Blood testing what is Fair and what is not for Pac?

yea and now all the sudden thread starter is crying that Jmm is a steroid user

wow,what crap

Instead of testing pacquiao before the fight what about straight after the fight? Would you want to know if the woman you're having unprotected sex with has aids before or after the sex?

Instead of testing pacquiao before the fight what about straight after the fight? Not a good idea. If he was using roids, he wouldn't get popped until after they've fought. Also, masking agents.

Instead of testing pacquiao before the fight what about straight after the fight?

We're talking about 12 days before the fight here, not the same day. Pacquiao's reasoning is bullshit. Floyd cleaning up the sport is bullshit. The reason is mindgames, nothing else. And possibly a little concern that Pac might be juicing. Geez can't your read? I said the importance of your gear even in training. My analogy is to every professional they want their gear in good working condition wether practice or the real event itself. Hope you can understand in your thick head of yours the importance of having your gear or in this case your arms for a boxer should be in tip top form even in practice.

Just want to add. Lets say a surgeon had a shaky hands would you want to get operated by him. If you are a pianist and your arms are swollen and aching would you like to perform in front of a big stage? If your in a gun shooting tournament and your arm is swollen will you want to go there and still hope you can do your best? etc.. My point is your saying that having an injection won't really bother boxer is a false assessment. Having a swollen aching arm will defintely hamper training and performance for a big fight. A professional would always want his gear working in order wether in practice or in a stage or in a surgical room. It is like a soldier with a malfunctioning gun. Would you carry a gun in battlefield knowing it will miss fire? Ofcourse not you need the best weapom to keep you alive and have the confidence to win. Comprende hehe:lol1: We're talking about 12 days before the fight here, not the same day. Pacquiao's reasoning is bullshit. Floyd cleaning up the sport is bullshit. The reason is mindgames, nothing else. And possibly a little concern that Pac might be juicing.

These kids on these forums know nothing about blood tests and how it affects everyone differently. Why try explaining that to morons? They are fruity deeping their mouths with there favorite fighters to listen to logic.

You won't see me defending Floyd's demand. This discussion is about the effects of blood testing, not whether or not Floyd should be in position to demand them. Just want to add. Lets say a surgeon had a shaky hands would you want to get operated by him. If you are a pianist and your arms are swollen and aching would you like to perform in front of a big stage? If your in a gun shooting tournament and your arm is swollen will you want to go there and still hope you can do your best? etc.. My point is your saying that having an injection won't really bother boxer is a false assessment. Having a swollen aching arm will defintely hamper training and performance for a big fight. A professional would always want his gear working in order wether in practice or in a stage or in a surgical room. It is like a soldier with a malfunctioning gun. Would you carry a gun in battlefield knowing it will miss fire? Ofcourse not you need the best weapom to keep you alive and have the confidence to win. Comprende hehe:lol1:

Geez I don't know what to say to that. You just one narrow minded guy lol keep on hugging Floyd Mayweather's balls ever so tightly :luvbed: You won't see me defending Floyd's demand. This discussion is about the effects of blood testing, not whether or not Floyd should be in position to demand them.

It's not uncommon, or surprising, for a fighter to look around for excuses in order to justify in his mind why he lost a fight. Pacquiao may have manifested himself a physical and mental problem in regard to giving blood due to his loss against Morales. It isn't real, in the same way that red gloves hurts you easier than yellow ones. Impossible scenario, though. One of these fighters will go into the fight less than 100% mentally, regardless of testing or not. It might be the guy who was hurt bad in the last fight, or it might the guy who read an unfavourable analysis by Steve Kim. Impossible to know before-hand who's gonna have the edge in mental sharpness, but one will always have it. Right now it's Floyd. I have taken blood numerous times, including the full stuff recently with 3 vials full of blood. It doesn't matter physically, you don't notice it. And even if it hypothetically did, it would affect the other fighter exactly the same since both fighters would be subjected to the exact same test. The stuff you say about the arm being stiff and swollen is irrelevant, really. Your arm will be stiff and swollen after a training session, so it's not like stiff muscles will be something new to a fighter. Well, Mayweather was also affected. He would never have been hurt by those punches if it wasn't for the blood testing!! See? Ridiculous argument. Mosley was breathing with his mouth open against Cotto in the 5th round too. Mosley is tight and spends alot of energy bouncing up and down and moving his hands in circles without actually doing anything. He got tighter against Mayweather because every time he launched forward to punch, a hard counter-punch was coming back at him. So he got more cautious and more tense. And wore himself out being scared of counter punches. He looked that way against Cotto too. Nothing was different about Mosley against Floyd. Mosley looked good against a slow fighter who can't counter punch. Mosley looked shit against a Cotto who counter-punched him. Guess what? Mosley looked shit against the best counter-puncher in the sport. Weird, huh? You're twisting this to the opposite. If you know you don't have aids, you won't bother about it. Most likely you will take a test to prove people wrong. Manny won't. Most people would put away their fobia for 20+ million $. Manny won't. :lol1: Geez I don't know what to say to that. You just one narrow minded guy lol keep on hugging Floyd Mayweather's balls ever so tightly :luvbed:

