Since when did a p4p number one fighter lose his spot without being beaten.

beating a prime joshua clottey >>> beating a 38yo cant pull the trigger in shogga yet he still probably threw more punches than Clottey-lol

. Well of course anyone looks good vs a tomato can but what I'm trying to say is that alot of people don't get those chances to prove themselves as great boxers or better then those on the p4p list most of the boxers on the list had better chances to prove themselves anginist great fighters cause tey had better help to get thoses fight causE of their amatuer background ( not all boxers on that list tho) or better mangement so most fighters miss their chance to shine in the spotlight then others I understand that, but without proving themselves you can't say they are better than the guys ranked on the pound for pound lists. I don't put much credence into pound for pound lists either but those guys are there for a reason, they have proven themselves to be among the best fighters in the world. Someone might have great ability somewhere out there but they have to prove themselves first.

But then you can't say they are as good as the guys ranked on the pound for pound lists, those guys prove they are good whereas a guy can look great against tomato cans. Look at Tyrone Brunson.. Well of course anyone looks good vs a tomato can but what I'm trying to say is that alot of people don't get those chances to prove themselves as great boxers or better then those on the p4p list most of the boxers on the list had better chances to prove themselves anginist great fighters cause tey had better help to get thoses fight causE of their amatuer background ( not all boxers on that list tho) or better mangement so most fighters miss their chance to shine in the spotlight then others

Well I mean it other factors to like was they a hot shot amatuer do they go good promters can the get a contract with big promotin compies etc etc not every can get a chance to shine like the people on the pound 4 pound list But then you can't say they are as good as the guys ranked on the pound for pound lists, those guys prove they are good whereas a guy can look great against tomato cans. Look at Tyrone Brunson.

By fighting Clottey instead of Mosley??

If they're that good we'd know about it wouldn't we? Well I mean it other factors to like was they a hot shot amatuer do they go good promters can the get a contract with big promotin compies etc etc not every can get a chance to shine like the people on the pound 4 pound list

that made me laugh :lol1: i really could care less bout the p4p ranking cause chances are it's a million boxers in this world. same record as the p4p'ers, SOMEONE is better then each of the p4p fighters. If they're that good we'd know about it wouldn't we?

you forgot to mention the great sven ottke. that made me laugh :lol1: Either way, once people rank you as the best you shouldn't be demoted until proven otherwise. To me it isn't proven yet. i really could care less bout the p4p ranking cause chances are it's a million boxers in this world. same record as the p4p'ers, SOMEONE is better then each of the p4p fighters.

P4P isn't a title, it's who is considered the best fighter in the sport. A fighter doesn't have to beat the other for people to have the opinion that he is better than the other. Either way, once people rank you as the best you shouldn't be demoted until proven otherwise. To me it isn't proven yet.

Who beat Mayweather? Who beat Calzaghe, Valero?? why isnt these ppl share no.1 ranking with PBF as p4p

You used eliminating the catch weight excuse as a reason for Pac to rematch Cotto. I know we need to hear more to see what's what. But what is your opinion about Arum wanting Cotto to potentially fight a rematch with Manny at 150? How can you defend that if it happened? I honestly won't defend it if it did happen. But, I seriously doubt it will happen. I think is Arum taking shit like he always does. And, I think Foreman will beat Cotto. And, everybody thinks that Pac is Arum baby. But, that is not true. Pac is Arum wallet but Foreman is Arum baby. Arum has a soft heart for Foreman. And, if Pac decides to fight Foreman. Arum would not let it happen unless is at 154. He will make sure Foreman does have some type of an advantage in that fight.

You used eliminating the catch weight excuse as a reason for Pac to rematch Cotto. I know we need to hear more to see what's what. But what is your opinion about Arum wanting Cotto to potentially fight a rematch with Manny at 150? How can you defend that if it happened? It would be pitiful to have a rematch at 150 with Cotto (for the belt again) if Cotto moves up to 154.....it would be deja-vu all over again.... That fight and the Margarito fight are pointless.... both have come off of KO's...but the pattern of opponent picking is still there from Manny's team....

Bullsh*t, Flyod pretended to retire to duck Cotto, Margarito, Mosley(younger), Williams. Flyod came back and fought blown up Marquez, then a 39 freaking yr old Mosley and take the spot P4P#1? Flyod and DLH planned all this out, which easiest shortcut to take to regain P4P#1 without fighting Pacquiao!!! Flyod need to drop his bullcrap blood testing crusade and fight Pac to be P#P1 again!!! Do you mean the same Paul Williams that has called out Pac? Do you mean the same Shane Mosely that bailed outta 2 fights with Floyd when he was chasing him? Funny stuff....do you also mean the same Shane that chased Manny 2 times to be told that he was "too good" by Freddie Roach? Funny that you guys cite Freddie as a reason for Manny's success,but when even Freddie admits that Shane is too good to put in with his fighter (even at 140), you guys either discredit his decisions or neglect them altogether.....remember,Manny was getting his butt kicked before Freddie came in to train him,and even NOW with Manny's new coach in Freddie,all his accomplishments only lead to him staying the hell away from Shane and Floyd-that shows you the lack of confidence those close to Manny have for him-funny that you guys have more confidence for Manny!

Since when do you have to lose to lose your spot on a mythical opinion based rankings? You used eliminating the catch weight excuse as a reason for Pac to rematch Cotto. I know we need to hear more to see what's what. But what is your opinion about Arum wanting Cotto to potentially fight a rematch with Manny at 150? How can you defend that if it happened?

When the guy in front of him LOANED him that title. Bully. You know very well that Cotto was useless by the time he faced Pac. :nonono: :pat:

if pacquiao himself doesnt care about the mythical title of P4P why should i?? oscar dela hoya and his ring magazine can shove the P4P title up Mayweather's azz for all i care. pacquiao doesnt need it. the fans are with him.

Since when do you have to lose to lose your spot on a mythical opinion based rankings?

By ducking his clear #2 and fighting guys he already beat at another catch weight. That's how.

Learn what pound 4 pound means first, then you'll understand. Dumbasses think its sum kind of belt or trophy.

Mayweather retired, once you retire you lose your spot. P4P isn't a title, it's who is considered the best fighter in the sport. A fighter doesn't have to beat the other for people to have the opinion that he is better than the other.