Juan Manuel Marquez is ducking him. NB: It’s not that we’re ducking him or don’t want to give him a chance, it just doesn’t make sense. Marquez is fighter that charges 1.5 million to 2 million dollars to fight and then they mention Katsidis for 1 million dollars. Marquez is at a point in his career where he will not take fights for short money. BT: What are your thoughts on this weekend’s Rafael Marquez Vs Israel Vazquez fight? You obviously know both fighters well. NB: I think Marquez will win. I’ll even go as far as to say that Marquez hasn’t lost any of the three fights. Something very strange happened in the second and third fight. The refs for that fight were very tendentious. In the second fight Vazquez’ face was an awful mess, in the aftermath we learned that Vazquez lost an eye (Note: detached retina). In the third fight the ref seemed a bit inpatient and partial to Vazquez. I believe it is because someone in Vazquez’ team has great influence with the California State Athletic Commission. And that’s been the story of a great trilogy that garnered the attention and admiration of the boxing community due to the great fights they have given us. However, this time I anticipate a short fight that won’t even make it to the seventh round. BT: How much do you believe Rafael Marquez has left? NB: Me personally, as a manager, believe they should both cash their check and hang’em up. They both came out of these fights very damaged, Vazquez more than Marquez. They’re both worn out and have completed this portion of their life. However, sometimes the ambition of the promoters causes them turn a blind eye to these matters because of the money involved. BT: Also on the card Abner Mares, your former charge, takes on Yohnny Perez. Your thoughts? NB: I think they’re underestimating the quality of Perez. I’ve only seen him fight three times, but in one of those fights he convinced me because he fought the last four rounds very valiantly and rescued a fight he was losing. Those four rounds he fought valiantly, throwing very good combinations. I feel he has everything physically while Mares, with all of his great qualities as a fighter, lacks the physical strength required to fight twelve full rounds. He’s a quality fighter, but he has a problem with one of his eyes and I believe that may be the difference. It would be very sad because Mares is a great kid who is very disciplined. BT: How about a Ricky Hatton Vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight? NB: I think that would be tough to do because Hatton is not disciplined. In his fight against Mayweather he seemed tipsy and heavy. From here to September, if Hatton could make the weight, I like that fight at junior-welterweight and nothing more. BT: Tell us about the state of Mexican boxing? NB: Well, I can tell you that Mexican boxing is so generous that I have three Mexican fighters scheduled for world championship fights. And we also have former world champ Jhonny Gonzalez, who has five straight knockouts at featherweight and has been looking good, in the hunt for another world title. I also have thirteen or fourteen young amateurs who have been looking good and have been generating a buzz about them. They have demonstrated a lot quality. BT: You once told me you have a heavyweight you were high on… NB: I do. He put his education on hold to focus on boxing and he won the Golden Gloves in New York and came in third in the international tournament they hold in Kansas. However, his mother was pressuring him to finish school and he returned to do so. He has since told me he will receive his degree this year and then focus on boxing. We plan on testing him for a year in America and then go from there. BT: What’s his name? NB: Miguel Angel Tavera. BT: Closing thoughts? NB: The Romanza Gym will continue to give the boxing world lots to talk about. I believe we will very soon have our eighteenth and nineteenth champion of the world. I want send my warmest regards to the entire boxing community and especially the friends I left in Sacramento, CA. Vicente Escobedo and his brothers have been great friends of mine. Vicente is a very disciplined, very correct young man that any trainer would love to have. I never think of the hall of fame, I leave it to the people whose job it is to decide that. I’ve had seventeen great satisfactions (world champions) so far that have overwhelmed me with joy. I feel this is sufficient happiness to keep me from even thinking of the next. I’ve been blessed. Nice article very informative. Thanks for the hook up.

