Is Floyd above the NSAC?

Dealing with the NSAC is a process fighters in every contact sport in Las Vegas go through, not through the USADA. If they're asking for results of the tests Floyd mandated, it's because the fight is still happening on their grounds and in the case that there's any misrepresentation or what not, the NSAC are going to be liable first before anyone. The USADA aren't sanctioning this fight, they're just providing a service to Floyd. the most sensible post so far. no nsac, no fight in nevada. usada is all floyd's escapegoat againts a one dimensional fighter and a midget. :boxing:

Look dummy, you're the one saying this needs to be done for other fighters as well. Fine, I don't disagree. I'm just asking you, right now, which other fighters have upcoming bouts in Nevada that will use OST? Nobody. Thats the point. You can't complain that "its not happening to anybody else, but it should be". When other fighters have fights in Nevada, I'm more than positive they'll have to endure the same procedures for this fight. The funny thing is, you're bitching, and you don't even know why. Lol at you calling anyone dummy, look I have no clue what you think I said but you have lost it completely since I haven't said anything like what you are saying. When did I complain about it not happeaning for anyone else, change takes time and this would be a huge change I don't expect people to be lining up when the first fight that features it has not even taken place. I would expect it to come up more in the future though but I really don't expect NSAC or any other boxing commision to really take on a change like this untill someone gets seriously hurt, that is asad reality of the situation is that it takes something so awful for real change to take place and what sucks more is that could be avoided.

Thats great and all, but um, when did they fight in Nevada again? It doesn't matter where they're fighting. The issue is the testing.

Forget Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. The cost justification for Olympic drug testing gets blurry when you go from the Glenn Johnsons and Sergio Mora's of the world to the journeyman fighters who only make $50k. Consider this: The Beijing Olympics had 11K athletes being tested. This happens only ONCE every 4 years. The testing period was roughly 1 month. Now let's include EVERY fighter that fights in America EVERY year. Not every 4 years, but EVERY year. Year round testing. REPEAT. Year Round Testing. How many boxers are in America? International fighters that fight in America under State government agencies? Who's gonna pay for the journeyman who makes his living as a sparring partner? Who's gonna pay for the Freddie Lopez, Ulysis Lara's of the world? Now let's include the women boxers....yeah, they need to be tested too. Add the MMA fighters....yes, them too. How many MMA fighters do the Commissions now have to worry about? Seriously, give me a plan instead of talking in absolutes like this MUST be DONE. Cost justify it, so we can have a real discussion on changing boxing. I'm guessing US fighters, international fighters that fight within US, women fighters, MMA fighters from club level up are at least twice the amount of athletes tested in Olympics. Everybody agrees better drug testing is good, but how is it going to be implemented. This is for EVERYONE. It must be truly national for any change. Not just Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather. Before you slam the State Commissions, understand these are only a portion of items that the Commissions are thinking about when considering implementing OST drug testing. How are you gonna change the culture of the sanctioning bodies, promotors, etc....not just benefiting Floyd Mayweather, Jr.s fights. Answer me these questions? That's what I expect from a "pioneer." Vision. Without any, your just making shet up as you go along. You are simply doing an outstanding job. Well done.

Well isn't that where this is heading? TRUE change. That starts from top and organizational structure, and culture. You must take away from hands of promotors, but boxing will never do that because the promotors do not want to give up control nor the money. Cost justification of drug testing is a legitmate concern. Just like 95% of companies in America require you to take a piss test instead of testing for hair samples which is much more accurate up to 6 months. It's too expensive. I have not heard one logical argument for cost justification other than Keith Kizer saying, "It's too important not to." Well, just because my company uses urine test, and I can beat the urine tests for pot very easily, does not invalidate any of the testing done to all the employees in my work nor am I going accuse someone at work for drugs with no proof because there is a better test out there. Fact of the matter is, boxing needs to organize itself like a National League (NFL, NBA, MLB), with a boxing commissioner, and a players union where players interests are protected. John McCain has legislation for this. Set these guys up with health care, Roth IRA's, etc. If there was a League Office with standardized testing and a commissioner with teeth, then you would see Floyd being fined for his comments, and the players union would be protecting the rights of BOTH Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. People are picking this shet apart, because it's an ill conceived concept to begin with. Better drug testing! Ok fine. Show us how your going to do it, and for everyone.... not just one boxer here or there. What is the long term step by step solution in how you can implement this? What are the alternative cost justified solutions? Instead of issuing press statements patting yourself on back as some pioneer that reads more like an advertisement before any significant breakthroughs have EVER been made, show us something more. Give us a plan that's accountable and has enforcement. Otherwise, you're just making shet up as you go along. :You_Rock_

What the hell kind of point is that, it has happeaned before in Germany with Universum and going forward who knows when it will get asked for. Right now it is being done for the biggest fight of the year in the US (for now) and that is a good place to start since two huge names doing it will allow other fighters who felt like they could not ask for something like that to feel empowered. I can't know how many boxers will ask for OST in the future since I don't know the future but I would think there are guys that are clean that would want it. Look dummy, you're the one saying this needs to be done for other fighters as well. Fine, I don't disagree. I'm just asking you, right now, which other fighters have upcoming bouts in Nevada that will use OST? Nobody. Thats the point. You can't complain that "its not happening to anybody else, but it should be". When other fighters have fights in Nevada, I'm more than positive they'll have to endure the same procedures for this fight. The funny thing is, you're bitching, and you don't even know why.

