The Myth of Raheem vs Morales

A lot of Pac haters don't want to admit how much of a nightmare a style like Eriks was for Pacman at the time, is why. Zahir doesn't resemble pacman in anyway, complete opposite. And what pacman is, is a fighter who fights the fight that Erik would much rather fight against. The fact that he beat Erik the way he did whilst fighting with a style that ISN'T a nightmare for El Terrible speaks volumes. I think people just need a reason to put floyd > pacman. Cheers buddy, thanks for the non-biased post, green K!

Ok cool, thanks for the informative post. I do think raheem was a style nightmare for erik but what I don't get is the correlation between Erik's loss to raheem and the Floyd fans using it to discredit Manny's wins over Morales. Especially since it was more of a loss to Raheem skills and not Erick recieving a beat down. A lot of Pac haters don't want to admit how much of a nightmare a style like Eriks was for Pacman at the time, is why. Zahir doesn't resemble pacman in anyway, complete opposite. And what pacman is, is a fighter who fights the fight that Erik would much rather fight against. The fact that he beat Erik the way he did whilst fighting with a style that ISN'T a nightmare for El Terrible speaks volumes. I think people just need a reason to put floyd > pacman.

The TS is an idiot. just face the facts - Zahir is a bad style match up for Erik. I don't even think erik had ever fought a pure boxer prior to that fight. He was all wrong for erik My bad for the disrespect. I trained with Zahir so got a bit offended that he isnt getting the praise i feel he deserves. I agree with your assessment on morales though, about pacman ruinning him prior - but even if pacman hadn't happened Morales would have lost this bout. Stylistically Zahir did a lot of things that Erik hadn't dealt with before. The angles in which zahir threw from were all wrong, the lead power punches on top of the awkward pauses between zahirs counters. he did a lot of unorthodox thing that many fighters tend to avoid nowdays. he may have won a rematch.. but regardless when in Eriks career the fight happened.. i dont think he'd ever beat Zahir on the "first" meeting at 135. It has more to do with he fights a fight (better though, ofcourse) that everyone of zahirs opponents fought before him. Whereas Zahir was an all new task. So technically, Zahir was the more experienced of the two when the bell ring - from a style point of view. Ok cool, thanks for the informative post. I do think raheem was a style nightmare for erik but what I don't get is the correlation between Erik's loss to raheem and the Floyd fans using it to discredit Manny's wins over Morales. Especially since it was more of a loss to Raheem skills and not Erick recieving a beat down.

I'm just looking at this from the bigger picture buddy, how does that make me an idiot? Sometimes it's not as simple as looking at fights on a fight by fight basis, you have to take into account what's going on in the fighters life at the time, his previous 3 fights and how motivated he was going into the fight. My bad for the disrespect. I trained with Zahir so got a bit offended that he isnt getting the praise i feel he deserves. I agree with your assessment on morales though, about pacman ruinning him prior - but even if pacman hadn't happened Morales would have lost this bout. Stylistically Zahir did a lot of things that Erik hadn't dealt with before. The angles in which zahir threw from were all wrong, the lead power punches on top of the awkward pauses between zahirs counters. he did a lot of unorthodox thing that many fighters tend to avoid nowdays. he may have won a rematch.. but regardless when in Eriks career the fight happened.. i dont think he'd ever beat Zahir on the "first" meeting at 135. It has more to do with he fights a fight (better though, ofcourse) that everyone of zahirs opponents fought before him. Whereas Zahir was an all new task. So technically, Zahir was the more experienced of the two when the bell ring - from a style point of view.

The TS is an idiot. just face the facts - Zahir is a bad style match up for Erik. I don't even think erik had ever fought a pure boxer prior to that fight. He was all wrong for erik I'm just looking at this from the bigger picture buddy, how does that make me an idiot? Sometimes it's not as simple as looking at fights on a fight by fight basis, you have to take into account what's going on in the fighters life at the time, his previous 3 fights and how motivated he was going into the fight.

