This is a no nuthuggers zone.... Floyd fans if you see something in Shane that concerns you... post your thoughtful comments so we can have a meaningful discussion.
From the videos you've seen (24/7 and others...) in your opinion does Sugar Shane Mosley appear to be:
a) A deer in the headlights.... out of his element.... unsure in anyway about his chances.... (ie. he's acting confident about defeating Floyd, but deep down he's just not sure and you can see the concern in his eyes)
OR
b) eerily confident.... unphased at the trash talk.... uneffected by the PED comments.... calm and collected like he knows something that floyd doesn't....
Shane has wanted this fight badly for a reason.. TO me he looks very very confident as if he knows he will win easier than people think. Shane love competition and people like him don't have fear or respect. They have a healthy denial that does not let them ever feel inferior to anyone. Refuse to lose.. So fear is not the issue for Shane.
Can't say I disagree with your observation but that raises the question..... will this love for competition and lack of fear work for Shane or against him once he gets into the ring?
If he has no respect for Floyd's skills will it effect his ability to keep his emotions in check or will he try to bully Floyd and end up fighting the kind of fight Floyd wants to fight?
Judah had some success in getting through Floyd's defense early...... and to think that Mosley won't be able to test it as well is unreasonable.
Anyone saying that Mosley will be easy work for Floyd is being unreasonable.
The question is...... will Shane be able to land flush enough times AND will his punching power (being more than Judah...) be enough to get Floyd out of his comfort zone. Will this be the first time you see Floyd abandoning his plan and having to resort to opening up and trading with Shane..... possibly but I just dont see that happening.
No discredit to Shane but when it comes to ring smarts... I give the nod to Floyd... he is just too ring saavy to be drawn into someone else's fight.
I totally agree
We all know if Shane lands flush on May, may is gonna ride his bike a little more but if Shane can land flulsh on May a few times it could leave money just trying to survive and really hesitant to pull the trigger
thats what I would like to see but i really think its going to be a close fight and Mayweather is gonna pull it out in the end
UD 115-113 7rds to 5
its no secret that Mayweather is the king of +/- stats.... no way shane gets a decision in this fight... if it goes to the cards, he is fukked
If fight decisions were ONLY based on punch stats...... I would agree with you.
The problem is that thrown/landed stats that we see play no roll in the judging. Those are for fan knowledge but the judges aren't privy to those stats in the course of scoring a fight.
Judges establish their own punches landed opinion and use that as a part of the overall judging criterion in determining the winner of a fight.
Had Oscar stayed behind his jab in the 9th-12th rounds against Floyd and contiuned to press the fight a bit.... he could have possibly earned 2 of the last 4 rounds.
In doing so Oscar could have won the fight on the score cards..... and been way behind in the fight according to punch stats.
Mayweather cannot affort to give away early rounds like he did with Oscar. If he does you will see the biggest display of poor sportsmanship on Floyds part for claiming he won the fight according to punchstats but losing the fight on the cards for not engaging enough early in the fight.
I think that Mosley is vry confident about this fight. He knows that he is faster than anyone that Floyd has faced (with the exception of Judah) and has the chin and the heart to be in the fight. He has really good pop and he knows he will land flush on him. SO can Floyd take that punch? But in retrospec he is nervous too cause he has never faced someone on Floyds level. Plus he knows he isnt good at adapting. so what is he going to do if that doesnt work.
The thing I have a hard time dealing with is how people say that floyd is going to dominate. In order to get his punches off and dominate he has to take risks and once he does Mosley is going to tag him and hard. You all make it sound like floyd is going to get his shots off and not get hit. THe only time he did that was against a baldomir who is slower than Malasses going up hill
Judah had some success in getting through Floyd's defense early...... and to think that Mosley won't be able to test it as well is unreasonable.
Anyone saying that Mosley will be easy work for Floyd is being unreasonable.
