About b-scene's top p4p.

To sum it all up. Floyd - JMM and Mosley Pac - Cotto and Clottey It all boils down to BS Writers subjectivity its all subjective. these guys dont need to justify. They just like Floyd better than PAC regardless of who they beat.

Posters should read this. It's a good read about what pound for pound really stands for. http://www.lukekohler.com/2007/08/12/how-do-you-define-pound-for-pound-in-boxing/ Cliff has his opinion. I believe he just finds it that Floyd is the better fighter than Manny under any conditions. I admit that Floyd is generally more skilled that Pacquiao is, but if ever they fight, i believe Pacquiao has that puncher's chance. 50/50

Because Floyd was P4P #1, retired, came back and beat the #2 and #3 P4P fighters. In addition, he beat two of fighters, albeit better versions, that Manny has fought during his "streak". Cotto and Clottey don't put Manny above Floyd. Period. So are you saying that the 144 lb version of JMM was better than the 135 lb JMM? You've got to be kidding me right?? JMM was most comfortable in 135, he gave Pacquiao hell when they fought at 130. So what if JMM fought Paquiao at WW, what do you think would have happened?????...... If you argue that Cotto was damaged goods because he lost to Margarito and went life and death with clottey, We too can argue that Mosley was damaged goods, even though he had a magnificent outing against Margarito, it still doesn't erase the fact that he got dominated by Vernon twice and by Winky once. Not to mention he is now 38 y/o and 1 year and 6 months removed from his last fight. I don't have a problem seeing Mayweather going regaining the top spot. You can shoot holes at Pac's resume. The same can be said about Floyd's resume..

No more questions? :boxing: :lol1: talking like you accomplished something... mosley was a great win, but come on... if floyd was more active then i have no problem with cliff's rankings. manny hasn't done anything to lose the stop spot.

JMM weighed 141-lbs when he stepped in the ring again Pacquiao. Pac himself weighed 145-lbs. JMM weighed 144-lbs when he stepped into the ring against Mayweather. Mayweather himself weighed 146. This same JMM had taken Pac to hell and back the year prior, and according to most journalist, experts, and historians, won the second bout against Pacquiao. Also, people seem to forget that it was JMM that called out Mayweather, due to the fact that Pac wouldn't fight him a third time. It wasn't the other way around. There is an explanation. Just because you refuse to accept it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You've chosen to blind yourself to the obvious. dude, marquez was affected by the weight. don't delude yourself that the weight didn't matter.

No, the reason why Mosely was rated higher than Cotto was because Mosely dominated the man that snatched away Cotto's spirit. Cotto beating Pac wouldn't have done much of anything in regard to unseating Mosely was the #1 WW. hmm this is questionable if cotto beat pac he wont be ranked higher than mosley after two winning streak from clottey and PAC?

the reason why cotto isnt rank higher than mosley cuz of his defeat to pac if cotto won over pac he might be the number one WW right? No, the reason why Mosely was rated higher than Cotto was because Mosely dominated the man that snatched away Cotto's spirit. Cotto beating Pac wouldn't have done much of anything in regard to unseating Mosely was the #1 WW.

I guess the main difference between Mayweather and Pac is that Floyd fights opponents when they are at the top, while Pac waits until after they suffer a loss and then fights them. Even if the quality of the opponents seems similar, Floyd fights them when their reputation/ranking is at it's highest so he ends up getting more credit for the wins. Aside from that the other difference would be that Pac wasn't that good until the last 5 fights, whereas Mayweather was more consistently good earlier in his career. Although P4P ranking is supposed to be more about current abilities than resume, people haven't completely forgotten what the fighters did earlier in their careers.

I didn't say it wasn't valid, but it isn't better than a win against the undisputed WW champ and p4p #3 fighter in all of boxing. You and I both know that Cotto was a shadow of his former self after taking that beating from Margarito. Furthermore, Mosely did to Margarito what Margarito did to Cotto. the reason why cotto isnt rank higher than mosley cuz of his defeat to pac if cotto won over pac he might be the number one WW right?

