Sugar Ray Leonard: Tough To Go Against Mayweather (Video)

The funny thing is when they talk about this being as big or even bigger than Leonard - Hearns is that stylistically Floyd is more like Ray leonard and Mosley is more like Thomas Hearns haha, but Mosley is the "sugar" in this case only nickname wise.. stylistically floyd is alot more like ray leonard than mosley Yeah...I don't really like how they compare this to Leonard v. Hearns. You really can't compare WW division at all to those times. I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way its just different. The WW division today is composed of guys in their 3rd plus division at WW and back then it was guys in their first division at WW more or less so they were a lot bigger.

one day you are going to have to give the man some credit wether you like it or not. If he beats Shane you should start but you wont. If he beats Shane & Pac then you have no choice or you will just look bad Naw I can't conceive a scenario that will make this dude give Mayweather credit but it doesn't matter though. You can't please everybody.

Being talented and being great are two different things. Talented is Floyd, Great is MAB who fought everyone. Morales who fought everyone. Lewis who fought everyone. DLH who fought everyone. Mosley who fought everyone. Hopkins who fought everyone. Trinidad who fought everyone. Tszyu who fought everyone. Holyfield who fought everyone. JMM who fought everyone. Pacman who fights everyone. All fighters of his generation. Floyd avoided everyone who was a contender at ww and that is the problem. Beating a past prime Gatti or a overrated Hatton isn't impressive. Baldomir, Judah, are you kidding me? Floyd stopped fighting great fighters at 135. Cotto, P-Will, Marg, Mosley, he could have left no question marks behind instead he fights a past prime Mosley. Do I think he would have beat all of those fighters? Yup, but he didn't which puts his greatness in question. Part of fulfilling Greatness is fighting everyone, leaving no question marks behind. If you are comparing SRL and Mayweather's resume and give any love to Mayweather's resume at 147 you are not a very well educated boxing fan.

The funny thing is when they talk about this being as big or even bigger than Leonard - Hearns is that stylistically Floyd is more like Ray leonard and Mosley is more like Thomas Hearns haha, but Mosley is the "sugar" in this case only nickname wise.. stylistically floyd is alot more like ray leonard than mosley

sarcasm isnt funny if you do it in every single post. Switch it up sometimes, the shit is corny im just trying to give an honest breakdown between 2 all time great fighters so people can compare them side by side. leonard and mayweather are 2 nip and tuck fighters each who made their historic mark on the sport. here is another similarity between the two i found. leonard retired for 2 years because of a detached retina. some say that was just a convenient way of avoiding the tough challengers like donald curry, mike mccallum and a thomas hearns rematch. floyd retired for 2 years and many say that was just to avoid the tough challengers like margarito, cotto, and paul williams. when leonard did come back he faced fringe contender kevin howard and looked terrible being knocked down for the first time. leonard said he didn't have it anymore and retired for 3 more years. when mayweather came back he fought the p4p number 2 fighter in the world and easily outclassed him proving he still had it. leonard eventually did come back for an epic fight moving up 2 divisions against the middleweight champion 32 year old marvin hagler. floyd came back and is fighting the 38 year old welterweight champion shane mosley. some people thought the 32 year old hagler was already on the slide when ray fought him. is the 38 year old mosley on the slide? will there be a controversial decision just like hagler-leonard? all these questions will be answered and no matter what happens i hope neither guy quits boxing and becomes an actor in france if they don't like the decision.

sarcasm isnt funny if you do it in every single post. Switch it up sometimes, the shit is corny i thought he was being serious, lol. I don't know how he can compare the 2 resumes he posted, but, aye, just to keep the debate clean it doesn't hurt to run with it haha.