The question is...... will Shane be able to land flush enough times AND will his punching power (being more than Judah...) be enough to get Floyd out of his comfort zone. Will this be the first time you see Floyd abandoning his plan and having to resort to opening up and trading with Shane..... possibly but I just dont see that happening.
No discredit to Shane but when it comes to ring smarts... I give the nod to Floyd... he is just too ring saavy to be drawn into someone else's fight.
Anybody that says Mosley cant win if it goes to the cards..... i think their thought process is a bit misguided. A decision for Shane is not improbable. To think the only way Shane wins is by knockout is a discredit to Shane.
its no secret that Mayweather is the king of +/- stats.... no way shane gets a decision in this fight... if it goes to the cards, he is fukked
I think that Mosley is vry confident about this fight. He knows that he is faster than anyone that Floyd has faced (with the exception of Judah) and has the chin and the heart to be in the fight. He has really good pop and he knows he will land flush on him. SO can Floyd take that punch? But in retrospec he is nervous too cause he has never faced someone on Floyds level. Plus he knows he isnt good at adapting. so what is he going to do if that doesnt work.
The thing I have a hard time dealing with is how people say that floyd is going to dominate. In order to get his punches off and dominate he has to take risks and once he does Mosley is going to tag him and hard. You all make it sound like floyd is going to get his shots off and not get hit. THe only time he did that was against a baldomir who is slower than Malasses going up hill
That's up for debate at least at this weight class because we've seen Cotto against the big dogs of the WW division, not so much in Mayweather. I believe he has power in the sense of breaking the opponent down like how Cotto does (or did?), but he really hasn't displayed that whether he chooses to fight that way or he simply doesn't have the power to hurt legit 147lb fighters. I think for Mayweather to really make Mosley feel his power, he's gonna have to take risks. Right now, I'm still not too sure if Floyd is going to engage or play the Sugar Ray role ala Hagler vs Leonard.
If he chooses not to engage an active Mosley (who is smart enough not to jump in and try to rough things up) Floyd could find himself on the losing end on things.
Would it be unreasonable for a fighter to be on the short end of the stats but win the fight against an opponent who chooses to engage as little as possible?
Floyd will need to be plenty active and in doing so he takes on additional risk against a plenty fast Shane..... timing is another issue. I just dont think Shane will be able to time Floyd. Floyd however should see plenty of opportunites to counter a Shane Mosley who isnt afraid to let his hands go.
Floyd will be in for a Dog fight. Shane knows how to close the show.
So yes I'm a Floyd Fan. I think Shane is Very Confident. The mind games aren't getting to him as much as Floyd would hope, at most its highly annoying Shane.
I have Mayweather surprising Mosley with his power.
I think Mayweather is stronger than Miguel Cotto btw.
That's up for debate at least at this weight class because we've seen Cotto against the big dogs of the WW division, not so much in Mayweather. I believe he has power in the sense of breaking the opponent down like how Cotto does (or did?), but he really hasn't displayed that whether he chooses to fight that way or he simply doesn't have the power to hurt legit 147lb fighters. I think for Mayweather to really make Mosley feel his power, he's gonna have to take risks. Right now, I'm still not too sure if Floyd is going to engage or play the Sugar Ray role ala Hagler vs Leonard.
I think he is confident and nervous.
Like every other fighter who steps in the ring. Nerves actually can be beneficial to you to keep you on your toes and not so loose.
Floyd will be in for a Dog fight. Shane knows how to close the show.
So yes I'm a Floyd Fan. I think Shane is Very Confident. The mind games aren't getting to him as much as Floyd would hope, at most its highly annoying Shane.
I have Mayweather surprising Mosley with his power.
I think Mayweather is stronger than Miguel Cotto btw.
Great Post!! Love hearing Floyd fans that can articulate a legitimate point and not be afraid to admit when they see a threat in Mosley.
(This is what seperates true boxing fans that appreciate Floyds skills...... and Pacquiao fans that aren't fans of the sweet science)!
Just the fact that Shane hired Brother Naazim with the very clear motive of "cleaning out the WW division" shows he's focused beyond anything we've seen since much earlier this decade.
