How good is Sergio? Not as good as Pavlik.

At super middle weight he beat Miranda. He got a gift from the judges at middle weight when he fought Miranda. Miranda smashed Abrahams face to a pulp literally. That fight was one of the worst non stoppages I have ever seen. I thought Abraham was about to get his entire jaw ripped clean off. Abraham was lucky to get out of the fight with his entire face. I gave Martinez the benefit of the doubt in the Cintron and Pwill fights in my post. I think Miranda deserves it in that fight. Pavlik in my mind has out performed Abraham in the Miranda fights. http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2006/09/25/thumbs/20060924221006.jpeg http://2020proof.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/arthur18_5186953.jpg http://www.boxinginfo.co.uk/images/boxers/a9edd09de79d56fe30d56f25db68a850.bmp http://bp1.blogger.com/_QfDpIgxvBU4/SFs8dJ_8OqI/AAAAAAAAABU/MwnO4yFYdx0/s320/Arthur-Abraham-Miranda11.jpg

AA knocked out Miranda in 4 rds. Sergio has mobility that most of Pavlik's other opponents don't have. Sergio also has a lot of speed that may trouble Pavlik but he is a natural counter puncher. He will entice Pavlik to swing big and counter Pavlik when he tries to attack. Pavlik's lateral movement is pretty bad. If Sergio boxes, Pavlik will have a hard time winning At super middle weight he beat Miranda. He got a gift from the judges at middle weight when he fought Miranda. Miranda smashed Abrahams face to a pulp literally. That fight was one of the worst non stoppages I have ever seen. I thought Abraham was about to get his entire jaw ripped clean off. Abraham was lucky to get out of the fight with his entire face. I gave Martinez the benefit of the doubt in the Cintron and Pwill fights in my post. I think Miranda deserves it in that fight. Pavlik in my mind has out performed Abraham in the Miranda fights.

AA knocked out Miranda in 4 rds. Sergio has mobility that most of Pavlik's other opponents don't have. Sergio also has a lot of speed that may trouble Pavlik but he is a natural counter puncher. He will entice Pavlik to swing big and counter Pavlik when he tries to attack. Pavlik's lateral movement is pretty bad. If Sergio boxes, Pavlik will have a hard time winning yes but AA did not knock out miranda in 4 rounds at middleweight he won a very tough fight and got the U.D i agree that martinez is the better boxer but pavlik is a big MW martinez will be a small MW and its not like martinez has a water tight defence pavlik will land punches on this guy i see martinez winning the early rounds and giving pavlik trouble with his speed and movement but the longer the fight goes on I see pavlik landing more and more eventually stopping him. Pavlik k.o round 8

I think Sergio Martinez is a bit overated considering most people think he beats pavlik on nsb. Looking at his last fight with Pwill Sergio did good and maybe did enough to get a draw or win. But Quintana gave Pwill more of a boxing lesson then Sergio. Maybe Sergio has a better chin but I would not say he has better out right boxing ablility then Quintana based on the Pwill fight. The fight against Cintron was another good fight for Sergio. He did enough to win the fight But Cintron had his moments also and won some rounds. The Same Cintron that Margarito demolished twice. Same Margarito that demolished Sergio. And I have seen the fight, Sergio boxed in the same style. I think Martinez is good but he has been outperformed by other boxer's against the same opponents. Kelly Pavlik beat Taylor at middle weight, no one has done that. Taylor was winning against Froch and Abraham going in to the 12th round at super middle weight. Pavlik beat Miranda at middle weight no one has done that either. Kelly Pavlik has beaten Miranda and Taylor better then anyone. Some people will say this does not amount to much because styles make fights. Some of these people are the same people that say Sergio can beat Pavlik because Hopkins a light heavy beat Pavlik. Sergio is not Hopkins lol. Hopkins is way more of a bad a**. I'm looking forward to the fight I think Pavlik is going to win. I would like to hear some good reasons why Sergio can win this fight. AA knocked out Miranda in 4 rds. Sergio has mobility that most of Pavlik's other opponents don't have. Sergio also has a lot of speed that may trouble Pavlik but he is a natural counter puncher. He will entice Pavlik to swing big and counter Pavlik when he tries to attack. Pavlik's lateral movement is pretty bad. If Sergio boxes, Pavlik will have a hard time winning

Pavlik is one dimentional. Sergio has far superior skills and will outbox Pavlik for 12 rounds. Pavlik isn't even good.

pavlik is just pure shite. its got nothing to do with him fighting sergio. pavlik is a novice. Pavlik was National welter weight champ as an amateur, Sergio had been boxing for three years at this point. taylor just looked like he was in there to survive I had Abraham by two points going to the 12th round. Abraham was winning from clean effective punching... in my opinion Maybe I should watch the fight again I keep saying Taylor was winning, no one thinks this is true.

