Naazim is using wrong tactics for this fight

I am more than sure he is going into this match with more than one tactic. In rd. 1-2 if its not working he is going to have soemthing to fall back on most def. Mosley > Mayweather You saw the outcome,you can answer yourself now

So what you're really saying is... you know more than Nazim. Are you answered now?

Mosley's targeting Floyd Mayweather's heart,most of his shots will be aimed around the chest area nearer to the heart.Watch Shane's footage,see where Naazim has the pad for Shane to hit,that's the targeted area.That worked with Margarito but it will not work with Mayweather.This is the reason Naazim says Floyd will fold after the 5th round.He wants to put pressure on that area like he did with Margarito. I've seen Mayweather training and the two gloves are covering that area well so Mayweather's already anticipating that move.What makes Shane more vulnerable is that he cant move his head well.This is why Shane has a problem with boxers.He's been working on his hand speed which is great but he will be getting destroyed in this fight.His handspeed will not be enough because he doesnt have a jab. When it's all done Shane will be Floyd's target practice,Floyd wont miss a shot and his accuracy will be a record high Didnt I say Mosley cant move his head and ddint I say Naazim is using the wrong tactics?

I am more than sure he is going into this match with more than one tactic. In rd. 1-2 if its not working he is going to have soemthing to fall back on most def. Mosley > Mayweather

Why so much hate for the TS, all he did was state his opinion like everyone else here does. He actually explained himself in detail about his view on a particular strategy being used which is a lot better than 90% of the garbage threads posted daily by the second which only argues about flomos and pactards and my boxer is greater than yours, my boxer whips yours in fantasy fighting theories that goes on here. Whether the guy is an analyst or not he's just pointing out something he viewed as a flaw. Nobody is taking anything away from Nazim, he's a trainer and not perfect. Its much harder to 'come up" with a gameplan than it is to "point out" a flaw in a gameplan so its not like TS is doing anything groundbreaking. With that being said i don't agree with the flaw that TS pointed out in Nazim's gameplan. First of all Floy'd hasn't lost yet so there is no right gameplan and you can find a flaw in any that a trainer decides to use against him. I believe in order to beat Floy'd you are going to have to "Will" yourself to win in that ring and the only person today who i see as having that "Will" is Pac, there will never be a perfect game plan, style or strategy against him as he adjusts to each individual fighter. There won't ever be a (a b a c a b b) combo/gameplan/strategy that's going to be the blueprint against him. Being that in order to catch floyd you are going to have to wear him down or simply hit any legal part of him that you can. If you go head hunting for most of the fight you won't land as much as if you hit him in the body, chest and arms. If you throw at his head he counters you, if you throw at his body he still counters you, only difference is you have a larger canvas to paint versus going for the head and when landed you have a chance to wear him down. Shane i don't think has that will needed to beat Floyd but he can make things interesting if he applies himself but will finish a close second.

Analyst: One who analyzes, or who is skilled in analysis One not need be a paid professional to qualify as an "analyst". Every poster here on some level fits that description. There is no pre-requiste to actually be "correct" though in having the title of "analyst". Jim Kramer on CNBC is an analyst, yet he was still recommending Citi and Countrywide when everyone else had sense enough to short the financial stocks. So just because one calls themselves an "analyst", that in no way qualifies their opinion as more credible than anyone elses. The thing I find most interesting is that you seem to want to take credit or somehow have your opinion deemed as "credible" because you refer to yourself as an "analyst", yet you refuse to identify yourself in order for others to examine your body of work. In my opinion, if you wish to remain anonymous and not have your work evaluated by others, then I wouldnt expect to be given the benefit of the doubt as to your qualifications as an analyst. No different than if a poster identified themselves as a "world class trainer" to qualify their opinions, however refused to identify themselves or name one world class fighter they trained. I identify myself as a promoter and an advisor, and feel that I am qualified to debate most boxing issues. And my name and reputation is available for all to see. Does that make me more credible? Maybe, maybe not. But at least the reader can openly evaluate my credentials in making that determination. Just my $.02 Edit: And Shane is WAY too slow to even think about hitting Floyd in the head with lead shots. Going to the chest, mid-section, and arms is IMO absolutely the right call. The head shots will only come at the end of combos, or Shane will be swinging at air all night long. The poster who said "hit him on the arm" was spot on as well. Look at Roy Jones vs. Eric Harding for reference. Jones pounded on Hardings' arm for 4 or 5 rounds till Harding couldnt even throw it anymore. Couldn't agree with your post more (much more articulate than I could put it after several attempts...) The grasp of common sense seems so ellusive to some....

