What were the general feelings about his comment,"floyd is only asking for tests because he doesn't want the fight or he is building an alibi in case he loses." He said if floyd had any evidence to take it to the commission or else drop the request.
What were the general feelings about his comment,"floyd is only asking for tests because he doesn't want the fight or he is building an alibi in case he loses." He said if floyd had any evidence to take it to the commission or else drop the request.
This old bastard will need some more vodka, cause Floyd ain't gonna lose. I'm sure Larry is in a deep depression since he saw his roided hero getting schooled by Floyd.
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I think its spot on, sounds like a duck to me if he had no solid basis to ask this guy specifically for extra test as opposed other fighters before none of which were given a great chance of beating Floyd unlike Pac......seems like a bit more than a coincidence.
Maybe he didn't think the other fighters were cheating. And plenty of Mayweather opponents had a chance to beat him. Including Mosley. It's that simple.
I or no one knows what Floyd is and was thinking so there is no logic to analyze. I think he may have tried different things to get out of it and this was just one and if Manny accepted he may have found something else but thats just speculation.
All we have to analyze is a fight that was ready and for some unexplained reason Floyd NOT PAC created a needless problem and now there is no fight. Sure he can ask but Manny can refuse so we move on and get it done.
Sure he couldn't have known exactly what Pac's initial reaction was but he has now for months been made aware and its a no go, "special Floyd rules" as far as Manny is concerned is not happening so by not dropping the demands its a duck in my view.
So floyd just guessed right. Cmon man please.
But this where you are WRONG! The inital request wasn't the problem. The timing of when it would cease was. Manny, by everyone's admission agreed to testing then backed off when he found out there was no cutoff. Thats not opinion thats fact.
So now that he knows Pac wont accept OST he should drop the demands? So if floyd says he wont agree to the 10 mil and glove size then its Manny's fault and he should drop those requests?
Wow!
His skills have improved thats all, he is more fluid and accurate. This can create the illusion of more speed and who is to say exactly how powerful he was, hitting bigger slower guys with ease and with more frequency can create a greater chance for a ko too.
Like I said I don't know what Floyd knew or was thinking, this is fact, there was no problem, Floyd creates one for whatever reason, now we have no fight, thus Floyd is at fault and I can only guess why he would kill the fight.
I think personally he saw the beating Cotto got and second guessed his ability.
I think personally he saw the beating Cotto got and second guessed his ability. Lets say you are correct. How does floyd asking for PED's cancel the fight unless he knows ahead of time? If he knew this, the only way he would is if manny or his representative specifically says we will not take OST. Can we at least agree on this?
Look, I'm trying to analyze the logic here. Floyd has a right to ask for anything just like Manny did.Its like you are implying How dare floyd ask a great man like Manny to take tests? I'm just trying to get a straight answer to the following question:
Your logic implies that floyd knows this is the one thing that would anger Manny and only brought it up to duck him. Does that really make sense to you?
floyd needs to just shut up and fight manny pacquaio no matter how good these boxers are today who does he think he is ? enough with the allegations of manny possibly using Ped's already!!! floyd mayweather is a awesome boxer and the same for the pacman but since when does the athlete or boxer change the rules for any sport ? its time to put up or shut up for floyd mayweather..win..lose..or draw who cares just fight!!!
"If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
pac didn't get faster or more powerful. he's not stopping guys with one punch KO power. he's stopping them with his speed, angles, and volume punching.
if floyd threw as many punches as pac does, then he'd be winning by tKOs too.
I respectfully disagree about his speed and power.
Volume punching. Fairpoint. How has he been able to increase his workrate while getting heavier? He wasn't throwing this volume at lighter weights
Listen. Let all personal feelings about either fighter leave your mind, if that is possible. Can you tell me how, in any case, someone asking for drug testing in a sport where your life is on the line, would ever be SO questioned and criticized unless people were BIASED?
Larry Merchant is biased. Alot of people are. There are many reasons, but here is one of them: they simple do not care. They just want the fight soooo bad, like a little kid before Christmas, they just don't want the hype train ruined.
And that makes sense. Consider it. Larry Merchant almost gives off the impression of, "why do you have to be so difficult? why can't you let us have our fun? why can't you just let us enjoy this and act excited about it? why do you have to destroy our illusion?"
