Notice: Floyd Mayweather Jr. DID NOT "Out-Skill" JMM

WOW...i'm not even a big Mayweather fan but good God you have to have a deep-rooted hatred for Floyd to make a comment like that No, you just have to know what you're talking about.

WOW...i'm not even a big Mayweather fan but good God you have to have a deep-rooted hatred for Floyd to make a comment like that

if a good big guy always beats a good small guy, why is pacman the number one ww in the world? back to the drawing board my friend. the weight was certainly part of the reason that floyd won so easily, but floyd's skill level was really very high on that night. if they fought that same fight at super featherweight i really doubt marquez could have beaten him then... I already discussed this, but I'll add to it. If a fighter that's smaller has a guy coming to him, and the smaller fighter takes away the disadvantage of being small (i.e. not be hit).the smaller fighter will win. But it's very hard to do. My theory doesn't really work both ways.

It's true. The reason why Floyd won is because a good big guy always beats a good little guy. When you fight lighter/smaller guys you're more relaxed because it doesn't require as much work, and it's in reverse when you fight bigger guys. As a result, fighters begin to tire and slow down, and it looks to be a mismatch, but it's really the size difference. If you don't believe me, go to the gym and spar with a smaller kid who's a little bit better than you technically but not as old/heavy as you naturally and you will see. Floyd had all the advantages in the fight, and easily won. But it was NOT because of a technical mismatch. Juan Manuel Marquez actually laid the blueprint on how to get to Mayweather. And Marquez landed clean shots throughout the fight (especially early), although they were not effective because JMM is no Welterweight. Juan was timing Mayweather before Juan got knocked down espcialy you could see Juan timing the leaping left hook especially. Something that I picked up on Floyd and Shane should use this over and over is to time Mayweather's lead hook. Floyd throws the punch (or steps in with the jab to the body) ONLY when his opponent takes a half step back (a get out of range step). Marquez picked up on it and was using it. If Mosley exploits this tendency, he won't land a weak but clean punch, he'll knocke Mayweather out. If you thought Mayweather looked good with his defense and offense against Marquez, and you think he'll do the same to Mosley, THINK AGAIN. a good big buy always beats a good little guy? So how come Kelly Pavlik who was 178lbs on fight night didn't beat tiny Sergio Martinez?

if a good big guy always beats a good small guy, why is pacman the number one ww in the world? back to the drawing board my friend. the weight was certainly part of the reason that floyd won so easily, but floyd's skill level was really very high on that night. if they fought that same fight at super featherweight i really doubt marquez could have beaten him then...had they fought when they both were smaller---floyd would have dominated jmm still and maybe even tried to stop him more---especially at 140---and at 130----you're right---his skill won the fight, not his size----a guy can have be big and have a lot of skill--and still lose to the smaller guy who fights the right fight---floyd moved up faster than jmm--that's all, and wass boxing before jmm---sharmba mitchell was a test for floyd and emanuel steward even favored sharmba to beat floyd, and floyd stopped him---- take de la hoya vs whitaker for instance----prime example--who really won that fight---who was bigger at the time?

floyd beat a skillful de la hoya and skillful coralles---you think shane is going to beat floyd if he imposes his size on him? i don't think so---shane has skills and if bigger than floyd---tarver lost to hopkins and he has a lot of skill and was bigger than him----paul williams beat winky and they both have skills---- you guys say manny has skills right? he beat cotto and ko'ed him didn't he? cotto has skills----quitana beat paul williams didn't he? i'm not getting this post---a skilled big man can lose to a skilled small man---why? coz it's been done before--- remember, floyd moved up 5 weight classes and is still undfeated and he's fought guys with a lot of skill and has beaten them, and dominated them---judah, de la hoya, and soon to be shane----jmm fought the wrong fight coz he wasn't skilled enough to beat floyd that night---he could have moved his feet more and tried to beat floyd that way---he lost to the more skilled fighter that night---and floyd didn't fight big---he fought smart and used his skillset to defeat jmm, that's all---nothing more---

if a good big guy always beats a good small guy, why is pacman the number one ww in the world? back to the drawing board my friend. the weight was certainly part of the reason that floyd won so easily, but floyd's skill level was really very high on that night. if they fought that same fight at super featherweight i really doubt marquez could have beaten him then...

