thoughts?
note: we're talking about the mosley of last night, not the welterweight who beat de la hoya 10 years ago. last night's mosley may or may not have aged overnight (yall will have something to say about that too i'm sure)
i think pac would have KOd him. i think mosley and cotto are about level in terms of skills, but i think mosley wouldn't have been able to run for long against pac. cotto had stamina, mosley seeming ran out halfway through the fight. part of it was because of floyd of course, but i just didn't see much energy from mosley tonight.
doesn't mean pac would beat floyd (haven't made up my mind about that one yet), i'm just saying both floyd and pac would have dominated mosley last night, same way they both dominated hatton in their own different ways.
I think Pacquiao would fair pretty well but eventually lose.
See how Mayweather reacted to getting rocked by Shane's right hand? Pacquiao wouldn't have done that shit, he would have tried to bang just like he did with Marquez and before you know it Pacquiao would have been looking up at the lights wondering what happened and how come his body isn't working.
I still see PAC is being underestimated at all levels, PAC knows what to do when his hurt he knows this from experience ...
nah. cotto and clottey both hit pac with bombs and pac shrugged and dominated them. both floyd and pac have iron chins at welterweight. i can see pac getting hurt by a punch he didn't see, but i don't see him getting knocked out.
meanwhile, he'd be landing heavy shots on shane too.
I believe this is true both PAC & Floyd have good chins and it will take a lot before they can be knocked out ...
and for TS IMHO PAC would have been punching more and landing more and would have Koed Mosley in the latter rounds or Naz stops it for shane...
pac's chin is at least as good as floyd's. there were questions on floyd's chin before tonight, since it'd been so long since he got clipped real good. no longer. but pac's chin has been proven in his last 2 fights too, and i don't think anybody can doubt that. sure, mosley's punches have more pop than cotto's, but pac acted like he barely felt those punches. he actually got like 3 straight uppercuts to the face against clottey and didn't seem hurt at all. in fact the only time i've seen pac really hurt in the past 3 years was when he was hit by punches he didn't see, which happened a couple times against marquez. weirdly enough, he seems more bothered by cuts than punches.
all i'm saying is he survives a direct hit from mosley, the type that scared us all $#!tless in the mayweather fight round 2.
i think pac and floyds chins are about the same too, im just saying taking shots from cotto and clottey doesnt mean u can take shots from mosley, hes a bigger punher specially when it comes to 1 punch KO power.
i dont care if clottey hit him with 12 straight uppercuts margarito style, hes not a puncher at all. other than a bloody nose judah wasnt too bothered by his shots, floyd hurt judah with bodyshots and had him fighting scared to get knocked out.
no matter who u are the only punches that hurt you are the ones u dont see. i mean even if u see a punch it still hurts as in pain, but it wont hurt as in drop u or make your legs go. you cant get knocked out by a punch u see coming.
if mosley hit pac clean on the chin with his best shot pac would be hurt, just like any other WW in the world.
Mosley would have definately had more opportunities against pacman, Mayweahers defense is what shut down Mosley. Pac's defense is no where near Mayweathers and styles make fights and I'm sorry but if Forrest, Mayorga, and Margarito couldn't stop Mosley I don't think Pacquiao would have either. Mosley may have gotten schooled against Mayweather but he definately would have put a better beating on Clottey. Clottey was begging for bodyshots all night and little ol Pacquiao could penetrate. It's was like watching a guy with a small weener not able to bust through the flood gates lol
What I think made Mosley tentative to throw is sorta what I believe would make Mosley do the same against Pacquiao. Mosley seemed to not want to get hit and became tentative when Floyd started getting off. Pacquiao in the same way can get in a rhythm where he can get his shots off Mosley. I see Pac maybe taking more chances to take Mosley out which i think he probably would've. Floyd was indeed going for the KO, but he wasn't leaving his comfort zone either.
Different approach, more than likely same outcome.
Typical stupid post coming from you.
like that was anyone elses fought lol other than himself Shane was mentally F'd up 2 he was going through a divorce excuses and assholes again
Unlike no balls-weather, Pac would have gone for the knockout. That's the difference in a fighter and a boxer. Floyd is a boxer, nothing more.
Mosley would have definately had more opportunities against pacman, Mayweahers defense is what shut down Mosley. Pac's defense is no where near Mayweathers and styles make fights and I'm sorry but if Forrest, Mayorga, and Margarito couldn't stop Mosley I don't think Pacquiao would have either. Mosley may have gotten schooled against Mayweather but he definately would have put a better beating on Clottey. Clottey was begging for bodyshots all night and little ol Pacquiao could penetrate. It's was like watching a guy with a small weener not able to bust through the flood gates lol
nah. cotto and clottey both hit pac with bombs and pac shrugged and dominated them. both floyd and pac have iron chins at welterweight. i can see pac getting hurt by a punch he didn't see, but i don't see him getting knocked out.
meanwhile, he'd be landing heavy shots on shane too.
