Reason Why Floyd CAN Go Down as GOAT or Top 5

let the old heads place him....we're too young to REALLY know how the other eras were compared to now....we can only read and observe through vids....but there's some real old heads out there like Bert Sugar who are more QUALIFIED to make that kinda of claim....Floyd is THE boxer that the NEW generation has mainly been exposed to....his fans are allowed to cheer for him as well as bet on him....but as far as the GOAT label goes....leave that for the old heads.

People will always make lists, but it is very hard to compare boxers across different eras. How do you compare Floyd to a guy like Pep who fought in the 40s and 50s and had 230 wins? I'm not saying Pep is easily greater than Floyd, I'm just saying it's a difficult comparison. What do you judge on? Anyways I do think if Floyd beats Pac, Martinez and P.Will he's easily #1 in his era.

Henry Armstrong?

There's one very big glaring and obvious reason why Floyd "Check Casher" Mayweather has a good chance to go down as the greatest of all time or at least top 5 ATG. The reason is simple: no one else on the ATG list including Sugar Ray Robinson has faced and beaten an opponent also ranked in the top ATG list. Who did Sugar Ray Robinson beat that was ranked in top 5 or even top 10 ATG? Maybe I'm missing someone but Lamotta sure as hell isn't in the top 10 probably barely edges out the top 50. It's not about their skill, it's about that rare potential that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao represents. Never before, or at least not in a long time have two potential ATG's been both in their prime and ready to face off. If Mayweather defeats Pacman and Pac goes down in the top 10 ATG as many of his nuthugging fans claim he will, then Mayweather will go down in history as one of the few greats that has proven himself against a top ATG opponent. The only other time two ATG's of this stature were fighting each other was during the Fab 4 in the 1980's and most of those guys are considered top 10 and top 5 ATG's in particular Duran and SRL. So with that said, similarly Mayweather could be ranked right up there with them if he defeats Pacquiao though ofcourse it works both ways and Pacquiao could be the one up there if he defeats Floyd. Not to mention both are also 5 and 6 division champs just like the Fab 4 guys, Duran was a 6 division champ, SRL was 5, and Hearns also was 6 if you count minor titles I believe. However I should state that even if he beats Pac that probably would not elevate Floyd above SRL or Duran because they conquered as many (and more) divisions than him AND still fought each other (top ATG's). So for Floyd to be ranked higher than them he would have to not only decisively defeat Pacman but he'd have to either make another important win or two at 154 OR conquer one last strap at 160 for his 6th division which would match what DLH did when he went up and got Sturm's strap. I think Floyd can do this, as 160 is particularly weak right now and I can easily see him beating Sturm and probably doing the Martinez on Pavlik as well, however I just can't see him going that far up at the tail end of his career because I really do feel he only has 1 or 2 fights left though I could be wrong. But I think if he beats Pac and Martinez he'd be up there in the top 10 or 15 at worst ATG and if he beats Pac, Martinez and maybe one or two more big names at 154-160 then he could make it into top 5 ATG. #1 ATG Ray Robinson beat #2 ATG Henry Armstrong (far from prime Armstrong but just sayin'). Nah, but there a few examples of the top greats beating other top greats.

People like to downplay Floyd's resume and say he didnt fight this guy or that guy but every fighter's has guys who he could have fought but didnt. Floyd still has some pretty good names on his resume like De La Hoya, Mosley, Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Juan Manuel Marquez and the late Diego Corrales. If you arent biased then you will admit that Floyd has one of the best if not the best resume in boxing right now. And if he adds more names to the resume like Pacquiao (Hopefully he will realise how big the fight is and accept testing) and maybe Martinez, Berto or Williams. Then he will have a serious case for saying he is the greatest, Especially if he retires undefeated which I think he will Your right they are good names, still does not tell the whole story.... Castillo II and Corrales are excellent wins, and nobody can dispute that, but the others, come on...look at the wider picture. Marciano retired 49-0, look at his resume, Charles(x2), Walcott (X2), Moore, Louis. Why is he not considered the GOAT?

Here are all the top 10 ranked opponents Robinson defeated: Joe Ghnouly Pete Lello Maxie Shapiro Maxie Berger Norman Rubio (x2) Tony Motisi Reuben Shank Izzy Jannazzo (x4) Ralph Zannelli Sheik Rangel Tommy Bell (x2) George Costner (x2) Jose Basora (x2) Jimmy McDaniels California Jackie Wilson (x2) Cecil Hudson (x2) Georgie Abrams Jimmy Doyle Bernard Docusen Vic Dellicurti Steve Belloise Aaron Wade Ray Barnes Robert Villemain (x2) Charley Fusari Bobby Dykes Holly Mims Artie Levine Cyrille Delanoit Rocky Castellani Denny Moyer Hans Stretz Ralph Dupas Hall of famers: Sammy Angott (x3) Fritzie Zivic (x2) Jake LaMotta (x5) Henry Armstrong Kid Gavilan (x2) Carl Olson (x4) Randolph Turpin Rocky Graziano Gene Fullmer Carmen Basilio It will be impossible for anybody to rank ahead of this man. IMPOSSIBLE... Who is going to have a resume like this? WHO? co sign 100% no present day fighter can come close to this mans record.....