i apologize i wasn't trying to compare entire careers but just welterweight careers and such. i know mayweather has won belts in a lot of divisions and deserves much respect. i'm comparing mayweathers 5 year career at welterweight to leonard's 5 year career at welterweight. leonard started his pro career in 1977- he fought 9 top ten ranked welterweights(besides the superfights)-floyd mayweather, randy shields, armando muniz, johnny gant, adolfo viruet, pete ranzany, andy price, davey green, and bruce finch and knocked out 7 of them. he then knocked out 38-0 prime wilfred benitez for the wbc title he then fought prime roberto duran who had just dominated former welterweight champ carlos palomino. leonard lost this fight(what a bum) he then fought roberto duran again and won via tko he then knocked out undefeated #1 ranked 154 champion ayub kalule for the wba belt as a tune up for thomas hearns he then knocked out a prime undefeated thomas hearns in a unification fight for the wba/wbc belts sugar ray leonard did all this in a 5 year period from 1977-1982 and retired temporarily before the age of 26. he came back to beat hagler and stuff but who cares. mayweather started his welterweight career in 2005- he fought 2 top ten ranked welterweights during that time-zab judah, carlos baldomir and knocked out none of them he fought former 140 pound champ 35 year old sharmba mitchell and won via knockout he fought champion (43-9-6) 35 year old carlos baldomir for the linear welterweight championship and won via UD he fought current 140 pound champion and former 147 beltholder ricky hatton and won via knockout he fought current 135 pound champion 36 year old juan manuel marquez and won via UD he fought 6th rated 154 pound wbc beltholder 35 year old oscar delahoya and won via split decision. floyd mayweather did all this in a 5 year period from 2005-2010. 2 very very close resumes during their prime years and you can't really go wrong with either one. me personally i would pick floyd cause he is still gonna add on to the greateness he already has laid down. sarcasm isnt funny if you do it in every single post. Switch it up sometimes, the shit is corny

i apologize i wasn't trying to compare entire careers but just welterweight careers and such. i know mayweather has won belts in a lot of divisions and deserves much respect. i'm comparing mayweathers 5 year career at welterweight to leonard's 5 year career at welterweight. leonard started his pro career in 1977- he fought 9 top ten ranked welterweights(besides the superfights)-floyd mayweather, randy shields, armando muniz, johnny gant, adolfo viruet, pete ranzany, andy price, davey green, and bruce finch and knocked out 7 of them. he then knocked out 38-0 prime wilfred benitez for the wbc title he then fought prime roberto duran who had just dominated former welterweight champ carlos palomino. leonard lost this fight(what a bum) he then fought roberto duran again and won via tko he then knocked out undefeated #1 ranked 154 champion ayub kalule for the wba belt as a tune up for thomas hearns he then knocked out a prime undefeated thomas hearns in a unification fight for the wba/wbc belts sugar ray leonard did all this in a 5 year period from 1977-1982 and retired temporarily before the age of 26. he came back to beat hagler and stuff but who cares. mayweather started his welterweight career in 2005- he fought 2 top ten ranked welterweights during that time-zab judah, carlos baldomir and knocked out none of them he fought former 140 pound champ 35 year old sharmba mitchell and won via knockout he fought champion (43-9-6) 35 year old carlos baldomir for the linear welterweight championship and won via UD he fought current 140 pound champion and former 147 beltholder ricky hatton and won via knockout he fought current 135 pound champion juan manuel marquez and won via UD he fought 6th rated wbc beltholder 35 year old oscar delahoya and won via split decision. floyd mayweather did all this in a 5 year period from 2005-2010. 2 very very close resumes during their prime years and you can't really go wrong with either one. me personally i would pick floyd cause he is still gonna add on to the greateness he already has laid down. Just knowing what leonards opponents went on and did though, and him fighting that level of comp so close to each other speaks volumes IMO. There is an argument for all of floyds wins. It's like.. floyd beat ranked men but how good were they really? You know? Baldimor is a good example.. judah is another. Judah's skill level is brilliant, i love him. But his heart is awful, i hate him. haha