Neither Cotto or Clottey hit as hard as Mosley. Ask Antonio Margarito. Pacquiao does not have the defense of Mayweather and he would be there to get hit against Mosley. Pacquiao would not "shrug" Mosley's powershots. Believe that.
what do you guys mean "this version of shane mosley"? lol! that's the same damn shane mosley that fought margarito.
how many times does the saying "styles makes fights" have to be reiterated?
shane mosley looked like boo-boo because of who he was fighting. if that was margarito in the ring this past saturday then sugar would have looked dominant.
Mosley fought a mentally ****ed up Margarito with out Plaster...
what do you guys mean "this version of shane mosley"? lol! that's the same damn shane mosley that fought margarito.
how many times does the saying "styles makes fights" have to be reiterated?
shane mosley looked like boo-boo because of who he was fighting. if that was margarito in the ring this past saturday then sugar would have looked dominant.
i thought this was the shane mosley that fought margarito too. so i give floyd full credit for this win. i actually think the floyd that showed up last night would have beaten a younger shane too. but i think it's fair to say that 38 year old shane mosley is slower than he used to be.
he proved hes got a decent chin or better at WW but that doesnt mean u can take shots from mosley, floyd has a great chin and look at him when he got hit flush.
clottey isnt even a puncher. hes strong but hes not a puncher at all, he hit judah with his best shots repetedly and never stunned him or anything, floyd hurt judah more when he hit him. clottey doesnt have a history of knocking any top fighters out, judah was stopped on a cut. when in clotteys career has he displayed punching power? seriously have i missed something, cuz i damn sure havent seen it. eighter way he only landed like 2-3 clean shots on pac, with no history of 1 punch KOs why should pac not take those shots well?
cotto is a good puncher, but hes not a 1 punch KO artist eighter, he breaks guys down. he didnt hit manny enough to break him down or apply pressure which is what made most of his oponents fold more so than his power. he has no real history of knocking guys out with one punch, no early KOs at the top level. hes a powerful puncher dont get me wrong, but he cant be compared to mosley as far as explosive power is concerned. mosley stretched vargas with 1 punch, out of nowhere. he bombed out alot of fighters early and knocked guys out cold. cotto hasnt done that, he breaks guys down with pressure and take their heart. the old cotto anyways before his soul got knocked out by margarito.
that pac took a few shots from clottey and cotto doesnt mean he can take mosleys shots. not saying he cant take a punch, he can. but mosley is a diffrent kind of puncher compared to the guys pac fought.
pac's chin is at least as good as floyd's. there were questions on floyd's chin before tonight, since it'd been so long since he got clipped real good. no longer. but pac's chin has been proven in his last 2 fights too, and i don't think anybody can doubt that. sure, mosley's punches have more pop than cotto's, but pac acted like he barely felt those punches. he actually got like 3 straight uppercuts to the face against clottey and didn't seem hurt at all. in fact the only time i've seen pac really hurt in the past 3 years was when he was hit by punches he didn't see, which happened a couple times against marquez. weirdly enough, he seems more bothered by cuts than punches.
all i'm saying is he survives a direct hit from mosley, the type that scared us all $#!tless in the mayweather fight round 2.
what do you guys mean "this version of shane mosley"? lol! that's the same damn shane mosley that fought margarito.
how many times does the saying "styles makes fights" have to be reiterated?
shane mosley looked like boo-boo because of who he was fighting. if that was margarito in the ring this past saturday then sugar would have looked dominant.
The problem with those two examples is that they both were 1 shotting. They expected 1 hard punch to be enough and never followed up. Clottey hurt Pacquiao once and never followed up. Cotto hurt Pacquiao once and never followed up. Cotto then got obliterated with the speed and power. Clottey just never punched what-so-ever.
The difference with Mosley is, when he smells blood in the water he goes for the kill. He couldn't do that with Mayweather because Mayweather clinched hard.
Pacquiao doesn't know what a clinch is. He would have ended up going out on his shield. By that I mean, he would have went out swinging.
When Pacquiao gets rocked he keeps fighting with his hands down. They would have traded shots... it comes down to who's punch is harder and who's chin is stronger. Undebateable, Mosley's chin is better. While I believe Mosley's power > Pacquiao's power.
you're right, pac responds to pressure by swinging back. but he's very, very good at it. he knocked down marquez in the 2nd fight with his back against the ropes. same with the first KD against morales in their 3rd fight. same with the 2nd knockdown against cotto- back against the ropes, then he spun him around and knocked him down with an uppercut. i can see mosley repeatedly getting clipped on the way in and then being dominated through the later rounds as he loses energy.
The problem with those two examples is that they both were 1 shotting. They expected 1 hard punch to be enough and never followed up. Clottey hurt Pacquiao once and never followed up. Cotto hurt Pacquiao once and never followed up. Cotto then got obliterated with the speed and power. Clottey just never punched what-so-ever.
The difference with Mosley is, when he smells blood in the water he goes for the kill. He couldn't do that with Mayweather because Mayweather clinched hard.
Pacquiao doesn't know what a clinch is. He would have ended up going out on his shield. By that I mean, he would have went out swinging.