0 Days gets the fight done now.

Pacman doesn't completely refuse random blood testing. He did blood testing for Hatton, Morales,Delahoya etc. He even offered wants blood testing right after the fight in the locker room. He doesn't want blood test close to the fight because he has lost once from morales fight 1, where the Nevada athletic committee lost his blood test, and had to blood test him a day before the actual fight with morales. Plus the fact that he wasn't able to use his gloves because morales insisted they both use the winnings pillow gloves not the cletto reyes punchers gloves, and the bloody cut made him lose the fight. We all know the next two fights with morales was a breeze. So knowing that experience in the past that it happened to him before he doesn't want that to happen again. Its a stigma that can effect his mental frame of mind going into a big fight. Especially a big fight like Pac vs. MayweatherIt's not uncommon, or surprising, for a fighter to look around for excuses in order to justify in his mind why he lost a fight. Pacquiao may have manifested himself a physical and mental problem in regard to giving blood due to his loss against Morales. It isn't real, in the same way that red gloves hurts you easier than yellow ones. He believes he is weakened by it. Wether it is physical or mental. It is enough to be unconfident going into a big fight. Do you want an 80% pac going into a fight with mayweather? Don't you want Pacman and Mayweather fighting in their best form? If Pac is not in his 100% mindset going into the fight don't you think its not what we fans would want?Impossible scenario, though. One of these fighters will go into the fight less than 100% mentally, regardless of testing or not. It might be the guy who was hurt bad in the last fight, or it might the guy who read an unfavourable analysis by Steve Kim. Impossible to know before-hand who's gonna have the edge in mental sharpness, but one will always have it. Right now it's Floyd. Have you guys ever taken blood before? Some military men squirm just getting blood, like little kids. And if you watch 24/7 mosely mayweather when mosely was taken blood. There were 3 vials full of blood not the droplet or the teaspoon that they where talking about. Getting blood can pop a vain. And you all know boxer needs their arms to work perfectly. Especially in training. How can you train if your arm is sore from the injection that happened. Getting a blood test will stiffen your muscles. So how can pac train? when a guy like him relies on speed to win fights? Have you tried bending your arm back in forth after a blood test your muscles in your arms are stiff and swollen.I have taken blood numerous times, including the full stuff recently with 3 vials full of blood. It doesn't matter physically, you don't notice it. And even if it hypothetically did, it would affect the other fighter exactly the same since both fighters would be subjected to the exact same test. The stuff you say about the arm being stiff and swollen is irrelevant, really. Your arm will be stiff and swollen after a training session, so it's not like stiff muscles will be something new to a fighter. People are saying mosely wasn't affected with the blood testing during the mayweather fight. How can people say that when he surely gassed out and lost the fight?? Just on the 5th round alone his mouth was already open (watch it again if you don't believe me). Could be from being old or too much blood testing 8 times to be exact. ( we all know Mosely looked good against margarito. He had power stamina endurance. His mouth wasn't open for the whole 12 rounds. ) Well, Mayweather was also affected. He would never have been hurt by those punches if it wasn't for the blood testing!! See? Ridiculous argument. Mosley was breathing with his mouth open against Cotto in the 5th round too. Mosley is tight and spends alot of energy bouncing up and down and moving his hands in circles without actually doing anything. He got tighter against Mayweather because every time he launched forward to punch, a hard counter-punch was coming back at him. So he got more cautious and more tense. And wore himself out being scared of counter punches. Which leads you to think at 37 y.o. fighting margario, he could have been aided with peds to be that good after all, we have reason to believe he was on one before. He is an admitted user. So if comparing mosely performance in both margarito mayweather fight. You can truly see that Mosely was a different fighter that night against mayweather, wether it is the blood testing, his age, or no peds to help him. He really looked gassed out after the 4th round. Thus showed that he really has no business in the ring @ 38.He looked that way against Cotto too. Nothing was different about Mosley against Floyd. Mosley looked good against a slow fighter who can't counter punch. Mosley looked shit against a Cotto who counter-punched him. Guess what? Mosley looked shit against the best counter-puncher in the sport. Weird, huh? Just to add again. If someone told you you had Aids how would you feel without any proof? Multiply that to a thousand people telling you you have aids even without proof how would you feel? Your being crucifed without any proof. Best bet is to protect yourself right? People have no right to give false accusation it hurts any person mentally.You're twisting this to the opposite. If you know you don't have aids, you won't bother about it. Most likely you will take a test to prove people wrong. Manny won't. Some people have fobias with needles, blood, spiders etc.. So you can't say just because your not, there is no one who is mentally affected by that. These are just my thoughts that people should also understand about this issues.Most people would put away their fobia for 20+ million $. Manny won't. :lol1:

An Oscar award for the excuse regarding the Morales bout. :lol1:

dumb tards................. hahhaa so ur still here hows your japanese chick????

dumb tards................. Manny Pacquiao = Fighter Of The Decade Floyd Mayweather = Very Jealous Of It

im not sure if you believe in facts and logic but if you do the entire arguement is ended in this, mosley beat the commission tests and was never caught until he admitted in court. That pretty much sums up the state of the doping commissions.

Good thread :boxing:

Floyd said 40 have tired and 40 have fail. Suddenly when it came to Pacquiao who is easier then Marquez,' you must take OSDT or no fight'. Malignaggi : If Pacquiao beat Cotto than he's the best fighter ever Pacquiao beat Cotto = Malignaggi : Pacquiao is one PED...LOL Jealous guido, thats all he is. Guido going to get his ass beat by a fighter with a glass chin. :lol1:

Floyd said 40 have tired and 40 have fail. Suddenly when it came to Pacquiao who is easier then Marquez,' you must take OSDT or no fight'. Malignaggi : If Pacquiao beat Cotto than he's the best fighter ever Pacquiao beat Cotto = Malignaggi : Pacquiao is one PED...LOL