Why Cant Everybody Quit Pretending?

We all watch a sport where we expect 2 grown men to enter a ring and repeatedly punch their opponent as hard as they can in the face and body. Can yall not get off your moral high horse and admit we dont really care about these fighters health? So do we draw the line at we dont care if these fighters get brain damage or worse as long as the fighter who did it wasnt on steroids? And to think that they don't give a rat's ass about other fighters other than Mayweather.

Apologies in advance, slightly off topic, but the whole moral issue brought up in this intriguing thread makes me want to post this here because it's a good discussion so far... So I'm at a point where Saturday night is almost here and I'm debating with myself whether to watch Margarito vs. Garcia or not. Sounds like it might be a good fight, curious to see what Tony has left, but then of course there's the whole scandal. I'm not even talking about paying for a PPV. Is watching it on a stream still "supporting" Margarito/Illegal handwraps? Can you say he is a disgrace to boxing, but still tune in? I guess I know the answers already. Just curious what others think. Im watching it, but in this case I wouldnt care too severely if Margarito is knocked completely unconscious. Matter of fact I hope he gets knocked unconscious and falls through the ropes and breaks his leg. Drawing a line in what is acceptable for fighters to do and still get support is hard. Joe Louis was a cokehead, SRR beat his wife, SRL was a cokehead, Mayweather has been accused of beating women etc. etc.. If I try too hard to separate fighters I wont watch based on moral issues boxing becomes much less entertaining I haven't read it, but basically didn't the TS say "fukk it, let them take drugs and beat each other up"? Not my exact feelings. My thought are anyone who watches boxing puts their own entertainment above the fighters health, so the only legitimate reason for actually caring about PED testing is for the fairness of the competition. If I didnt care about testing and only cared about my entertainment how is that stupid? Im only doing what everyone else is doing apart from the fact I dont feel the need to sugar coat it. Im against fighters using PEDs because its illegal and unfair, Im not going to pretend that these fighters health is my first concern when Im already expecting them to put their body and minds on the line for my entertainment.

I'm surprised at you Libido. You know Tony is muy innocente. Buying the ppv is the least you can do to help him make up for all the lost time they took from him making a living. The whole thing was a damn witch hunt. I can't ****ing wait personally and I feel no guilt whatsoever. Dap, I'm just trying to come to terms with my own hypocrisy and conflicted feelings, bro. (ha ha) This is what happens when I stop smoking weed on a regular basis. But becoming a hardcore boxing fan can take you to so many deep crazy levels beyond the blood and guts. It's freaking fascinating. (I know, I sound like I'm totally dusted right now... I'm not.)

Its a great thread Dan... One of the best ones in NSB since the last time I dropped one. I haven't read it, but basically didn't the TS say "fukk it, let them take drugs and beat each other up"?

We all watch a sport where we expect 2 grown men to enter a ring and repeatedly punch their opponent as hard as they can in the face and body. Can yall not get off your moral high horse and admit we dont really care about these fighters health? So do we draw the line at we dont care if these fighters get brain damage or worse as long as the fighter who did it wasnt on steroids? I have to say that there does seem to be a lack of understanding of just how big a difference PEDs make in terms of performance. Surely many of you have seen it where a guy that had no business lifting with you, will go on a cycle and in 6 weeks will blow by you and by a wide margin. And that's the old schit. But this is a Strawman arguement, in that the premise is flawed that we don't care if the fighters get hurt, hell even the TS doesn't hold that view and thus relating it to the line of reasoning: "as long as the fighter wasn't on steroids", doesn't hold. But I do admit it does make for good forum fodder. And it's clever.

Its never unfair when everyone is expected to follow the same rules. If you cheat and get caught you get in trouble, if you cheat and dont get caught you got away with it. Thats life. Any fighter can take the risk of cheating as long as he understands the consequences of getting caught. Like margarito being punished for loading his gloves!!!

Yea, Im far from politically correct. It was taken that I wish harm on fighters which isnt true, but we are all guilty of putting our own entertainment ahead of our concern for these fighters well being. If it were the other way around we'd watch golf. Yea bro I get your point. I mean every time a fighter quits. We don't say he made the right choice. We call him names. We want fighters to go out on their shields. I understand what you saying. I just don't think people really get the point.

This is a pretty stupid thread, from a guy who is usually one of the more sound posters on here. I guess the stupidity is infectious.

Apologies in advance, slightly off topic, but the whole moral issue brought up in this intriguing thread makes me want to post this here because it's a good discussion so far... So I'm at a point where Saturday night is almost here and I'm debating with myself whether to watch Margarito vs. Garcia or not. Sounds like it might be a good fight, curious to see what Tony has left, but then of course there's the whole scandal. I'm not even talking about paying for a PPV. Is watching it on a stream still "supporting" Margarito/Illegal handwraps? Can you say he is a disgrace to boxing, but still tune in? I guess I know the answers already. Just curious what others think.

