which one is it? is manny cheating or fights shot, weight-drained fighters?

Walking through Cotto's punches was a very PED like moment for Pac, see Floyd reacted in a non PED like fashion when Shane hit him, he had to grab and hold. PAC barely had a reaction to flush shots.

if you can remember, when did you start being suspicious of pac? When he and his team began fabricating excuses, lying, and contradicting themselves about why Pacquiao couldn't and wouldn't take the test. People attempt to place the blame on Floyd Sr., but the whispers have existed for some time. It was Pac and his team that gave the accusations life.

It isn't about being impressive, it's about how he's beating fighters, and further suspicion arose when he became so adamantly opposed to USADA testing methods. I didn't say he wasn't impressive. I said he fights shot and weight drained fighters, which is a known fact, as admissions have come directly from the mouth of his trainer. if you can remember, when did you start being suspicious of pac?

i believe a guy is innocent until any proof has presented itself, and the burden of proof lies on the accusers. you, on the other hand believe otherwise. Again, this isn't the court of law. This is the court of public opinion. Unfortunately for your argument, the same rules don't apply.

Then why are we having this discussion? i believe a guy is innocent until any proof has presented itself, and the burden of proof lies on the accusers. you, on the other hand believe otherwise.

im all for better testing... but as long as the commission and sanctioning bodies do not require it, then you can't blame the fighter for refusing it. you gotta blame the commision. yet, people here blame pac... Then why are we having this discussion?

its not impressive. if hatton is shot to a point, then anybody can knock him out, thus manny knocking him out in 2 is not impressive. eating through cotto's punches is not impressive if he is that damaged. it means shit.. sorry, you can't half-ass your way in it. It's impressive to me.

Then perhaps you should open your eyes and pay attention. So why are you complaining about Floyd implementing WADA protocols into the sport, as it pressures NSAC to improve their own policies? Yes. I'm for WADA policies for all professional sports, not just boxing. To me, this is bigger than Floyd and Pacquiao. im all for better testing... but as long as the commission and sanctioning bodies do not require it, then you can't blame the fighter for refusing it. you gotta blame the commision. yet, people here blame pac...

So let me get this straight. You don't believe knocking out Hatton and eating Cotto's punches without ill affect is impressive? Why do you assume I care about legacies and who's considered greater than whom? Newsflash buddy, that's irrelevant to me. Furthermore, you're far to caught up in this "Floyd fan vs. Pac fan" nonsense. Floyd isn't even my favorite fighter. its not impressive. if hatton is shot to a point, then anybody can knock him out, thus manny knocking him out in 2 is not impressive. eating through cotto's punches is not impressive if he is that damaged. it means shit.. sorry, you can't half-ass your way in it.

i was here way before you buddy.... i was here when a user named DOMAIN was making creatine threads. :lol1: as for guys saying NSAC should improve, im the one who is probably most vocal about it. most don't give a shit. where were you before floyd asked for the testing? have you been pushing for OST all this time? Then perhaps you should open your eyes and pay attention. So why are you complaining about Floyd implementing WADA protocols into the sport, as it pressures NSAC to improve their own policies? Yes. I'm for WADA policies for all professional sports, not just boxing. To me, this is bigger than Floyd and Pacquiao.

Why shouldn't he? Mosely and Floyd took the test. Usuain Bolt, Sydney Crosby, LeBron James, Michael Phelps, and a plethora of other world class athletes have taken the test, why not Pac? You obviously haven't been around here long. There's been plenty of threads dedicated to discussing whether or not NSAC should improve their testing policies. Because we expect our athletes to be clean? i was here way before you buddy.... i was here when a user named DOMAIN was making creatine threads. :lol1: as for guys saying NSAC should improve, im the one who is probably most vocal about it. most don't give a shit. where were you before floyd asked for the testing? have you been pushing for OST all this time?

1. knocking out a shot hatton isn't supposed to be impressive. 2. eating damaged cotto's shots isn't supposed to be impressive. stop deluding yourselves and accept the fact that manny will be considered greater than floyd, no matter how much lies you fabricate. So let me get this straight. You don't believe knocking out Hatton and eating Cotto's punches without ill affect is impressive? Why do you assume I care about legacies and who's considered greater than whom? Newsflash buddy, that's irrelevant to me. Furthermore, you're far to caught up in this "Floyd fan vs. Pac fan" nonsense. Floyd isn't even my favorite fighter.

why should manny be the one pressured to take it then? why not put pressure on the commision to implement it? if you guys are really about cleaning up the sport and not just hanging on every bs that comes out of floyd's mouth, then how come there are no threads from floyd fans like: "NSAC, should implement better testing" instead, its like this: "Take the test, pacroid... you dirty cheat!" which makes you a bunch of stans that hangs on every word that comes out off floyd's mouth. Why shouldn't he? Mosely and Floyd took the test. Usuain Bolt, Sydney Crosby, LeBron James, Michael Phelps, and a plethora of other world class athletes have taken the test, why not Pac? You obviously haven't been around here long. There's been plenty of threads dedicated to discussing whether or not NSAC should improve their testing policies. Because we expect our athletes to be clean?