Auther Abraham uses it. Alexander Povetkin wants it for Wladimir Klitschko. There will be more fighters requesting it and this is not going away. Thats great and all, but um, when did they fight in Nevada again?

if they want the result then they should hav administered the test themselves instead of letting someone else pay for it

Well isn't that where this is heading? TRUE change. That starts from top and organizational structure, and culture. You must take away from hands of promotors, but boxing will never do that because the promotors do not want to give up control nor the money. Cost justification of drug testing is a legitmate concern. Just like 95% of companies in America require you to take a piss test instead of testing for hair samples which is much more accurate up to 6 months. It's too expensive. I have not heard one logical argument for cost justification other than Keith Kizer saying, "It's too important not to." Well, just because my company uses urine test, and I can beat the urine tests for pot very easily, does not invalidate any of the testing done to all the employees in my work nor am I going accuse someone at work for drugs with no proof because there is a better test out there. Fact of the matter is, boxing needs to organize itself like a National League (NFL, NBA, MLB), with a boxing commissioner, and a players union where players interests are protected. John McCain has legislation for this. Set these guys up with health care, Roth IRA's, etc. If there was a League Office with standardized testing and a commissioner with teeth, then you would see Floyd being fined for his comments, and the players union would be protecting the rights of BOTH Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. People are picking this shet apart, because it's an ill conceived concept to begin with. Better drug testing! Ok fine. Show us how your going to do it, and for everyone.... not just one boxer here or there. What is the long term step by step solution in how you can implement this? What are the alternative cost justified solutions? Instead of issuing press statements patting yourself on back as some pioneer that reads more like an advertisement before any significant breakthroughs have EVER been made, show us something more. Give us a plan that's accountable and has enforcement. Otherwise, you're just making shet up as you go along. Forget Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. The cost justification for Olympic drug testing gets blurry when you go from the Glenn Johnsons and Sergio Mora's of the world to the journeyman fighters who only make $50k. Consider this: The Beijing Olympics had 11K athletes being tested. This happens only ONCE every 4 years. The testing period was roughly 1 month. Now let's include EVERY fighter that fights in America EVERY year. Not every 4 years, but EVERY year. Year round testing. REPEAT. Year Round Testing. How many boxers are in America? International fighters that fight in America under State government agencies? Who's gonna pay for the journeyman who makes his living as a sparring partner? Who's gonna pay for the Freddie Lopez, Ulysis Lara's of the world? Now let's include the women boxers....yeah, they need to be tested too. Add the MMA fighters....yes, them too. How many MMA fighters do the Commissions now have to worry about? Seriously, give me a plan instead of talking in absolutes like this MUST be DONE. Cost justify it, so we can have a real discussion on changing boxing. I'm guessing US fighters, international fighters that fight within US, women fighters, MMA fighters from club level up are at least twice the amount of athletes tested in Olympics. Everybody agrees better drug testing is good, but how is it going to be implemented. This is for EVERYONE. It must be truly national for any change. Not just Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather. Before you slam the State Commissions, understand these are only a portion of items that the Commissions are thinking about when considering implementing OST drug testing. How are you gonna change the culture of the sanctioning bodies, promotors, etc....not just benefiting Floyd Mayweather, Jr.s fights. Answer me these questions? That's what I expect from a "pioneer." Vision. Without any, your just making shet up as you go along.