So, lets say one guy has a "genuine phobia of needles". Uhm, ok. AND SO WHAT. Your own personal, genuine phobia is irrelevant, no matter who you are- YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE TEST. If a guy has a phobia of blue shirts, should the ref be made to wear a red one because of it? Should everything change because of one person's personal phobias??
It's ludicrous. Something is fishy; all they've done is set Manny up to look like the most impressive fighter ever when he takes the test and proves them wrong. The fact that he wont is SUSPICIOUS. You just don't want to accept it. the fact that he'd take 6 million instead of 30 million is SUSPICIOUS. You just can't be honest.
Answer it honestly. If any man alive chose 6 mil instead of 30 mil so he wouldn't have to take a blood test, wouldn't you think it was suspicious? or would you say, "oh, that cat just doesn't like needles". Yeah.
That sounds really.... believeable.
Better yet, Pac fans say, "he"s an honerable man with morals". Or something to that effect. I say don't let your morals make you a damn fool !!! just take the test and do your thing...
Does the fact tha Pac has gotten faster and more powerful as he has moved up, which quite frankly has never happened in boxing, concern you in the least?
Great fighters move up but almost all have their ko% drop because they are hitting bigger guys. Manny is knocking out guys at 145 but couldn't kojmm at 130 or 135.
Just asking!
pac didn't get faster or more powerful. he's not stopping guys with one punch KO power. he's stopping them with his speed, angles, and volume punching.
if floyd threw as many punches as pac does, then he'd be winning by tKOs too.
No not at all because he has not really gotten faster than he was when fighting at 130, he is just cutting less weight or in this case no weight at all now and surely would feel better and stronger on FN after not going through that process.
That though has nothing to do with Floyd asking for the tests and why really because we don't know whats in Floyd's mind. There are no facts other than he initially started this whole mess and Pac could not have refused if he didn't ask.
Its all opinion which is what you were asking about in this thread anyway and if the fight doesn't happen I will be of the opinion that Floyd used this demand to duck Pac.....nothing anyone says will change my view on that.
He is faster almost everyone agrees.His ko % has increased. He is throwing more punches. That should be a concern. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just getting feedback.
Lets go with what you said real quick. why does the request have to stop the fight? How in the hell does floyd know that a request for drug testing cancels the fight unless Manny or his camp tells him. Can we agree on that?
Your logic implies that floyd knows this is the one thing that would anger Manny and only brought it up to duck him. Does that really make sense to you?
I think its spot on, sounds like a duck to me if he had no solid basis to ask this guy specifically for extra test as opposed other fighters before none of which were given a great chance of beating Floyd unlike Pac......seems like a bit more than a coincidence.
Does the fact tha Pac has gotten faster and more powerful as he has moved up, which quite frankly has never happened in boxing, concern you in the least?
Great fighters move up but almost all have their ko% drop because they are hitting bigger guys. Manny is knocking out guys at 145 but couldn't kojmm at 130 or 135.
Just asking!
Larry's the MAN!!! He always tell you the truth!! When he said youre BORING, he's telling the truth!!!
If he ever says Pac is dirty, keep this quote in mind.
c'mon, merchant didn't want rain on floyd's parade.
anyways... merchant is right. if floyd has some evidence, then take it to the commission.
you dont need evidence its the type of test should be there for every fight already
I think Floyd really thinks Pac is on PEDs, and that this is a testament to how good Pacquiao really is.
floyd needs to just shut up and fight manny pacquaio no matter how good these boxers are today who does he think he is ? enough with the allegations of manny possibly using Ped's already!!! floyd mayweather is a awesome boxer and the same for the pacman but since when does the athlete or boxer change the rules for any sport ? its time to put up or shut up for floyd mayweather..win..lose..or draw who cares just fight!!!
i think floyd has been very patient and tolerant of merchant over the years to be fair. i mean, whether WE like floyd or not, i think we can all agree that larry HATES floyd...
What were the general feelings about his comment,"floyd is only asking for tests because he doesn't want the fight or he is building an alibi in case he loses." He said if floyd had any evidence to take it to the commission or else drop the request.
Larry's the MAN!!! He always tell you the truth!! When he said youre BORING, he's telling the truth!!!