Ray Robinson Or Roy Jones Jr. Who Was More Skilled

Look up him vs sammy angott george cliff tony freddie valentine andy nonnels and tony ancona Dykes,same obsolete tech and flaws as the older one that fought gene/jake/joey and others,novices compared to 70s-90s

Robinson was the more technical of the two, but Roy Jones did things that are impossible for most other men. He had more natural physical talent than any other man Ive ever seen and the rules of what works in the ring and what doesn't didn't apply to him.

Its really hard to say. Id say just boxing skill period would to Robinson, but Roy is one of the most athletically gifted boxers iv ever seen.

Depends on your definition of "skill". As far as learned technique and the fundamentals, Robinson was definitely better than Jones. Jones arguably the most natural athleticism of any boxer however. I just don't think of Jones's speed, power and reflexes as learned skill. Obviously he had to train a lot to master his abilities but he was definitely gifted and the average person wouldn't ever be able to box like he does. Robinson was much more of a technician than Jones ever was.

I can't stand when people do this shit. You disagree with anything about Sugar Ray Robinson being the best and people automatically assume "Oh you just don't like those old school fights or you haven't seen them HERE WATCH THESE!!!!" I've seen all the Sugar Ray Robinson videos I could find. Fullmer, Turpin Lamotta, I spend a good three months updating myself on whatever videos came up. I STILL believe in his Prime Roy Jones Jr. is the most skilled fighter to ever exist.

Why people confuse flashyness with skills?? I dont understand!! Anyways SRR was more skilled than RJJ. Roy was more athletic, but that is not a skill thats a atribute, like Maidana's toughness or Gatti's heart! SRR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RJJ this is the correct response, end of thread...

We don't have any vids of Ray Robinson in his prime. That being said.........I refuse to believe ANY human being was more skilled than Roy Jones Jr. in his prime. In his Prime RJJ is the most skilled fighter of all time. Power, Speed, Timing, Quickness, Fast hands, Speed like a lightweight and punching power like a Heavyweight. Most skilled EVER.

Roy with out dudes

I'm not getting your logic. There are different body types, my friend, I do hope you realize that, because I can not understand your argument. Tyson at 15 weighed over 180 pounds solid. Roy at 15, even if he were 5'11, probably weighed only 120-130 pounds. Tyson was just a naturally big person - and he never put on any weight through weight training. His routine was eat whatever I want, run, calisthenics, and box - that's it. He was not an artificial heavyweight, he was a natural. A boxers height has nothing to do with what their natural weight is. Tyson would find it difficult to fight in any weight class outside of heavy. He might be ok at CW but he'd be drained at LHW. If you're going to take things out of context and try to twist concepts around into ridiculous claims then there is no debating with you. It's you who has taken my statements out of context, now twice in this thread. The first time I ridiculed the logic of another poster for criticizing Robinson for his losses to Pender and Giardello when he was 40+ years old, so I brought up Jones's meaningless losses to Danny Green and Joe Calzaghe. For me, none of those losses matter. This time another poster was criticizing Robinson for not fighting at light heavyweight/heavyweight like Jones, even though Robinson was clearly the smaller man in weight (prime weight 20 lbs below Jones's) despite the similar height. Caballero, Robinson, Jones & Tyson may be the same height, but Caballero is a 122 lb man, Robinson was a 147 lb man, Jones was a 168 lb man and Tyson was a 220 lb man. There are no height classes in boxing but weight classes.

LOL @ all these idiots, how did RAy robinson have more skill? all of you are idiots who think any old school fighter can compete with a prime RJJR. The only reason you say Ray Rob is to try to prove your boxing knowledge your an idiot!!! pick up RJJR vs james toney---- or RJJR vs Clinton Woods and tell me if SRR could have done that to them? Thats Right!!! END BIathces

Wazaa i recommend you watch a few of Ray Robinsons fights......cause you are fukking delusional go to youtube and watch Robinson's fights with Lamotta, Basillio, Turpin and Fullmer than come back here and tell us what you think Also TS......Ray Robinson's prime was at Welterweight and there is very little footage of him fighting at welterweight so how can we purely judge him in his prime??? Anyways.......Wazaa watch this LOL @ all these idiots, how did RAy robinson have more skill? all of you are idiots who think any old school fighter can compete with a prime RJJR. The only reason you say Ray Rob is to try to prove your boxing knowledge your an idiot!!! pick up RJJR vs james toney---- or RJJR vs Clinton Woods and tell me if SRR could have done that to them?