STOP Floyd isn't changing the rules. Floyd isn't running the Commission. No Commission rules are being broken. What Floyd and Shane are doing is called "CONDITIONS" , not "RULES". Pacquiao fans are repeating the Top Rank storyline without analysis. Groupthink. Say you live in a subdivision, there is no city ordinance or law (rule) against you painting your house Laker Purple and Yellow. But your subdivision has a covenant (condition) that prevents that. In every business, municipality, etc, there are always instances where deals are done that are "more restrictive" than the law. For example, in boxing, you have catchweights. Pac and Cotto can fight for a belt at 145 because that is more (not less) restrictive than the Boxing weight rules. They couldn't fight at 148 because that woukd be less restrictive. Haven't any of you ever taken a Business law class? Another example is Zoning. Your store may be zoned for retail, but the shopping mall you are in may restrict the sale of alcoholic beverages...even though it is legal in your county. This is done all the time. Floyd is saying that the conditions for fighting him are that you have to submit to OST. Similarly, Pacquiao is saying that the conditions for fighting him are that you have to pay a $10 million weight penalty (which is more restrictive than the 10% NSAC fine). Can y'all get your hands around this? The issue is NOT that Floyd is usurping the NSAC. It is not. The only reason why the drug test is such a contentious issue is because the topic of drug testing is 1) new, 2) sexy and salacious, and 3) carries the undertone of suspicion and accusation. I have heard some people say "why didn't Floyd go to the Commission to change the rules?" Well, he didn't want to go through the hassle. Not when he can just set conditions on his fights. Just like your subdivision isn't going to fight City Hall to create house paint color laws. Not when they can simply put those restrictions in their HOA covenants. I'm trying to explain this in a fair, unemotional way because you guys are so polarized and entrenched. Another example: Say there was a FEDERAL law that set the speed limit at 70. Any state can then set their own law at 55, 65, or 70. But they couldn't set a state speed limit at 75. Get it? Pac fans, Floyd has the right to set conditions on his fight. He isn't violating ethics or rules by doing that. If he was, don't you think the NSAC (a public, governmental entity) would stop him? It hurts my eyes and offends my intelligence when you guys say that. * I used a zoning example because I have a lot of development experience. DAMN. Give him some Green K's..

A former Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board Chairman and Chief Ringside Physician, Dr. Margaret Goodman FH: Did you feel that the testing was successful? Goodman: The problem is that you know that fighters are smart, and the people that handle them are smart. Not to say that there are a lot of cheaters out there. Now, we're just talking about anabolic steroids. But those that were using, often the drugs would be out of their system so that when there was a fighter that was caught, it wasn't necessarily because the testing was so fabulous, and that it's so pervasive, and we're doing the right drug-testing, etc., but because somebody didn't stop using the drugs in time. FH: What do you mean they stopped using the drug in time? Goodman: There are other performance enhancing drugs that are not being tested for and that's the problem currently. But as far as anabolic steroids, they are used in either a 'Stacking' form, or a 'Pyramiding' form. In other words, usually if a fighter is caught, they usually have more than one drug in their system -- that's typical. I've seen that in Nevada, I've seen that in California, and I've seen that in other states. To accomplish what an athlete wants to accomplish with the use of anabolic steroids, you have to take different ones. And you take them at different times during your training. So, you might start with one drug, and then as your training goes on, maybe a month or two in advance you start adding another drug in. And, later on, you take that first drug off. So there may be three or four anabolic drugs that an individual is using -- maybe more in some cases, perhaps less in others. FH: So if a boxer were to drop off of them, will those drugs still have that desired effect when he fights? Goodman: Yes. But they may not be detected in your system. And that's because every particular drug -- whether it's over the counter, a pfescription drug, or an illegal drug -- has a certain half-life. And that refers to how long the drug is really effective in your system. Depending on the half-life or the time that the drug stays in your system, there's another time that applies to when it can be detected on a drug screen. http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/06/former-commission-doctor-says-blood-testing-feasable-for-boxing/

Well isn't that where this is heading? TRUE change. That starts from top and organizational structure, and culture. You must take away from hands of promotors, but boxing will never do that because the promotors do not want to give up control nor the money. Cost justification of drug testing is a legitmate concern. Just like 95% of companies in America require you to take a piss test instead of testing for hair samples which is much more accurate up to 6 months. It's too expensive. I have not heard one logical argument for cost justification other than Keith Kizer saying, "It's too important not to." Well, just because my company uses urine test, and I can beat the urine tests for pot very easily, does not invalidate any of the testing done to all the employees in my work nor am I going accuse someone at work for drugs with no proof. Fact of the matter is, boxing needs to organize itself like a National League (NFL, NBA, MLB), with a boxing commissioner, and a players union where players interests are protected. Set these guys up with health care, Roth IRA's, etc. If there was a League Office with standardized testing and a commissioner with teeth, then you would see Floyd being fined for his comments, and the players union would be protecting the rights of BOTH Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. People are picking this shet apart, because it's an ill conceived concept to begin with. Better drug testing! Ok fine. Show us how your going to do it, and for everyone.... not just one boxer here or there. What is the long term step by step solution in how you can implement this? What are the alternative cost justified solutions? Instead of issuing press statements patting yourself on back as some pioneer that reads more like an advertisement before any significant breakthroughs have EVER been made, show us something more. Give us a plan. Otherwise, you're just making shet up as you go along. Its not a commission thing its a contract thing.