You know what we do Mack. We sit there craving the knockout, then when it comes, we're like oh fukk I hope he isn't hurt too bad. Just seems weird, but I think a lot of us do it. It's like I wanna see him ko'ed and unconscious, but I'd like him to wake up in 12 seconds. Yea I get tense when fighters are knocked completely unconscious. Ricky Hatton had me nervous against Pac, he looked dead. Its always a plus when a fight ends in a KO, but nobody wants to see a fighter laying there shaking.

Mayweather has fought through painful injuries in several fights. There is nothing he has done to even suggest he has quitting in him. Wanting everything to be even going is not related to quitting. I don't see the correlation at all. I never said I saw any quit in him. Hes a great fighter, undoubtedly. The point wasnt to make Floyd look like a coward the point is that you cant think Ortiz is a coward for wanting to protect himself from taking punishment and respect Floyd for wanting to protect himself from cheating. I dont think professional fighters are cowards, but I cant respect a man who isnt getting in the ring more than a man who got in there and got beat up.

TS has a great point. I just think he didn't really worded it right. So his point is getting misinterpreted. Yea, Im far from politically correct. It was taken that I wish harm on fighters which isnt true, but we are all guilty of putting our own entertainment ahead of our concern for these fighters well being. If it were the other way around we'd watch golf.

Id like to see my favorite guys not die. They're wearing gloves and fight 3 minute rounds for a reason.

We have no idea if Floyd has any quit in him hes never received the punishment in a fight that Ortiz took from Maidana. Quitting because you dont want you career to be over before it starts is intelligent and anyone who criticizes him for it is ignorant. Ortiz got in the ring with a man he didnt know was clean, and chose to fight the wrong fight and paid for it. Floyd refuses to step in the ring unless stricter drug testing is implemented. How is Ortiz more cowardly for stepping into the ring than Floyd not getting in the ring? Do you have any examples of a fighter being maimed because his opponent was on steroids? Mayweather has fought through painful injuries in several fights. There is nothing he has done to even suggest he has quitting in him. Wanting everything to be even going into a fight is not related to quitting. I don't see the correlation at all.

There is sticter penalties. Resto did time. An interesting point-to me anyway- about the Resto embroglio is that ALL the experts say that bandages and gloves are mainly there to protect the fists of the boxers, and we do know that this is to a large extent true, since a bareknuckle boxer today would be smashing his hands up every time he fought. Many do, even with bandages and gloves. Yet, Resdto was able to cause career (and life) ending injuries both physical and mental, without, as far as I have ever heard, damaging HIS hands at all. At least it's never been brought up or discussed before, that I know of. In the old, bareknuckle days, the way boxers protected their hands (and faces) was to constantly steep (pickle) their hands in brine.

TS has a great point. I just think he didn't really worded it right. So his point is getting misinterpreted.

So when you said this you were only talking about PEDs? What Luis Resto did to Billy Collins, differs very little from what Hopkins does, and will keep doing as long as he gets away with it. Both have the intention to seriously damage and hurt opponents to their detriment. The degree of hurt is governed mainly by a combination of malice, resilience, and chance.

We all watch a sport where we expect 2 grown men to enter a ring and repeatedly punch their opponent as hard as they can in the face and body. Can yall not get off your moral high horse and admit we dont really care about these fighters health? So do we draw the line at we dont care if these fighters get brain damage or worse as long as the fighter who did it wasnt on steroids? Speak for yourself. The integrity of sports as an entity, not just boxing, is what's most important to me.

funny how posters affected here are mostly floyd fans :lol1: and some are retardedly enough to respond as if there is NO drug testing being done.

That is pretty retarded logic. Floyd doesn't do PEDS and he wants to fight fighters that also don't. That is fully his prerogative. All that countless hours of training and skill can be trumped by the superior physicality peds and concentrated HGH provide. To suggest a man quitting and a man wanting fairness is the same is well, dumb. I don't know if you noticed in his 41 fights but floyd doesn't have any quit in him, just like Pac. To suggest otherwise is delusional. Don't go full retard on us Mack. Oh and I know u scorn the moral high horse but I happen to believe in honorable contests. My aim isn't to see someone permanently maimed its to watch boxing. We have no idea if Floyd has any quit in him hes never received the punishment in a fight that Ortiz took from Maidana. Quitting because you dont want you career to be over before it starts is intelligent and anyone who criticizes him for it is ignorant. Ortiz got in the ring with a man he didnt know was clean, and chose to fight the wrong fight and paid for it. Floyd refuses to step in the ring unless stricter drug testing is implemented. How is Ortiz more cowardly for stepping into the ring than Floyd not getting in the ring? Do you have any examples of a fighter being maimed because his opponent was on steroids?