When Pacquiao gets rocked he keeps fighting with his hands down. They would have traded shots... it comes down to who's punch is harder and who's chin is stronger. Undebateable, Mosley's chin is better. While I believe Mosley's power > Pacquiao's power.
thats if he landed that lucky punch. thats all he did in the fight and thats a big 'if'. pac would destroy that version of mosley. its suicidal for a fighter to fade after 4 rounds.
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no way pacquiao knocks out mosley. beat him, fine. but theres no way in hell he knocks him out. mosley looked lost cuz he was fighting a smarter more skilled oponent, that wouldnt be the case against pac. the speed and power of mosley would be more dangerous to pac then the other way around, shane took bombs from 154lbers and big WW punchers, pac fought strong guys at WW but not punchers, except for oscar but he couldnt get of all night.
mosleys skill level is way higher than cottos, if u cant see that your boxing IQ is limited bro. sometimes shane lacks patience and makes technical mistakes but his fundamental base is still much better than cottos, and he has more advanced skills too. its not even close.
mosley never ran against floyd eighter, that again shows your limited boxing knowledge. i dont mean to be rude but its true, mainstream fans often dont know what running really is and u clearly dont. hardcore fans do.
shane looked bad cuz he got neutralized, against forrest and winky he looked the same way, its that hes confused not old. but it takes a master boxer to get him in that situation something which pac is not, hes a physical fighter and i struggle to see that type of fighter beat shane, a KO is out of the question. pac wouldnt outsmart or outskill mosley, shane has the advantage in both those areas. plus he can almost match pacs speed, with more power and size. mosley by KO.
silly, silly man. cotto beat mosley, and you say his skill level isn't even close to mosley's? the mosley who got beaten around by forrest and winky and MAYORGA? cotto outboxed him through most of those rounds, and mosley couldn't catch him in those later rounds when cotto started moving backwards. maybe mosley was just bored, didn't want to reveal that vastly superior skill? or maybe you're just a shane mosley ball licker, even now.
not to say i'm against shane. he's one of my favorite fighters. but he's deeply flawed, just like cotto, and late in his career they were about the same, and i wouldn't be surprised if they fought 10 times and came out 5-5.
who said mosley ran against floyd? cotto ran. that's why he survived 12 rounds and almost made it to the final bell. i'm saying a discouraged shane mosley wouldn't have made it to that final bell cause he wouldn't have had the stamina to last that long.
no doubt mosley was confused. no doubt he was beaten by a superior boxer. but i saw ricardo mayorga make him look confused, and i don't see anybody calling mayorga a master boxer.
finally, mosley had great skills, world-class skills really, but to say he's on another league from pac reveals you to be a silly, silly man indeed. you're right about smarts though, shane's definitely smarter than pac. but that's what freddie roach is for.
and i don't understand how anybody can still doubt manny's chin after cotto and clottey. pac would have been rocked (anybody would), but he would have recovered.
he proved hes got a decent chin or better at WW but that doesnt mean u can take shots from mosley, floyd has a great chin and look at him when he got hit flush.
clottey isnt even a puncher. hes strong but hes not a puncher at all, he hit judah with his best shots repetedly and never stunned him or anything, floyd hurt judah more when he hit him. clottey doesnt have a history of knocking any top fighters out, judah was stopped on a cut. when in clotteys career has he displayed punching power? seriously have i missed something, cuz i damn sure havent seen it. eighter way he only landed like 2-3 clean shots on pac, with no history of 1 punch KOs why should pac not take those shots well?
cotto is a good puncher, but hes not a 1 punch KO artist eighter, he breaks guys down. he didnt hit manny enough to break him down or apply pressure which is what made most of his oponents fold more so than his power. he has no real history of knocking guys out with one punch, no early KOs at the top level. hes a powerful puncher dont get me wrong, but he cant be compared to mosley as far as explosive power is concerned. mosley stretched vargas with 1 punch, out of nowhere. he bombed out alot of fighters early and knocked guys out cold. cotto hasnt done that, he breaks guys down with pressure and take their heart. the old cotto anyways before his soul got knocked out by margarito.
that pac took a few shots from clottey and cotto doesnt mean he can take mosleys shots. not saying he cant take a punch, he can. but mosley is a diffrent kind of puncher compared to the guys pac fought.
nah. cotto and clottey both hit pac with bombs and pac shrugged and dominated them. both floyd and pac have iron chins at welterweight. i can see pac getting hurt by a punch he didn't see, but i don't see him getting knocked out.
meanwhile, he'd be landing heavy shots on shane too.
The problem with those two examples is that they both were 1 shotting. They expected 1 hard punch to be enough and never followed up. Clottey hurt Pacquiao once and never followed up. Cotto hurt Pacquiao once and never followed up. Cotto then got obliterated with the speed and power. Clottey just never punched what-so-ever.
The difference with Mosley is, when he smells blood in the water he goes for the kill. He couldn't do that with Mayweather because Mayweather clinched hard.
Pacquiao doesn't know what a clinch is. He would have ended up going out on his shield. By that I mean, he would have went out swinging.
When Pacquiao gets rocked he keeps fighting with his hands down. They would have traded shots... it comes down to who's punch is harder and who's chin is stronger. Undebateable, Mosley's chin is better. While I believe Mosley's power > Pacquiao's power.