They would sweep it under the rug, which is why it wouldn't justify the extra costs (that cut into their profit) they'd incur by implementing more thorough testing. The commission, judges, and refs all get paid by the promoter of the fight. All of these clowns have an agenda pro-Pacquiao and/or anti-Mayweather or they wouldn't be arguing the validity of the need for the stricter testing and it being better done by a third party. They're arguing bullshit as if they were a part of the NFLPA or MLBPA, the only difference is they're holding out for more money and these clowns do it for free. Well isn't that where this is heading? TRUE change. That starts from top and organizational structure, and culture. You must take away from hands of promotors, but boxing will never do that because the promotors do not want to give up control nor the money. Cost justification of drug testing is a legitmate concern. Just like 95% of companies in America require you to take a piss test instead of testing for hair samples which is much more accurate up to 6 months. It's too expensive. I have not heard one logical argument for cost justification other than Keith Kizer saying, "It's too important not to." Well, just because my company uses urine test, and I can beat the urine tests for pot very easily, does not invalidate any of the testing done to all the employees in my work nor am I going accuse someone at work for drugs with no proof because there is a better test out there. Fact of the matter is, boxing needs to organize itself like a National League (NFL, NBA, MLB), with a boxing commissioner, and a players union where players interests are protected. John McCain has legislation for this. Set these guys up with health care, Roth IRA's, etc. If there was a League Office with standardized testing and a commissioner with teeth, then you would see Floyd being fined for his comments, and the players union would be protecting the rights of BOTH Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. People are picking this shet apart, because it's an ill conceived concept to begin with. Better drug testing! Ok fine. Show us how your going to do it, and for everyone.... not just one boxer here or there. What is the long term step by step solution in how you can implement this? What are the alternative cost justified solutions? Instead of issuing press statements patting yourself on back as some pioneer that reads more like an advertisement before any significant breakthroughs have EVER been made, show us something more. Give us a plan that's accountable and has enforcement. Otherwise, you're just making shet up as you go along.

No fighter is above the NSAC. The NSAC does its own thing regardless. NSAC will do it's own testing for any fight that is approved by the state of Nevada. But the NSAC does not draw up contracts. That's decided by the fighters. Mayweather had a clause demanding extra drug test, which camp Pac refused. Didn't replace the NSAC testing in any way. The OST wasn't about replacing the NSAC, it was a contractual clause that could of been agreed to by both fighters. But it wasn't. Every true Boxing fans knows this except the blinded Pactards.

What about the coward who refuses to take them? he didnt refuse ur a BIASED SOAB..

What part is crazy? Me asking you which other fights are using OSTs? You're the one saying it needs to be done for everyone. So, again, I'm asking you, which fights are using Olympic Style Drug Testing other than Floyd Shane? Since you want information to be shared for everyone between the drug testing agency and NSAC, which other fights should they share testing results for? What the hell kind of point is that, it has happeaned before in Germany with Universum and going forward who knows when it will get asked for. Right now it is being done for the biggest fight of the year in the US (for now) and that is a good place to start since two huge names doing it will allow other fighters who felt like they could not ask for something like that to feel empowered. I can't know how many boxers will ask for OST in the future since I don't know the future but I would think there are guys that are clean that would want it.

What part is crazy? Me asking you which other fights are using OSTs? You're the one saying it needs to be done for everyone. So, again, I'm asking you, which fights are using Olympic Style Drug Testing other than Floyd Shane? Since you want information to be shared for everyone between the drug testing agency and NSAC, which other fights should they share testing results for? Auther Abraham uses it. Alexander Povetkin wants it for Wladimir Klitschko. There will be more fighters requesting it and this is not going away.

What part is crazy? Me asking you which other fights are using OSTs? You're the one saying it needs to be done for everyone. So, again, I'm asking you, which fights are using Olympic Style Drug Testing other than Floyd Shane? Since you want information to be shared for everyone between the drug testing agency and NSAC, which other fights should they share testing results for? Arthur Abraham ring a bell?

They would not want to do it for everyone else for reason mentioned in this thread, if they require it for one fight every fighter that fights in Nevada has the right to ask for the same thing. That is a huge issue for them to deal with moving forward and it would take them a lot of time to figure out what is the best path for them. Your arguement is crazy though and really don't get your point other than you want to argue. What part is crazy? Me asking you which other fights are using OSTs? You're the one saying it needs to be done for everyone. So, again, I'm asking you, which fights are using Olympic Style Drug Testing other than Floyd Shane? Since you want information to be shared for everyone between the drug testing agency and NSAC, which other fights should they share testing results for?

The Mosley/Floyd fight is in the state of Nevada, and yet the NSAC doesn't have the results of the USDA PED testing for Floyd and Mosley. IMHO, that is a black eye to the NSAC. A commission should know what's going on with the testing of boxers who are boxing in their jurisdiction. Bascially, floyd is running shit, not the NSAC. This is so played out it's pathetic.