Celestino Caballero who fights at 122 lbs is also 5'11, he is nothing unless he goes up to the heavyweight division. Tyson was 5'11, he must be greater than Jones pound for pound since he was a dominant heavyweight. I'm not getting your logic. There are different body types, my friend, I do hope you realize that, because I can not understand your argument. Tyson at 15 weighed over 180 pounds solid. Roy at 15, even if he were 5'11, probably weighed only 120-130 pounds. Tyson was just a naturally big person - and he never put on any weight through weight training. His routine was eat whatever I want, run, calisthenics, and box - that's it. He was not an artificial heavyweight, he was a natural. A boxers height has nothing to do with what their natural weight is. Tyson would find it difficult to fight in any weight class outside of heavy. He might be ok at CW but he'd be drained at LHW. If you're going to take things out of context and try to twist concepts around into ridiculous claims then there is no debating with you.

so does that mean robinson's skills could be thought? it looks alot like robinson fought mostly on athleticism just didn't posses as much abilities as roy jones, lucky for his chin roy got ko'd by bigger men, 6'1, power punching big men in their natural class while roy was out of his had he stayed down in the lower classes where he was stronger than everyone, was considered a power puncher, he would've lasted very much longer that's hopkins and robinsons legacy, fighting little people Of course you could teach a boxer to box like Robinson. Today's fighters have a lot to learn from him. The average boxer may not possess his speed but they'd do well enough with his footwork, feinting, punching technique, parrying. Vernon Forrest said he patterned himself based on Robinson's style. Robinson fought middleweights who were bigger than him in size, outweighing him by up to 15 pounds. Jones was no smaller than the average light heavyweight, for example Glen Johnson.

Prime for prime, Robinson was way ahead of his time and more skilled.

What skills? Going against the ropes and taking a drubbing? Keeping hands at the waist and using reflexes to avoid punches at 35? Throwing combinations at insane speed that would be impossible for the average boxer? If Tarver vs Jones was a match between fundamental boxing without speed, power and reflexes taken into account, Tarver would have had an easy time. This is not an insult at Jones, as boxing does include athleticism, but there's a difference between natural ability and learned skill. You can't teach anybody to fight like Jones. What he had was more than simple technique, he had natural ability and was extremely smart about the way he utilized his talents, unlike many other talented but less successful fighters who let their talent go to waste. I'm not saying the man didn't have skills, but he was not exactly a "technician" either. Robinson was much more so, using his jabbing to set up his power punches and combinations, feinting to create an opening (Jones's feinting wasn't very impressive against Montell Griffin the first time), parrying punches unlike Jones who would simply dodge them, which he got away with in his prime, always having his feet set to punch with full leverage and never going against the ropes. He could fight it out in close and box from a distance. Now Robinson wasn't the most fundamental boxer either, he preferred to take the fight to his opponents with his speed and power and looked for the knockout at all times, and only rarely was forced to go on his "bicycle" to avoid being hit if he was physically overmatched, for example in the Joey Maxim fight. Robinson's technical skills did allow him to fight up to his 40's successfully while we know that Jones was never the same after age 34, continuing to box with his unique style but far less successfully than in his dominating prime. so does that mean robinson's skills could be thought? it looks alot like robinson fought mostly on athleticism just didn't posses as much abilities as roy jones, lucky for his chin swear your sayin roy never set up a punch with the jab, which he did, along with feints of his which were very affective roy got ko'd by bigger men, 6'1, power punching big men in their natural class while roy was out of his had he stayed down in the lower classes where he was stronger than everyone, was considered a power puncher, he would've lasted very much longer that's hopkins and robinsons legacy, fighting little people

robinson and jones were both 5'11, i would love to see robinson move up to heavyweight considering he was overpowered by lamotta, roy was probabley twice as strong too :) Celestino Caballero who fights at 122 lbs is also 5'11, he is nothing unless he goes up to the heavyweight division. Tyson was 5'11, he must be greater than Jones pound for pound since he was a dominant heavyweight. Robinson was naturally 147 lbs at the time when fighters were weighed in at the day of the fight. Jones's best weight was 168 lbs, and he came into the fights at closer to 180 pounds. There's atleast a 20 pound difference in weight between the two and their careers shouldn't be directly compared to each other. Robinson weighed 144 lbs when he lost to 160+ lb Jake LaMotta. He beat LaMotta 5 times out of 6. Building weight is also far easier today than 50-60 years ago.

robinson and jones were both 5'11, i would love to see robinson move up to heavyweight considering he was overpowered by lamotta, roy was probabley twice as strong too :) Sorry but jones move to heavyweight wouldnt have been possible in rays era. Some say it isnt possible now.(without help)

floyd more flashier than robinson? ray would leap with a left hook and double it up floyddoes'nt waste any movements, everything is for a reason and sometimes his fights will become boring due to that seriously, people will overrate the guy because of the "GOAT" ranking he holds like "robinson could do it al, he was perfect, best fighter of all time" robinson got tagged alot, his headmovement was virtually non-existent his jab is also not on par with jones's or floyds jones and floyd just didn't/don't get hit i know it's just your opinion but as much as robinson has had a great career and how legendary his achievements are etc, we should'nt overrate him so much Robinson Could deliver a Knockout Punch going back..And by the way..The term 'Pound for Pound' was created for him..

robinson and jones were both 5'11, i would love to see robinson move up to heavyweight considering he was overpowered by lamotta, roy was probabley twice as strong too :)

Roy's diminished skills had more to do with the fact that he moved up throughout his career and claimed the highest possible title of HW. You can't put on 30 pounds of muscle and take it off without breaking your body down to the point where you will never fully recover and be yourself. If you can't pull the trigger you can't pull the trigger. Robinson also started fighting at 135 pounds and had been off from boxing for 3 years before making his comeback at 35. He still regained the middleweight title 3 times and was highly competitive until 40+ years of age. Jones simply couldn't get away with the things he could get away with in his prime: 1:55 2:30 7:20