youre a funny dude. Nevermind that prime Benitez was only 21. Nevermind that Duran came up from a million weight classes lower while SRL was in his 1st class and was a Huge WW and nevermind that Duran beat him the 1st time. Nevermind that Hearns was beating dat ass the whole fight before his weak chin couldnt hold up. Stop hating man. Look, SRL is a legend so I will never argue his greatness but you make the mistake that alot of others do and that is judging a WW SRL against a WW Floyd even though its Floyd's 4th class & SRLs 1st and he was a huge WW. You look at them at WW and think SRL kills Floyd but thats not fair to judge that way. You should judge them in a P4P sense and you are a fool if you think a SFW Mayweather cant hang with a WW SRL. Give the man his props. A SFW Mayweather more than holds his own against SRL wether you want to admit it or not and Floyd himself was also fighting monsters like an undefeated Chico when he was 23 which no one does nowdays so dont make it sound like Floyd is so inferior. Stop that hate, man i apologize i wasn't trying to compare entire careers but just welterweight careers and such. i know mayweather has won belts in a lot of divisions and deserves much respect. i'm comparing mayweathers 5 year career at welterweight to leonard's 5 year career at welterweight. leonard started his pro career in 1977- he fought 9 top ten ranked welterweights(besides the superfights)-floyd mayweather, randy shields, armando muniz, johnny gant, adolfo viruet, pete ranzany, andy price, davey green, and bruce finch and knocked out 7 of them. he then knocked out 38-0 prime wilfred benitez for the wbc title he then fought prime roberto duran who had just dominated former welterweight champ carlos palomino. leonard lost this fight(what a bum) he then fought roberto duran again and won via tko he then knocked out undefeated #1 ranked 154 champion ayub kalule for the wba belt as a tune up for thomas hearns he then knocked out a prime undefeated thomas hearns in a unification fight for the wba/wbc belts sugar ray leonard did all this in a 5 year period from 1977-1982 and retired temporarily before the age of 26. he came back to beat hagler and stuff but who cares. mayweather started his welterweight career in 2005- he fought 2 top ten ranked welterweights during that time-zab judah, carlos baldomir and knocked out none of them he fought former 140 pound champ 35 year old sharmba mitchell and won via knockout he fought champion (43-9-6) 35 year old carlos baldomir for the linear welterweight championship and won via UD he fought current 140 pound champion and former 147 beltholder ricky hatton and won via knockout he fought current 135 pound champion 36 year old juan manuel marquez and won via UD he fought 6th rated 154 pound wbc beltholder 35 year old oscar delahoya and won via split decision. floyd mayweather did all this in a 5 year period from 2005-2010. 2 very very close resumes during their prime years and you can't really go wrong with either one. me personally i would pick floyd cause he is still gonna add on to the greateness he already has laid down.

Leonard really didn't pick anyone...I would guess he's favoring Floyd tho...

It seems like defeating the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranked P4P fighters in consecutive matches should be a pretty big accomplishment. If Floyd can't get credit for beating elite competition like that, what does he have to do to earn some respect? Does he have to move up to heavyweight and KO both the Klitschkos for people to consider him a great fighter? This is true. But there is a huge arguement for all wins. The JMM arguement has already gone into play, and it's one I'm actually inclined to agree with now. I do believe he had no business fighting at that weight but the outcome would have been the same regardless. The Mosley argument will be that it's too late now, it should have happened sooner. And, although it's a shitty dispute, we can all agree that mosley lost to cotto, looked terrible against Mayorga, and is suddenly being called a god for his win against Margi - which is a serious style disaster from teh get go because mosley clinches a lot, margi, even with plaster, would have never gotten anything off anyhow.Plus.. the dude just.. eats leather. But, that's another point. Like i was saying, lost to cotto, terrible against mayorga, beats margi (who is being called nothing without cheating, idk why) and hasn't fought in well over a year, plus is old. You see? there's a lot going on here that taints his victories - and i do think people gave mosley far too much credit for the margi win. perhaps if this fight was taking place a little after mosleys win we could say, cool, he just had a win, but it's been a while since he has been in the ring. People will dispute these things. Pacman is the best win floyd can get right now. THe man has came up, beaten weight stipulations or not, he's beaten LIVE opponents who are very fit at the weight and he's proven his worth.

It seems like defeating the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranked P4P fighters in consecutive matches should be a pretty big accomplishment. If Floyd can't get credit for beating elite competition like that, what does he have to do to earn some respect? Does he have to move up to heavyweight and KO both the Klitschkos for people to consider him a great fighter? and all of that is after a 2 year retirment and came straight back against the top 3 guys

You are saying Floyd will get credit for Shane/pacman but these fights are practically tailer made for him, real enthusiasts will not give him full credit for these wins. It seems like defeating the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranked P4P fighters in consecutive matches should be a pretty big accomplishment. If Floyd can't get credit for beating elite competition like that, what does he have to do to earn some respect? Does he have to move up to heavyweight and KO both the Klitschkos for people to consider him a great fighter?