People like to downplay Floyd's resume and say he didnt fight this guy or that guy but every fighter's has guys who he could have fought but didnt. Floyd still has some pretty good names on his resume like De La Hoya, Mosley, Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Juan Manuel Marquez and the late Diego Corrales. If you arent biased then you will admit that Floyd has one of the best if not the best resume in boxing right now. And if he adds more names to the resume like Pacquiao (Hopefully he will realise how big the fight is and accept testing) and maybe Martinez, Berto or Williams. Then he will have a serious case for saying he is the greatest, Especially if he retires undefeated which I think he will

People like the OP are just plain retarded and know very little about boxing.....the fact is, it would be very hard (damn near impossible) for a present day fighter to crack the top 10 let alone the top 5.....fighters back then fought more often, and had way more elite competition than the fighters of today...so like I've always stated before, it's better to rank fighters by eras unless you're some super boxing genius who can make Bert Sugar look like a boxing noob....if we must see where Pac and Floyd rank all time, the best thing to do is to sit back and enjoy their great careers and start making arguments when the smokes settles and it's all said and done....

c'mon guys your putting alot of pressure on Floyd out here let the man lose a couple. if he doesnt and retires undefeated atleast that will destroy the stigma that "all the best fighters lost". people can bounce back by saying "nah, what about that floyd mayweather guy?" =] We've been able to do that with Rocky Marciano for a very long time.

c'mon guys your putting alot of pressure on Floyd out here let the man lose a couple. if he doesnt and retires undefeated atleast that will destroy the stigma that "all the best fighters lost". people can bounce back by saying "nah, what about that floyd mayweather guy?" =]

if floyd beats pac, top 15-20 the most, then if he beats williams and martinez in a one sided match he cracks top 10-15 same goes for pac but he only needs to beat floyd, then either williams or martinez at 154 to be ranked top 10-15:luvbed:

He was the #1 contender? Was he? SRR-Armstrong was more than 2 1/2 years after Armstrong's last title fight.

You can't really give Robinson credit for Armstrong though, since he was a shot fighter by then and not a real contender. He was the #1 contender?

Ray Robinson - Henry Armstrong Sam Langford - Joe Gans SRL - Duran x2 (Leonards not in my list but he's in alot of peoples) =P You can't really give Robinson credit for Armstrong though, since he was a shot fighter by then and not a real contender.

Not to mention both are also 5 and 6 division champs just like the Fab 4 guys, Duran was a 6 division champ, SRL was 5, and Hearns also was 6 if you count minor titles I believe. Minor titles don't count. Duran was a 4 division champion, Hearns was a 5 division champion, and SRL was a 5 division champion but it really should have been 4 (how can you win a Light Heavyweight title in a bout fought at Super Middleweight?). Also, it isn't like they cleaned out all those divisions. Duran dominated 135 for an extended period of time, but he only won exactly one title fight in each of the other 3 divisions and had a bunch of losses trying to get those titles. Total record in title fights: 16-7, but only 3-7 after moving up from lightweight. SRL only won 1 title fight at LMW, 1 title fight at MW, and never actually fought at LHW. SRL total record in title fights: 10-3-1. In his whole career SRL only beat 6 opponents (Benitez, Duran, Kalule, Hearns, Haggler, Lalonde) who were good enough to win a title (Floyd has beaten 15 so far, Pacquiao has beaten 12). Hearns won a vacant title at MW and lost it in his fist defense, won a vacant SMW title and only defended it twice, and only won 2 title fights at LHW. Hearns total record in title fights: 14-4-1. Mayweather is at 19-0 in title fights and Pacquiao is at 13-1-2 while also becoming the only 7 division champion in history. I don't think the accomplishments of Mayweather and Pacquiao are in any way inferior to the accomplishments of the Fab 4 fighters.

I don't know where I would rank Floyd right now on an ATG list but I think he deserves to be one of the highest ranked fighters from the 90s until today, if not the highest

no one else on the ATG list including Sugar Ray Robinson has faced and beaten an opponent also ranked in the top ATG list. Ray Robinson - Henry Armstrong Sam Langford - Joe Gans SRL - Duran x2 (Leonards not in my list but he's in alot of peoples) =P

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Here are all the top 10 ranked opponents Robinson defeated: Joe Ghnouly Pete Lello Maxie Shapiro Maxie Berger Norman Rubio (x2) Tony Motisi Reuben Shank Izzy Jannazzo (x4) Ralph Zannelli Sheik Rangel Tommy Bell (x2) George Costner (x2) Jose Basora (x2) Jimmy McDaniels California Jackie Wilson (x2) Cecil Hudson (x2) Georgie Abrams Jimmy Doyle Bernard Docusen Vic Dellicurti Steve Belloise Aaron Wade Ray Barnes Robert Villemain (x2) Charley Fusari Bobby Dykes Holly Mims Artie Levine Cyrille Delanoit Rocky Castellani Denny Moyer Hans Stretz Ralph Dupas Hall of famers: Sammy Angott (x3) Fritzie Zivic (x2) Jake LaMotta (x5) Henry Armstrong Kid Gavilan (x2) Carl Olson (x4) Randolph Turpin Rocky Graziano Gene Fullmer Carmen Basilio It will be impossible for anybody to rank ahead of this man. IMPOSSIBLE... Who is going to have a resume like this? WHO? Willie Pep was 62-0 at one point but he never had a win over a dynamite-prime-fighter during that span. Did Pep ever defeat a "fighter of the decade" in his career? If Floyd gets a win over our "fighter of the decade" who is younger and still in his prime, then Floyd leap-frogs a lot of people on that top 50 list. He will have a perfect record, with a dynamite name to go with it.

Leonard I - W Leonard II - L Benitez - L Hagler - L Hearns - L First off you need to understand the definition of "all". A win over a prime SRL is worth 5 of Floyds best wins. Not to mention him being widely considered the greatest lightweight ever, as well his wins over Moore and Barkley. The guy IS a top 10 ATG, to even compare Floyd to him is a crime.