I think its a good strategy... Unleash sharp straight punches when floyd shells up....if they are sharp and quick and accurate enough hell hurt floyd..out work him and also be too fast for floyd to counter punch. Floyds last opponants lets be real..rick hatton... face first brawler.. de la hoya...clearly way past it and threw wide looping punches...and JMM simply way over his effective weight and short.shane isn't faster than judah though--and judah is a better technician than shane--judah's punches aren't wide, and floyd countered zab easily---and floyd's never been hurt, so i don't see how shane is going to do it---he can for the aspect of any fighter can be hurt, but floyd has a great chin--he's been stunned a few times, not hurt though---shane fights too stiff--he's not that elusive---but nazim is one hell of a trainer--he has a good strategy for shane i'm sure---shane doesn't throw fast enough to offset floyd's counters---floyd can counter any fighter, no matter how fast their hands are, coz of his timing--that's why he and rogers do that padwork routine---roger throws fast jabs at floyd and floyd counters them---and floyd sr also---floyd sr's hands are still fast as shit and floyd used to counter his jabs when he trained him the pads---shane throwing at floyd's chest will give floyd more counter oppertunities, coz he'll throw over him, unless floyd is on the ropes---and watch how floyd counters shane off of the block and shouder roll--hiding his right behind his lead shoulder, blocking a punch and then nailing shane with the right hand, he's done it before----that's a weapon floyd has mastered--shane will have to have tremendous stamina for this kid---he has to impose his will but in a tempered manner---

At least the TS made a thread about strategy, whether right or wrong it's a breath of fresh air from the other garbage.

when did ANYONE EVER accuse Naazim of using the WRONG tactics?!? :ugh:....NSB has taken the pre fight shit talkin' to new level!!! :rofl: Trainers are human and they get it wrong sometimes.Though debatable I'm sure george Bush got a lot of things wrong,the Leahman Brothers CEO surely got some things wrong.Yes he was educated and getting paid a lot of money but still got things wrong..Anyone can point out someone's errors

1. Spell it with me: suffocating. 2. I didn't talk about the shortcomings of your "analysis" because I thought it had been adequately covered. However, I will now. Saying that Brother Naazim is training Mosley wrong by telling him to punch Mayweather's body is ludicrous. But not only are you saying he shouldn't body punch, you're not offering any real suggestions, just throwing it out there that you think he's wrong. And you're getting this all from a seconds-long video clip that you saw. And don't tell me you went to his training camp. If you were the sort of person that they'd let into training camp, you wouldn't post about it on the forums. AND, if you knew half as much about boxing as you claimed, you wouldn't discredit Shane's jab as much as you do. It's not a show-stopper like Cotto's, but it's definitely good. And it's LIGHTNING fast. And that's all you need to bother Floyd, at least for a few rounds. However, you seem like you don't know any of this. Now, for the rest of your argument. Your assumption that I come from a "family of illiterates" is out of nowhere. Also, I never said that an analyst would never come on a forum. It's just clear from the way you make predictions and write that you aren't one. If you had such a desire to stay anonymous, you never would have put it out there in the first place. Your "loaded" friends can come here all they want, it doesn't make you an analyst. You're a forum-goer who's trying to pad his internet resume, and I hate you. Die in a hole. FYI I'm not here for a spelling contest.I dont have that time,good for you if you have the time.I just come,read posts which are of interest,if I contribute that's it.Normally someone checks their work before submitting and that's what I do.Spelling mistakes are common but can be ironed out but I have no intention to revise the work.In everything you do,I dont know what professional training you have,there is something called MATERIALITY.How important is the spelling mistake?Does it alter the message being conveyed?Does it change the meaning of the message?If it is material then I correct,if it's not then you plough on. Ask anyone who did accounting or audits.During an audit errors will be found.Do you restate the accounts because there was a $20 amount which was transposed as $0.02?Would that make you change your perception of the accounts?Coming back to you,if that spelling mistake makes you not get the message then you are a petty person and the forum is not for you.Why cant you find something to do with your time rather than worrying about whether everyone is spelling their words correctly as if they get paid for it?

