damn i think pavlik wanted to quit

The warrior that was Pavlik is gone.

Lowe is an oldschool trainer, he doesn't want his fighter to quit and pushes him when he doesn't want to.....

His body language and demeaner during he fight once martinez came on after that knockdown suggested that he wanted the fight to end. Hewas clearly a beaten fighter at that point

Martinez looked like he was wilting for a while there, but that left hand changed everything. You could see how it energized him. Pavlik then started to wilt. It was a good fight though. Momentum changes. After the 8th round I was smelling a Pavlik KO coming. Complete momentum shift at the end. that's why boxing is so much greater than MMA. MMA doesn't have that momentum change like boxing does. I.E. corrales/castillo etc.

Quite obvious that Martinez team watched the Pavlik vs Hopkins fight a couple of times :D

Martinez looked like he was wilting for a while there, but that left hand changed everything. You could see how it energized him. Pavlik then started to wilt. It was a good fight though. Momentum changes. After the 8th round I was smelling a Pavlik KO coming. Complete momentum shift at the end.

I don't think so...that Round 9 was just brutal...

Yeah it looked like he didnt want anymore of it after about the 9th round

pavlik tried to tell lowe something but lowe wouldn't let him say it. fukkin pavlik. I dunno where pavlik can go now. if he moves up to 168 lbs, he gets beat. he can only stay at 160 lbs and try and collect some checks at 160 lbs before retiring some time soon. Its sad to see pavlik was a beast!!! I guess the beast has been tamed!!!

It was a competitive fight at times, but Martinez is a a world class boxer. Martinez gained my full respect after tonight. I have nothing bad to say about the great Martinez. And Pavliks still a good fighter, he adjusted at times in the fight but when he got cut up he just couldn't deal with it. Martinez is amazing, he is the one who cut up Pav's face up.

WRONG. Pavlik was saying "I can't see." Lowe told him "Don't say that they'll stop it" A doctor will stop a fight if you tell them you can't see. He did NOT want to quit.

You think? Why do you think Loew repeated "don't say that" in between rounds?

Yeah, I thought he was about to say he couldn't go on with the cuts. Once that cut happened, Martinez looked like a totally different fighter.

I was thinking the same thing, I think the Hopkins fight put a lot of doubt into his mind.

Pavlik sucks. I've been saying it since before he fought Taylor. Can't believe Taylor lost to him twice.