I was just pointing out reasons for why people will find reasons to descredit floyd, is all. Because you said he will get his credit 1 day. I think it's been established before that Shane can appear quite stale on occasion, and, "jittery". As if he's looking for what to do, but can't exactly get himself to do it - lol. I personally will give floyd all teh credit in the world for both wins, i think they are huge wins and the best he can get at the moment. But people have already began to make the case of shane being old and things of that sort. So, people will always find an avenue to take that leads to floyd being robbed of all credit due. As for the debate you and daggum are having, those are very sound arguments. The duran argument especially - because it's one that people can make for pacman if he loses to Floyd as well. " pac came up from this weight, that weight, is small ". In fact, it's what Floyd complains about the most. What hurts the argument though is durans success at the higher weight classes, like pacmans. The fact that he proved he could compete at an elite level even out of his best weight makes that a very solid win IMO - unlike JMM who IMO would not be able to compete at 147, period. As for the Floyd vs SRR debate. SRR being a huge welter, one who is willing to engage, fast, can bang or box, imo makes that a very bad fight for the smaller more subtle floyd mayweather. But to each their own. Floyd, p4p though, has proven he is better than many of the greats. SRL didn't have a good career at all when he changed weights. ok cool. Nah, I know they will still hate on him like they always do. I was just speaking specifically to that 1 poster. H loves to hate on Floyd but he has to man up and change up some if Floyd beats Mosley & Pac but I doubt it. They already ripped him non stop for not fighting Mosley and as soon as he signed, now Mosley is old, shot, too inactive, etc..

Dude, Im a Floyd fan and I agree with you on alot of that stuff but that has nothing to do with him getting credit. There is always a reason why someone wins. That doesnt mean you should get more or less credit. This is boxing and everyone signed up for the same thing. I just dont get how Floyd shouldnt get much credit for those wins. Also, there are a ton of people who will argue with you about the tailor made stuff. Alot of people think Mosley's style is perfect to beat Floyd because he's bigger, stronger, can match Floyd's speed, has fought bigger guys, has fought better guys, is a HOF, has power, has no fear, and can put pressure on Floyd and force him to fight. Others think Pac has grown alot as a pure boxer, can match or has more speed than Floyd, has more power, and they think Southpaws give Floyd hell. Alot of people think these 2 are the exact opposite of being tailored made for Floyd I was just pointing out reasons for why people will find reasons to descredit floyd, is all. Because you said he will get his credit 1 day. I think it's been established before that Shane can appear quite stale on occasion, and, "jittery". As if he's looking for what to do, but can't exactly get himself to do it - lol. I personally will give floyd all teh credit in the world for both wins, i think they are huge wins and the best he can get at the moment. But people have already began to make the case of shane being old and things of that sort. So, people will always find an avenue to take that leads to floyd being robbed of all credit due. As for the debate you and daggum are having, those are very sound arguments. The duran argument especially - because it's one that people can make for pacman if he loses to Floyd as well. " pac came up from this weight, that weight, is small ". In fact, it's what Floyd complains about the most. What hurts the argument though is durans success at the higher weight classes, like pacmans. The fact that he proved he could compete at an elite level even out of his best weight makes that a very solid win IMO - unlike JMM who IMO would not be able to compete at 147, period. As for the Floyd vs SRR debate. SRR being a huge welter, one who is willing to engage, fast, can bang or box, imo makes that a very bad fight for the smaller more subtle floyd mayweather. But to each their own. Floyd, p4p though, has proven he is better than many of the greats. SRL didn't have a good career at all when he changed weights.

