If Floyd beats Shane, will you consider him #1 P4P?

Did Pac beat Floyd to take his spot? Pac earned it by beating the best. Floyd beat nobody after Chico, thats the reality so shut the fuk up.

They are in the same division but not the same size. are you really going to argue they're not the same size based on a couple of pounds difference? Negligible IMO

They are in the same division but not the same size. If they fight in same division they are both welterweights. Period.

Yes. Him beating Mosley is better then any win Pac has. its a great win.....but not better than any win pac has......

A prime Barrera got KTFO by Junior Jones and lost the immediate rematch as well. Anyone who thinks Barrera is better than Mosley is retarded, simple. Barrera is not a better fighter than Mosley and never was. Mosley is faster, punches harder, has a better chin, and better defense. There is nothing Barrera has ever done better than Mosley. Ever.

U gotta beat pac to be #1...

I consider them both #1 P4P until one of the following things happen: a) Pac and Mayweather fight each other b) Either loses c) Either retires d) Either starts fighting drastically lower competition Otherwise it's too close to call and I just consider them 1a and 1b. ill cosign this

I give Mosley a chance BUT we must remember that you guys are basing this P4P on a Mosley that is soon to be 39 and that hasn't fought in 1.5 years. Floyd is also favored by a 4 - 1 margin. He needs to fight 1 or 2 guys who are favored to beat him or who at least make the odds respectable or who is P4P before we can hand this P4P over to him. Not before! name 1 fighter that would be favored to beat mayweather though...thats within weight range of course.

He could be just favored against mayweather if they ever fought. judging from the early lines from vegas mayweather opened 2-1 when manny beat hatton & cotto & the anticipation of a clash vs mayweather. Come fight night depending on the hype throughout the build up & how floyd looks vs shane, Pac could very well be favored. floyd & manny even though they are now in the same division, i personally dont feel pacquiao is a real welterweight. I thought he was already pushing it at 140. manny started at 106 floyd at 130. that's a big difference. this whole p4p classification was made on the hypothetical match between both fighters if they were the same size & its decided by resume, skill, activity, caliber of opponents fought & just a overall body of work. obviously pacquiao & mayweather are not the same size so you have to put the other intangibles in play to decide the rankings. If both fighters were the same size i would favor pacquiao. but they are not. Mayweather is a little bigger, but keep in mind Pac hits harder. Were Pac the same size, it still wouldn't change the fact that Mayweather's more skilled, and it wouldn't change the fact that stylistically, Mayweather would be all wrong for Pac. Pac could be the same size, or ODLH sized, and would still be outboxed. At the end of the day, Mayweather and Pac share 4 weight classes, and Mayweather would most likely win H2H in all of them. But of course, Pac's better P4P.

Did Pac beat Floyd to take his spot? LOL Mayweather retired and the spot went to an active fighter, Mayweather came back and beat a featherweight. But before Mayweather retired I kept questioning, how can Mayweather be the best lb4lb if he isn't the best at his own weight?

for all the people who currently have pacquiao atop the p4p list...which there is nothing wrong with at this point. a win against shane is a GREAT win and floyd will get all the credit from me if he beats shane. but, in order for him to be #1 again, he needs to beat pac or pac should retire from boxing

They are in the same division but not the same size. That is where we differ. I'm not cool with looking at physical dimensions and what not. They are regularly fighting in the same division - they are the same size. That is my opinion.

Yes floyd will be #1 p4p , pac is media hyped and built up, it is all smoke and mirrors.

How is that? Floyd started at 130. pac at 106. Floyd's highest weight in which he won a title was 154. manny at 147. Floyd has how many fights at 147 compared to how many fights manny has above 130? Floyd is 5'8 w/ a 72 inch reach vs manny who is 5'6 with a 67 inch reach. Manny has yet to weigh in at 147 lbs for his 3 (2 if you take out the oscar fight) welterweight fights. Manny just got to the division in 08, 09. Floyds been in the division since 2005. How does that compute to being the same size & been in the same division the same time? When I am assessing two fighters on a p4p basis I look at where they are at right now, not where they started in the 90s, not where they were at in 2005, not 5 fights ago. We are not assessing their careers p4p here, we are assessing where they should be ranked RIGHT NOW. Therefore, given that they are both currently well and truly established as 147 pounders they are, for the purpose of this assessment, the same size.

Did Pac beat Floyd to take his spot? no floyd retired and pac destroyed everyone worth it in 3 weight classes-duh

No floyd retired, and pac destroyed all commers in 3 weight classes duh

He could be just favored against mayweather if they ever fought. judging from the early lines from vegas mayweather opened 2-1 when manny beat hatton & cotto & the anticipation of a clash vs mayweather. Come fight night depending on the hype throughout the build up & how floyd looks vs shane, Pac could very well be favored. floyd & manny even though they are now in the same division, i personally dont feel pacquiao is a real welterweight. I thought he was already pushing it at 140. manny started at 106 floyd at 130. that's a big difference. this whole p4p classification was made on the hypothetical match between both fighters if they were the same size & its decided by resume, skill, activity, caliber of opponents fought & just a overall body of work. obviously pacquiao & mayweather are not the same size so you have to put the other intangibles in play to decide the rankings. If both fighters were the same size i would favor pacquiao. but they are not. This is a bit of a stretch. There is no material size difference between the two IMO. Both have been fighting at WW for some time and have established themselves at that weight. They are both Welters.

At least!! How do you mean "at least"? Are you saying that if Floyd beat Mosley and then Pac that he wouldn't rightfully be p4p#1?

No, because he'd have to fight and beat the #1 (Pacquiao). If he hadn't retired and the roles were reversed, Pac would be #2, and Floyd would still be #1. Also depends how Floyd wins (i.e close fight, lopsided victory, KO, etc) and No, Im not a "Pactard" (LOL...weird)

pacquiao just became somewhat of a real welterweight in 2009. Floyd has been a welterweight since 2005 then he retired in 2008 when the division was the most loaded in boxing. You can technically say pacman became a welterweight vs oscar but i wont. the guy weighed in at junior welterweight vs oscar. Styles makes fights, & considering the size advantage floyd has over pac & the fact that pacquiao only has 3 fights at welterweight floyd should be favored. Still what does that have to do with the question at hand? Just that, if Pac is a better fighter pound for pound, to the extent that Mayweather couldn't beat anyone to be ranked higher than Pac then Pac himself, I would expect Pac to be favored H2H. But the thing is he most likely would lose to Mayweather at 147,140,135, and 130.