The more you write the more you show you are suphocating.When people talk they dont talk about everything they know.If I wanted to put more information I would have written on some sites that I write for and then the article would be discussed on the forum.In this case I chose to discuss a bit of tactics,if you had shown the shortcomings of what I wrote then I would have expanded.Sadly maybe you come from a family of illiterates that's why you cant believe an analyst can visit a forum.DOnt get me wrong,I cant knock your disadvantaged upbringing but surely I can knock your twisted thinking.I've friends who are bankers and they visit forums,they are loaded and came from the best Business Schools yet they like boxing.Change your circles man,get out of those areas where they think having 'funky wheels' on a 1991 car is an achievement maybe you will see life better. 1. Spell it with me: suffocating. 2. I didn't talk about the shortcomings of your "analysis" because I thought it had been adequately covered. However, I will now. Saying that Brother Naazim is training Mosley wrong by telling him to punch Mayweather's body is ludicrous. But not only are you saying he shouldn't body punch, you're not offering any real suggestions, just throwing it out there that you think he's wrong. And you're getting this all from a seconds-long video clip that you saw. And don't tell me you went to his training camp. If you were the sort of person that they'd let into training camp, you wouldn't post about it on the forums. AND, if you knew half as much about boxing as you claimed, you wouldn't discredit Shane's jab as much as you do. It's not a show-stopper like Cotto's, but it's definitely good. And it's LIGHTNING fast. And that's all you need to bother Floyd, at least for a few rounds. However, you seem like you don't know any of this. Now, for the rest of your argument. Your assumption that I come from a "family of illiterates" is out of nowhere. Also, I never said that an analyst would never come on a forum. It's just clear from the way you make predictions and write that you aren't one. If you had such a desire to stay anonymous, you never would have put it out there in the first place. Your "loaded" friends can come here all they want, it doesn't make you an analyst. You're a forum-goer who's trying to pad his internet resume, and I hate you. Die in a hole.

So what you're really saying is... you know more than Nazim. He clearly does not. What he is saying is: "I watch Floyd Mayweather trash talk and make notes on what he says" Mayweather - "Shane aint got no jab!"

This is exactly what we are looking for,true boxing fans,people who analyse styles,strengths weaknesses. shane is gonna knock the wind out of floyd and I dont believe floyd has the legs anymore to constantly evade shane for 12 rounds. I believe shane will put it ALL on the line.. I don't know if floyd is at that placce. I see what nazim is doing with the str8 chest shots and its genious.

The more you write the more you show you are suphocating.When people talk they dont talk about everything they know.If I wanted to put more information I would have written on some sites that I write for and then the article would be discussed on the forum.In this case I chose to discuss a bit of tactics,if you had shown the shortcomings of what I wrote then I would have expanded.Sadly maybe you come from a family of illiterates that's why you cant believe an analyst can visit a forum.DOnt get me wrong,I cant knock your disadvantaged upbringing but surely I can knock your twisted thinking.I've friends who are bankers and they visit forums,they are loaded and came from the best Business Schools yet they like boxing.Change your circles man,get out of those areas where they think having 'funky wheels' on a 1991 car is an achievement maybe you will see life better. The word is "suffocating," my brilliant friend, and even then your use of the word could be described as poor at best. It's funny that you've done a lot less responding to the legitimate points made (like couple of posts above me) than you have talking down to other posters. Of course, I'd expect nothing less from someone who's sig is dedicated to showing how much smarter he is than the rest of NSB... As far as actual strategy Mosley's gotta hit whatever he can. Floyd gives you his left shoulder and his head, and even with Mosley's handspeed he's damn sure not gonna connect up there with any measure of consistency. So what does he do? Hit everything else. Chest, shoulders, arms, anything. Honestly I hope Richardson is trying to instill a little bit of that so called 'street mentality' that a lot of people say Hopkins brings to the ring. Hit Floyd anywhere, anyway you can. Not necessarily condoning going against the rules, but we all know Mosley likely isn't winning this fight if it goes to the cards, if he loses a point big deal, right? It's all about frustrating Floyd, getting him out of his rhythm, and most importantly upsetting his timing to the point where Sugar can start connecting with some power punches. That's the way I see it. The odds certainly aren't in his favor, but he's got a shot.