guys i'm glad i created a good honest debate. each of us as individuals can decide who we think is the better fighter between leonard, floyd. or whoever. there's no wrong answer as it's all personal preference/ i also forgot to add- leonard beat 9 top 10 rated welterweights according to the ring ratings besides the guys below. leonard knocked out a 38-0 wilfred benitez in his prime leonard knocked out a 72-1 roberto duran in his prime leonard knocked out a 32-0 thomas hearns in his prime oh and in between these fights he moved up to 154 and beat the undefeated champion ayub kalule as a tune up no biggie. all this was done before he turned 26 before he had that eye injury and temporary retirement. imagine if he had never retired he could have been one of the all time greats and maybe even up there with floyd mayweather jr. youre a funny dude. Nevermind that prime Benitez was only 21. Nevermind that Duran came up from a million weight classes lower while SRL was in his 1st class and was a Huge WW and nevermind that Duran beat him the 1st time. Nevermind that Hearns was beating dat ass the whole fight before his weak chin couldnt hold up. Stop hating man. Look, SRL is a legend so I will never argue his greatness but you make the mistake that alot of others do and that is judging a WW SRL against a WW Floyd even though its Floyd's 4th class & SRLs 1st and he was a huge WW. You look at them at WW and think SRL kills Floyd but thats not fair to judge that way. You should judge them in a P4P sense and you are a fool if you think a SFW Mayweather cant hang with a WW SRL. Give the man his props. A SFW Mayweather more than holds his own against SRL wether you want to admit it or not and Floyd himself was also fighting monsters like an undefeated Chico when he was 23 which no one does nowdays so dont make it sound like Floyd is so inferior. Stop that hate, man

guys i'm glad i created a good honest debate. each of us as individuals can decide who we think is the better fighter between leonard, floyd. or whoever. there's no wrong answer as it's all personal preference. i also forgot to add- leonard beat 9 top 10 rated welterweights according to the ring ratings besides the guys below. leonard knocked out a 38-0 wilfred benitez in his prime leonard knocked out a 72-1 roberto duran in his prime leonard knocked out a 32-0 thomas hearns in his prime oh and in between these fights he moved up to 154 and beat the undefeated champion ayub kalule as a tune up no biggie. all this was done before he turned 26 before he had that eye injury and temporary retirement. he never got a chance to prove himself as much as some greats like mayweather jr. have done. imagine if he had never retired and lost all that time. such a shame.

Dude, Im a Floyd fan and I agree with you on alot of that stuff but that has nothing to do with him getting credit. There is always a reason why someone wins. That doesnt mean you should get more or less credit. This is boxing and everyone signed up for the same thing. I just dont get how Floyd shouldnt get much credit for those wins. Also, there are a ton of people who will argue with you about the tailor made stuff. Alot of people think Mosley's style is perfect to beat Floyd because he's bigger, stronger, can match Floyd's speed, has fought bigger guys, has fought better guys, is a HOF, has power, has no fear, and can put pressure on Floyd and force him to fight. Others think Pac has grown alot as a pure boxer, can match or has more speed than Floyd, has more power, and they think Southpaws give Floyd hell. Alot of people think these 2 are the exact opposite of being tailored made for Floyd

Pac Man is the #1 rated fighter in the sport, period. He's been killing everyone. He's also a Southpaw which is a huge advanatage in boxing. Shane Mosley is a HOF thats been fighting the best his whole career and fighting guys way bigger than Floyd. If these 2 are tailor made for Floyd and Floyd cant get credit for beating them then what is the point of him even fighting them or boxing anymore, period? Honestly sit down and look at his opposition though. Don't let his current rank fool you. I'll answer your second question first - Money. Floyd has already said he doesn't give a damn about his legacy. He wants the fights that generate money though, Shane and Pacman are those fights man. He'd rematch oscar or hatton in a heartbeat if he could as well - he already said he wanted to anyhow. Its all about money. Yes, they are tailer made. Pacman has been killing everyone - who? Cotto? Hatton? Oscar? Diaz? JMM? Marquez? Morales? I can go on - fact is.. pacs biggest wins all have something in common. These are all men (exception of oscar, who we wont even mention LOL) who like to engage, push foward, just really like to fight. pacman has been chopping down men that fit his style man. That's not taking anythign away from him, but as a real student of the game you have to at least take that into account. Floyd is superior than everyone on pacs resume now, and doesn't resemble any of pacs former opponents in any way at all. It's a complete 180 than what he is accustomed to. These things pay divident.

Pac Man is the #1 rated fighter in the sport, period. He's been killing everyone. He's also a Southpaw which is a huge advanatage in boxing. Shane Mosley is a HOF thats been fighting the best his whole career and fighting guys way bigger than Floyd. If these 2 are tailor made for Floyd and Floyd cant get credit for beating them then what is the point of him even fighting them or boxing anymore, period?