I thought the point deduction was bs on the low blow. And I thought Abraham gave up way to many rounds. I thought Taylor was winning. I was not listening to the biased commentators. taylor just looked like he was in there to survive I had Abraham by two points going to the 12th round. Abraham was winning from clean effective punching... in my opinion

Could be I may have been seeing that fight the way I wanted to. first time i watched it was with no commentary and i was with some mates and i actually thought it was a really close fight and was relieved when AA got the knockout but when i re-watched it i realized that taylor was done-he just doesnt have it mentally anymore

pavlik is just pure shite. its got nothing to do with him fighting sergio. pavlik is a novice.

Taylor was a long way behind,he threw alot of jabs that hit a lot of glove,but that was about it all the meaningful punches came from AA,taylor didnt throw his right at all Could be I may have been seeing that fight the way I wanted to.

I think Sergio Martinez is a bit overated considering most people think he beats pavlik on nsb. Looking at his last fight with Pwill Sergio did good and maybe did enough to get a draw or win. But Quintana gave Pwill more of a boxing lesson then Sergio. Maybe Sergio has a better chin but I would not say he has better out right boxing ablility then Quintana based on the Pwill fight. The fight against Cintron was another good fight for Sergio. He did enough to win the fight But Cintron had his moments also and won some rounds. The Same Cintron that Margarito demolished twice. Same Margarito that demolished Sergio. And I have seen the fight, Sergio boxed in the same style. I think Martinez is good but he has been outperformed by other boxer's against the same opponents. Kelly Pavlik beat Taylor at middle weight, no one has done that. Taylor was winning against Froch and Abraham going in to the 12th round at super middle weight. Pavlik beat Miranda at middle weight no one has done that either. Kelly Pavlik has beaten Miranda and Taylor better then anyone. Some people will say this does not amount to much because styles make fights. Some of these people are the same people that say Sergio can beat Pavlik because Hopkins a light heavy beat Pavlik. Sergio is not Hopkins lol. Hopkins is way more of a bad a**. I'm looking forward to the fight I think Pavlik is going to win. I would like to hear some good reasons why Sergio can win this fight. I couldnt agree with you more on this one!!!

I thought the point deduction was bs on the low blow. And I thought Abraham gave up way to many rounds. I thought Taylor was winning. I was not listening to the biased commentators. Taylor was a long way behind,he threw alot of jabs that hit a lot of glove,but that was about it all the meaningful punches came from AA,taylor didnt throw his right at all

no he wasnt Abraham was winning that fight clearly going into the 12th. I thought the point deduction was bs on the low blow. And I thought Abraham gave up way to many rounds. I thought Taylor was winning. I was not listening to the biased commentators.

Kelly Pavlik beat Taylor at middle weight, no one has done that. Taylor was winning against Abraham going in to the 12th round at super middle weight. no he wasnt Abraham was winning that fight clearly going into the 12th.

I hear what you're saying and to be honest, I can definitely see Pavlik hurting Martinez, but the PWill fight was Martinez' first at 160. He'll be better prepared this time around. Watching Pavlik's last fight, Pavlik doesn't look at all invincible. Martinez just might surprise us all. I like his chances. I don't think Martinez or Williams were much over 160 during the fight. I think they were small middle weights I might be wrong though. Yeah Martinez has a chance its not 100% in my mind that Pavlik wins.

martinez is very skilled but hes definitly being over-rated in this one unlike williams,pavlik is a strong tall guy and can use his height if he needs to,whereas williams doesnt,plus he has twice the power pavlik will take him out late,martinez wins plenty of rounds but it wont be enough

I hear what you're saying and to be honest, I can definitely see Pavlik hurting Martinez, but the PWill fight was Martinez' first at 160. He'll be better prepared this time around. Watching Pavlik's last fight, Pavlik doesn't look at all invincible. Martinez just might surprise us all. I like his chances.