Still, either fighter can win and I'm a fan of both. I got some money on Shane, though.
He can do it with some nice counter uppercuts and some body work (like Maidana did to Ortiz). We all know he's not gonna catch Mayweather cleanly enough to knock him out.
Anybody that says Mosley cant win if it goes to the cards..... i think their thought process is a bit misguided. A decision for Shane is not improbable. To think the only way Shane wins is by knockout is a discredit to Shane.
put him up to a lie detector test and ask him if he is going to knock him out, or even win. he wouldnt pass. but i dont think he cant land a few flush shots and get him out if floyd makes a mistake
Very well put.... your saying he can lie to the camera but he cant lie to himself...
If what you say is true... he has no chance.
He will need to bring 100% of his fight game, 100% of his conditioning, 100% of his will, and 100% of his confidence if he wants to taste victory on May 1st (because a 90% confident Shane will not get it done!!)
Floyd will be in for a Dog fight. Shane knows how to close the show.
So yes I'm a Floyd Fan. I think Shane is Very Confident. The mind games aren't getting to him as much as Floyd would hope, at most its highly annoying Shane.
I have Mayweather surprising Mosley with his power.
I think Mayweather is stronger than Miguel Cotto btw.
You ever notcie the look of horror and discouragement on fighters faces when they fight Floyd. Its like this dry, no hope expression. When Shane gets behind on the cards we'll see it. Floyds game is 90% mental. With his mouth or his skills he gest in fighters head. Shane can fall victim to that. Kind of like the Winky fights when Shane was in the corner with his head down.
An interesting take... but consider this
I decided to review and score the Mayweather v DLH fight last night for myself. Oscar is a slick boxer with a good jab and decent speed (comparative to Shane less the jab) I turned off the sound so I would not be influenced by announcers or fans. I fast forwarded through the CompuBox punch stats so as to not second guess my scoring after each round.
I scored the fight 115-113 for Mayweather (same as Jerry Roth) with Oscar being ahead after 8 rounds (5-3 for pressing the fight and pushing the attack...) After the 8th Oscar went away from the jab and I had Floyd winning the 9th 10th 11th and 12th rounds.
If you have Oscar winning even half of the final 4rounds then you end up with 113-115 for Oscar (same as Tommy Kazmarek). Mayweather was completely confused when the first score announced was for DLH (but the truth is it was Floyds fault for not being more active in the first 8 rounds)
When you give up so many early rounds you create a dangerous scenario. You give the judges permission to give rounds to an active fighter that isn't necessarily scoring clean punches.
If Mosley has an active boxers game plan and sticks to it (not jumping in and trying to rough up Floyd) AND if his conditioning doesn't fail him in the championship rounds..... I believe Floyd will cry foul like you've never heard before (for dominating the CompuBox stats.... but losing the fight for not being active enough in the early rounds). On May 1, sustained effective aggression without abandoning defense may be enough for Mosley to catch lightning in a bottle.
And as a Mayweather fan.... I don't think it would be a bad thing for Floyd!!
This is a no nuthuggers zone.... Floyd fans if you see something in Shane that concerns you... post your thoughtful comments so we can have a meaningful discussion.
From the videos you've seen (24/7 and others...) in your opinion does Sugar Shane Mosley appear to be:
a) A deer in the headlights.... out of his element.... unsure in anyway about his chances.... (ie. he's acting confident about defeating Floyd, but deep down he's just not sure and you can see the concern in his eyes)
OR
b) eerily confident.... unphased at the trash talk.... uneffected by the PED comments.... calm and collected like he knows something that floyd doesn't....
put him up to a lie detector test and ask him if he is going to knock him out, or even win. he wouldnt pass. but i dont think he cant land a few flush shots and get him out if floyd makes a mistake
I think shane is confident. What with Nazim and his studying of mayweather. He is a very humble guy, but i think he is also confident. Might not be enough though.