Why I say it's wrong tactics because he wont hit that body.Everyone check how Floyd's stance is,he covers that body very well.I like Mosley but he's gonna get dominated more than Judah was dominated.His style is tailor made for Mayweather worse still he brings no jab.Unless Mosley gets dirty like Judah did to stop momentum dont be surprised if the fight doesnt go 12 rounds.It's not about one punch strength but to save the legend from further embarassment

Look at it from this angle my dude... You throw for the bigger target the chest and soloplex area. If you have ever gotten constantly punched in the chest or in or even near the soloplex then you know how much that hurts and takes out of you. So you got Floyd he shells up rolls his front shoulder you can have punches aimlesly bouncing off his shoulder. Hammer type punches looping punches allowing him to counter you easily and doing zero zip zil damage or on the flip side you can throw fast hard straight punches at his chest and soloplex that either bounce off his forearms, elbows and hands or break through his guard and hit his chest and soloplex even half power will hurt pretty bad. The end results is slowing him down forcing him to adjust and cover that area and open up others for attack. it also lessens your vulnerability to getting countered because you are not throwing wild and looping punches. Even the ones that are blocked will force his own arms and hands to hit his chest and soloplex. If you really watch tape you will see where Floyd rolls his shoulder and then lifts his right hand to shield his face from the left hook look very closely at what area is WIDE OPEN!!!!....Lefty Here are some great highlights from Marquez vs Mayweather This is exactly what we are looking for,true boxing fans,people who analyse styles,strengths weaknesses.

looks like if mosley should beat pbf, richardson will get more credit than the fighter who actually beat him ^^ he might deserve it too because with Jack Mosley in his coner now 10 years ago it wouldnt matter Mosley would lose. With Naz there Mosley is a different fighter completely. He believes what he is being told for one thing and it shows in his carrying out of the game plan. Mosley has tools that is for sure but he needed a mechanic to show him how to use them for this fight...Lefty

looks like if mosley should beat pbf, richardson will get more credit than the fighter who actually beat him ^^

Do you know analysts know more about businesses than managers? You dont need to know everything,just know signposts,what to look for.This is more like Ratios in Finance. Look at it from this angle my dude... You throw for the bigger target the chest and soloplex area. If you have ever gotten constantly punched in the chest or in or even near the soloplex then you know how much that hurts and takes out of you. So you got Floyd he shells up rolls his front shoulder you can have punches aimlesly bouncing off his shoulder. Hammer type punches looping punches allowing him to counter you easily and doing zero zip zil damage or on the flip side you can throw fast hard straight punches at his chest and soloplex that either bounce off his forearms, elbows and hands or break through his guard and hit his chest and soloplex even half power will hurt pretty bad. The end results is slowing him down forcing him to adjust and cover that area and open up others for attack. it also lessens your vulnerability to getting countered because you are not throwing wild and looping punches. Even the ones that are blocked will force his own arms and hands to hit his chest and soloplex. If you really watch tape you will see where Floyd rolls his shoulder and then lifts his right hand to shield his face from the left hook look very closely at what area is WIDE OPEN!!!!....Lefty Here are some great highlights from Marquez vs Mayweather

Analyst: One who analyzes, or who is skilled in analysis One not need be a paid professional to qualify as an "analyst". Every poster here on some level fits that description. There is no pre-requiste to actually be "correct" though in having the title of "analyst". Jim Kramer on CNBC is an analyst, yet he was still recommending Citi and Countrywide when everyone else had sense enough to short the financial stocks. So just because one calls themselves an "analyst", that in no way qualifies their opinion as more credible than anyone elses. The thing I find most interesting is that you seem to want to take credit or somehow have your opinion deemed as "credible" because you refer to yourself as an "analyst", yet you refuse to identify yourself in order for others to examine your body of work. In my opinion, if you wish to remain anonymous and not have your work evaluated by others, then I wouldnt expect to be given the benefit of the doubt as to your qualifications as an analyst. No different than if a poster identified themselves as a "world class trainer" to qualify their opinions, however refused to identify themselves or name one world class fighter they trained. I identify myself as a promoter and an advisor, and feel that I am qualified to debate most boxing issues. And my name and reputation is available for all to see. Does that make me more credible? Maybe, maybe not. But at least the reader can openly evaluate my credentials in making that determination. Just my $.02 Edit: And Shane is WAY too slow to even think about hitting Floyd in the head with lead shots. Going to the chest, mid-section, and arms is IMO absolutely the right call. The head shots will only come at the end of combos, or Shane will be swinging at air all night long. The poster who said "hit him on the arm" was spot on as well. Look at Roy Jones vs. Eric Harding for reference. Jones pounded on Hardings' arm for 4 or 5 rounds till Harding couldnt even throw it anymore.