I kind of hate defending Amir Khan and I know that GBP was screwing JMM out of the money that he deserved for that fight, but I think JMM would've went into another direction regardless. Nacho admitted that he didn't think JMM is capable of beating Khan even though he didn't exactly word it that way. Screw you Wazaa.

beristain is a great trainer but a horrible manager. he almost single handedly derailed marquez career with horrible management choices. he has been doing this since his days with ricardo lopez. that's why abner mare left his domineering ass. great trainer, horrible manager. that's why the 2 jobs are always best left separate to different people. bullshit, nacho was never mares' manager, nacho dumped mares, because he betrayed his camp and signed espinoza as his manager, nacho hates espinoza, because he believes his california connections gave vazquez(who is managed by espinoza) the advantage in the third marquez fight...... dont type like you know what the **** is up.....and nacho here gives a completely plausible reason about one of his most controversial moves, taking the john fight, top rank is clearly at fault there, they threw JMM under the bus, simple as that.....

yeah right, had it been a serious then no way would it escape the newsrooms here in pinas. It wasn't serious, maybe arum was just using it as a leverage or something. Yeah, he gave him a bullshit offer to make it seem like he tried to make a fight with JMM instead of rushing to get the fight done with Clottey. He probably gave him a bullshit offer and told him to take it or leave it because he was going to find someone else. I feel bad for JMM because he keeps getting **** over by everyone including GBP. That's why I don't blame him for fighting Floyd and making millions because he would still be fighting on HBO. GBP threw him in there with Floyd just to make money instead of looking out for his career.

I think they contacted him before the Clottey fight was made and another time GBP asked for 50/50 and OSDT for the fight. It wasn't a serious offer because Arum would rather have Manny fight TR fighters and keep the money in house. JMM is not turning down a serious offer from Manny and Arum especially when he's been begging Manny for a fight.yeah right, had it been a serious then no way would it escape the newsrooms here in pinas. It wasn't serious, maybe arum was just using it as a leverage or something.

I haven't read that one but by the way you put it , it seems it wasn't a serious offer at all so it's equivalent to no offer being offered at all. I think they contacted him before the Clottey fight was made and another time GBP asked for 50/50 and OSDT for the fight. It wasn't a serious offer because Arum would rather have Manny fight TR fighters and keep the money in house. JMM is not turning down a serious offer from Manny and Arum especially when he's been begging Manny for a fight.

Arum did contact JMM and GBP earlier this year about a fight. Pac is not going to give him a serious offer because the fight is too much of a risk for Pac and very little reward. He gains nothing by beating JMM at anything over 135, but could lose leverage against Floyd and hurt his legacy by losing to JMM.I haven't read that one but by the way you put it , it seems it wasn't a serious offer at all so it's equivalent to no offer being offered at all.

He can forget about it, what i'm saing is that team pac ain't giving no offer to juan manuel. I see this as a ploy by team marquez to use pac's name to promote his fight against diaz. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, all I'm saying is ...damn I don't even know what hell I'm saying LOL. Arum did contact JMM and GBP earlier this year about a fight. Pac is not going to give him a serious offer because the fight is too much of a risk for Pac and very little reward. He gains nothing by beating JMM at anything over 135, but could lose leverage against Floyd and hurt his legacy by losing to JMM.

Duh. Do you really think JMM would reject a fair offer from Manny? Lol. JMM would fight Manny for 4-5M.He can forget about it, what i'm saing is that team pac ain't giving no offer to juan manuel. I see this as a ploy by team marquez to use pac's name to promote his fight against diaz. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, all I'm saying is ...damn I don't even know what hell I'm saying LOL.

Juan Manuel is now a GBP fighter so how the hell can nacho expect a good offer from top rank who has not treated him well when he was still it's fighter? He even went to Indonesia for a fight against John for a measly sum and he even lost. Now, is nacho saying that top rank must give juan manuel a good offer to fight pac for the third time? Duh. Do you really think JMM would reject a fair offer from Manny? Lol. JMM would fight Manny for 4-5M.

Juan Manuel is now a GBP fighter so how the hell can nacho expect a good offer from top rank who has not treated him well when he was still it's fighter? He even went to Indonesia for a fight against John for a measly sum and he even lost. Now, is nacho saying that top rank must give juan manuel a good offer to fight pac for the third time?

I thought I was the only one that caught that. lol. He's pretty much saying the same thing I said earlier in the week. JMM would fight at 140 for the right amount of money and the right opponent. JMM has no chance at beating the top guys at 140. He can beat some of the other guys at 140 like Paulie, Hatton, Campbell, etc.