Knocking out Ricky Hatton in two rounds is impressive, regardless of if he's shot or not. Walking through Cotto's punches as if he didn't feel them was impressive, regardless of Cotto not being the same fighter since the Margarito fight. Or I can say he's a fighter that uses PED's, who's had the luxury of cherry picking his opponents. Don't question me, question Freddie Roach, he said it. if hatton was shot, then manny knocking him out means shit. if cotto was damaged, then manny walking on though his punches does'nt mean shit. again, you only have to choices. clean, sucky pac. dirty, legendary pac.

im sorry, i don't get that. how can his wins be impressive if they were shot and weightdrained in the first place? enlighten me. you can only shit on pac two ways. you can say he fights shot, past-prime over rated fighter as long as you say he's clean or you can say he is on PED's, as long as you say his wins are legendary Knocking out Ricky Hatton in two rounds is impressive, regardless of if he's shot or not. Walking through Cotto's punches as if he didn't feel them was impressive, regardless of Cotto not being the same fighter since the Margarito fight. Or I can say he's a fighter that uses PED's, who's had the luxury of cherry picking his opponents. Don't question me, question Freddie Roach, he said it.

I don't know, nor do I care. It's irrelevant. Are you aware of the prestige behind WADA testing protocols? They are THE world standard, having practically eliminated potential cheaters in the Olympic games. NSAC testing policies pale in comparison. Hence the reason they're looking to improve their methods by adopting some of WADA's policies. Oh. why should manny be the one pressured to take it then? why not put pressure on the commision to implement it? if you guys are really about cleaning up the sport and not just hanging on every bs that comes out of floyd's mouth, then how come there are no threads from floyd fans like: "NSAC, should implement better testing" instead, its like this: "Take the test, pacroid... you dirty cheat!" which makes you a bunch of stans that hangs on every word that comes out off floyd's mouth.

It isn't about being impressive, it's about how he's beating fighters, and further suspicion arose when he became so adamantly opposed to USADA testing methods. I didn't say he wasn't impressive. I said he fights shot and weight drained fighters, which is a known fact, as admissions have come directly from the mouth of his trainer. You know what Ryannn. I suggest you stop posting on these forums. You do nothing other than troll, and all your post are plagued with pointless insults. It's getting old. Either grow up and post in a mature and reasonable manner, or don't post at all. im sorry, i don't get that. how can his wins be impressive if they were shot and weightdrained in the first place? enlighten me. you can only shit on pac two ways. you can say he fights shot, past-prime over rated fighter as long as you say he's clean or you can say he is on PED's, as long as you say his wins are legendary

how much do you think the USADA will make if it was implemented as the standard for boxing fights? its possible that they would have let floyd slide with the mosley bout and hide dirty tests for him to promote OST testing.. according to flomos, NSAC is made entirely of incompetent baboons and can't detect cheaters for shit.... but the USADA has a conflict of interest with floyd and pac.. applying flomo logic, i have come to the conclusion that floyd is a dirty cheat who uses the USADA testing as a mask so that people won't suspect him... I don't know, nor do I care. It's irrelevant. Are you aware of the prestige behind WADA testing protocols? They are THE world standard, having practically eliminated potential cheaters in the Olympic games. NSAC testing policies pale in comparison. Hence the reason they're looking to improve their methods by adopting some of WADA's policies. Oh.

Ask Freddie Roach, he told DLH was weight drained and couldn't pull the trigger, Cotto wasn't the same fighter he used to be and that Hatton was softened up by Mayweather. I didn't say that, Freddie did.

manny being impressive at the higher weights is a reason why they say manny is on something.. and at the same time, he's not that impressive? :twak: flomos violate the law of natural selection by their mere existence. all of them are gay and retarded, they should have died out years ago. It isn't about being impressive, it's about how he's beating fighters, and further suspicion arose when he became so adamantly opposed to USADA testing methods. I didn't say he wasn't impressive. I said he fights shot and weight drained fighters, which is a known fact, as admissions have come directly from the mouth of his trainer. You know what Ryannn. I suggest you stop posting on these forums. You do nothing other than troll, and all your post are plagued with pointless insults. It's getting old. Either grow up and post in a mature and reasonable manner, or don't post at all.