Who cares? That fight means absolutely nothing. Move on already. Shane-Floyd is going down on the 1st.

floyd did out-skill jmm---he never really even used his size against him---what are you talking about? i remember ivan calderon out-skilling de la hoya when he sparred against him---it is about skill---floyd has fought bigger guys and fought small to beat them---that's why he's so versatile---coz he knows how to fight any style, no matter the size of his opponent---coralles outwieghed floyd by 9 pounds when they fought---and floyd fought small against him and moved and avoided his shots for the most part----that's nonsense to think floyd didn't out-skill jmm----floyd moved well in the fight with jmm, no different from majority of his other bouts---that's coz he used skill----if he just out-sized jmm--he wouldn't have moved so much to avoid his shots like that--and he would have fought more in the pocket---floyd just worked on toning up his balance, and movement and punches--he didn't even try to ko marquez----he wanted to get the rounds in and hsarpen up his skills in the ring----you're bugging out ts---

Knowing how Mayweather is, he would have loved to knock Marquez out to bolster his claim that he's better than the little Filipino. You don't always have to listen to Floyd to know what he wants, just understand how he is. Completely agree....if he knocked out Marquez there's no way he would accept a 50-50 split with Pac.

JMM was too small, he never had a chance.

Knowing how Mayweather is, he would have loved to knock Marquez out to bolster his claim that he's better than the little Filipino. You don't always have to listen to Floyd to know what he wants, just understand how he is.

He wasn't afraid to engage, the dude said that he need rounds. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=4488605 he also said in 24/7 that he wanted a KO.

Mayweather was already around 147 pounds days before the weigh in and when he purposely decided to come in at 146, he didn't have to sweat or exhaust so much energy to drain few pounds. Losing even a pound close to fight night takes so much out of the fighter. I was expecting Mayweather to knock out a slower, weaker and older Marquez. I was surprised he couldn't.

Exactly! I knew some people on here have SOME knowledge on here. Great post. He wasn't afraid to engage, the dude said that he need rounds. "I wanted to get in the rounds and I needed the work. I had to box smart the whole night. I am really glad to be back in boxing. I needed rounds." http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=4488605

You're pretty astute on your observation, and in addition, you can't expect an older Marquez to be faster and sharper when he went up 2 weight levels up. It's obvious that Marquez was not comfortable on welterweight level. I respect Mayweather's skills but he didn't really show much against an older and heavier Marquez. On top of that, Mayweather didn't have to lose so many pounds, thus, made him a lot stronger come fight night. Great post but if Mayweather didn't have to lose so many pounds why didn't he make the contract-obligated 144 limit? Why did he pay $600,000 to weigh two pounds extra? And why didn't he weigh himself on fight night?

You're pretty astute on your observation, and in addition, you can't expect an older Marquez to be faster and sharper when he went up 2 weight levels up. It's obvious that Marquez was not comfortable on welterweight level. I respect Mayweather's skills but he didn't really show much against an older and heavier Marquez. On top of that, Mayweather didn't have to lose so many pounds, thus, made him a lot stronger come fight night.

what a minute. so if floyd would've been faster and more mobile if he was lighter, then why didn't he fight at the contracted weight of 144 lbs? sounds fishy. Exactly. He got punished 600 thousand dollars for failing to make weight, and these people talk about the fight being at 135. Why wouldn't he weigh himself on fight night if the size difference had nothing to do with it? Even then, when Floyd was at 135 he got manhandled by Jose Luis Castillo.

Floyd was making Marquez miss by ducking UNDER Dinamita's punches. And then countering. That is essentially the textbook definition of outskilling somebody. At 135, Floyd would have been so much faster and more mobile and the gap would have been even wider. Floyd beats Marquez ten times out of ten. At any weight. ...and I'm a big Marquez fan. what a minute. so if floyd would've been faster and more mobile if he was lighter, then why didn't he fight at the contracted weight of 144 lbs? sounds fishy.

Floyd could have stopped him but he was afraid to engage - Believe it, watch it again. JMM is a first class counter puncher, and he did land some decent punches, Even with a little Guy Like JMM - Mayweather did not want a toe toe battle. JMM is just as skilled, but the size was a huge advantage for Floyd. A good bog man always beats a good little man. Now Floyd is fighting Shane, and SHane will put it on him. Exactly! I knew some people on here have SOME knowledge on here. Great post.