No more questions? :boxing:

ok im truly sorry for name calling i apologize.. just cant accept pacs win over cotto isnt valid in ur point of view and floyds win over mosley is everything to you! I didn't say it wasn't valid, but it isn't better than a win against the undisputed WW champ and p4p #3 fighter in all of boxing. You and I both know that Cotto was a shadow of his former self after taking that beating from Margarito. Furthermore, Mosely did to Margarito what Margarito did to Cotto.

the number 2 p4p had to climb up two weight classes, how come people keep ignoring this? and mosley was a great win but not enough to overtake pac.. still no explanation how floyd can be considered number 2 by beating marquez, (whom manny already beat) then number 1 by beating mosley (who already got beat by cotto) JMM weighed 141-lbs when he stepped in the ring again Pacquiao. Pac himself weighed 145-lbs. JMM weighed 144-lbs when he stepped into the ring against Mayweather. Mayweather himself weighed 146. This same JMM had taken Pac to hell and back the year prior, and according to most journalist, experts, and historians, won the second bout against Pacquiao. Also, people seem to forget that it was JMM that called out Mayweather, due to the fact that Pac wouldn't fight him a third time. It wasn't the other way around. There is an explanation. Just because you refuse to accept it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You've chosen to blind yourself to the obvious.

Cotto's damaged goods, and Clottey's never won a big fight. Ever. Mosely was coming off the biggest win in his career, and was the undisputed WW champ. Before the scheduled Mayweather fight, everyone was predicting that he'd knock Andre Berto out, a youthful, talented, prime, fighter. JMM, according to the majority of experts, historians, and analyst, had beaten Pac the year prior. In both Pacquiao bouts, JMM landed more punches and won more rounds. He staggered and bloodied Pac in their second fight. marquez was out of weight ffsake. why do you keep ignoring this?

Why does everything have to be about Flomo's and Pactards with you people? Mature and rational discussions are impossible on these boards, and it's pathetic. If you wish to discuss the topic, do so. If not? Shut the hell up. Cotto defeated Mosely before being brutalized by Margarito, and before being the damaged goods he now is. Even if that weren't the case, that fight was close and could have gone either way. ok im truly sorry for name calling i apologize.. just cant accept pacs win over cotto isnt valid in ur point of view and floyds win over mosley is everything to you!

Cotto and Clottey would likely have beaten JMM and Mosely at WW. They are far younger and near the prime of their careers. Mosely and JMM have a combined age of nearly 80 and have a ridiculous amount of wear on them. Mosely is shot and JMM is getting there. Cotto's damaged goods, and Clottey's never won a big fight. Ever. Mosely was coming off the biggest win in his career, and was the undisputed WW champ. Before the scheduled Mayweather fight, everyone was predicting that he'd knock Andre Berto out, a youthful, talented, prime, fighter. JMM, according to the majority of experts, historians, and analyst, had beaten Pac the year prior. In both Pacquiao bouts, JMM landed more punches and won more rounds. He staggered and bloodied Pac in their second fight.

i think you forgot mosley's defeat from cotto or ur just a delusional flomo? i don't have a problem people rating floyd over pac if they have a valid argument for it. problem is, they haven't presented a single argument for it without downplaying manny pac's wins and overrating floyds... everyone is entitled to his own opinion. but people are also entitled to question it.

i think you forgot mosley's defeat from cotto or ur just a delusional flomo? Why does everything have to be about Flomo's and Pactards with you people? Mature and rational discussions are impossible on these boards, and it's pathetic. If you wish to discuss the topic, do so. If not? Shut the hell up. Cotto defeated Mosely before being brutalized by Margarito, and before being the damaged goods he now is. Even if that weren't the case, that fight was close and could have gone either way.

Because Floyd was P4P #1, retired, came back and beat the #2 and #3 P4P fighters. In addition, he beat two of fighters, albeit better versions, that Manny has fought during his "streak". Cotto and Clottey don't put Manny above Floyd. Period. the number 2 p4p had to climb up two weight classes, how come people keep ignoring this? and mosley was a great win but not enough to overtake pac.. still no explanation how floyd can be considered number 2 by beating marquez, (whom manny already beat) then number 1 by beating mosley (who already got beat by cotto)

It's all bs anyway. Ring had to make concessions to Manny's fanbase so they kept him p4p. And the same for Floyd, so they give him #1 welter. bscene, maybe it's to calm down all the crying about ronnie nathanielz lately

It's funny that some people say Floyd cherry picked the likes of Baldomir, Hatton, Marquez and Mosley yet praise Pacquiao for beating the likes of Morales, De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto. When Floyd fought these fighters they were ontop of their game, when Pacquiao fought them they were either shot or weight drained. It's not excuses it's just fact baldomir- sucks hatton- out of weight marquez- fat mosley- old.