And did Erik look shot in any of those fights with barrera? it took a toll, and barrera was his hated rival which fueled his performance

The TS is an idiot. just face the facts - Zahir is a bad style match up for Erik. I don't even think erik had ever fought a pure boxer prior to that fight. He was all wrong for erik

Lmao!!! Pacquiao wasnt the one who made Morales shot it was Freddy who did that by pushing the 130 weight limit even though he knew pac was going up to 135 140 147 very soon!!! ummm, erik was already on a downslide when he beat pac, he had 3 wars with barrera (which took it out of him) And did Erik look shot in any of those fights with barrera?

Lmao!!! Pacquiao wasnt the one who made Morales shot it was Freddy who did that by pushing the 130 weight limit even though he knew pac was going up to 135 140 147 very soon!!! Pac was struggling to make the lower weights too, so fairs fair.

lol TS you fail You're admitting Pacquiao beat a shot Morales /thread idiot :rofl: are you retarded?? what is there to read??? you are saying the first fight with Pac took alot out of Morales and thats why he lost to Raheem....so by the time Pac fought him again he was a shot fighter..... idiot And how is that discrediting Pac if it was Pac's punishment that he dished out on Morales that contributed to making Morales shot???? Not like Zaheem put a beat down on Morales so in the end it was Pac's power that ended Morales career over 3 fights. Look at it in the big picture, over the whole trilogy, not just the single fights.

I'm saying Pacquiao was the one who made Morales "shot" in the first place. Lmao!!! Pacquiao wasnt the one who made Morales shot it was Freddy who did that by pushing the 130 weight limit even though he knew pac was going up to 135 140 147 very soon!!!

Dude I dunno if you can read between the lines but what i'm saying is that the punishement is cumulative and it was the wars with pac that ended Morales career. The first fight took alot out of Morales, then he faught raheem and lost. When he came to fight pac again he had a little less left in the tank, they had another war and Erik got beat down even harder. Third fight... well u can see that the punishment he'd already gone thru in the two previous wars had caught up with him and he had nothing left to give. So short answer "no" i'm not discrediting Pac's win, I'm putting into perspective Erik's loss to Raheem which people seem to bring up in an attempt to discredit Pac's wins over Morales. ummm, erik was already on a downslide when he beat pac, he had 3 wars with barrera (which took it out of him)

lol TS you fail You're admitting Pacquiao beat a shot Morales /thread idiot Ummm ok, i'll take it you can't read between the lines then.... :bottle:

uhhhhhh no, zahir raheem was talented Really, so where is he now? How come the only people that know about him are on these forums?

so TS you are basically discrediting Pacquiao's win over Morales??? Dude I dunno if you can read between the lines but what i'm saying is that the punishement is cumulative and it was the wars with pac that ended Morales career. The first fight took alot out of Morales, then he faught raheem and lost. When he came to fight pac again he had a little less left in the tank, they had another war and Erik got beat down even harder. Third fight... well u can see that the punishment he'd already gone thru in the two previous wars had caught up with him and he had nothing left to give. So short answer "no" i'm not discrediting Pac's win, I'm putting into perspective Erik's loss to Raheem which people seem to bring up in an attempt to discredit Pac's wins over Morales.

uhhhhhh no, zahir raheem was talented

My take on it- I never got why people knock Erik for failing to do what no Mexican boxer has ever done....win a title in their 4th weight class. Chavez, Zarate, Barrera, Marquez and other have never done that. Some of the greats have tried, only to look like sh1t also in higher classes. When Morales moved up, he basically gave up all the physical advantages, and never in the history of the sport (atleast to my knowledge) has a smaller fighter moved up in weight, gave up speed and power, and still won. If someone can give me an example, I would be happy to hear of a case when that happened. FWIW...Morales didn't fight like a shot fighter in the second fight IMO.

I'm saying Pacquiao was the one who made Morales "shot" in the first place.