I was just reading up on some Bert Sugar Q & A on Jones vs Hopkins and I have to say I think these old guys are stuck in the past. Here is some things he had to say...
"Right now, I have Roy at 88 and Bernard at 91...."
"He didn't meet one criterion: You must meet and beat other greats. The thing about his legacy is he has not added to it or subtracted from it in his post Ruiz career. Bernard has added to his. We'll see what happens on Saturday night. Both established themselves on their peak years and that's what I judge on."
" Assuredly, if Bernard is to move up and capture a piece of the heavyweight title, it would elevate him in his stature and my ranking"
This guy is a walking contradiction and Roy hater, how can he have Roy at just 88? and Bernard only 3 places behind him? and then say he judges them on their peak years but if Hopkins beats Haye he moves up? he then goes on to say...
"Roy Jones Jr will never be better than Sugar Ray Robinson, or many of the other fighters that I have above him like Ali, Duran, etc., etc. with the etc. running on for 6 pages, no matter when he retired, no matter what he's done."
No matter what he has done? so no matter how much a fighter achieves nobody is ever going to be greater than SRR?? I mean Roys the greatest athlete the sports ever known and has accomplished pretty much everything in the sport, whats a guy gotta do??
I think all these old timers need to stop nuthugging fighters from their generation and realize todays fighters are just as good, if you don't think Pacman, Mayweather, Jones Jr etc could potentially dominate in any era then you need to get with the times and stop living in the past.
I totally agree. RJJR, Cotto, Pacquiao, Margarito, Hopkins, Mayweather...... the list goes on of fighters the oldies just dismiss. Any of these guys in their prime could beat anyone else in history imo.
eg. do you think a prime Duran could beat a prime Cotto at 140? I dont think so.
Margarito & Cotto?
If Margarito were born 25-30 years earlier, he'd be @ 147-154 divisions with the likes of Leonard, Hearns, Benitez, & McCallum.
If Cotto were in that same period (forget 140 for Cotto under the old weigh-in rules), he'd be up against the same type of opposition. If he were in the mid to late 90s @ WW, he'd be up there against De La Hoya, Trinidad, Quartey & Whitaker.
I'd be hard-pressed to pick Margarito or Cotto against any of them (at least not until Whitaker got old).
Cotto would get his ass kicked by Duran @ 140 or 147. Come on now. Duran was simply a better fighter, I can hardly think of any stylistic advantage for Cotto. Speed advantage? Duran. Power advantage? Duran. Defense? Duran. Stamina? Duran. Chin/Durability? Duran.
You get the picture.
I totally agree. RJJR, Cotto, Pacquiao, Margarito, Hopkins, Mayweather...... the list goes on of fighters the oldies just dismiss. Any of these guys in their prime could beat anyone else in history imo.
eg. do you think a prime Duran could beat a prime Cotto at 140? I dont think so.
Not only would Duran have beaten Cotto, he'd have done it rather easily. His skills were simply on another level.
I totally agree. RJJR, Cotto, Pacquiao, Margarito, Hopkins, Mayweather...... the list goes on of fighters the oldies just dismiss. Any of these guys in their prime could beat anyone else in history imo.
eg. do you think a prime Duran could beat a prime Cotto at 140? I dont think so.
bert sugar is knowledgeable but he's extremely biased towards certain fighters he favors. w.e he's just a guy with a cigar and a hat, i dont take him seriously.
It's funny how Bert Sugar uses the criteria of meeting and beating other greats to downgrade Roy Jones yet always sucks off Jack Dempsey and rated Dempsey #9 all-time.
Bert obviously knows a lot about the sport but some of his statements and lists are rather head-scratching. Especially not ranking Michael Spinks in the top 100.
the man is the walking boxrec but his opinions are old fashioned, why is it these people think todays fighters can never be as great as the oldies?
It's funny how Bert Sugar uses the criteria of meeting and beating other greats to downgrade Roy Jones yet always sucks off Jack Dempsey and rated Dempsey #9 all-time.
Bert obviously knows a lot about the sport but some of his statements and lists are rather head-scratching. Especially not ranking Michael Spinks in the top 100.
Roy didnt face the best competition when you compare him to other greats. Skill wise Roy is up there with the best of them. But it only matters who you beat.
It`s not exactly a `defamation`` case, but a slander and libel case.
There isnt a fighter EVER in history P4P or around his class that Id pick to beat Roy.
Period.
I agree, the man has to be fave to come out on top P4P Prime 4 Prime against almost anybody!
Duran lol. Duran is an overrated Joke. You should switch him and Roy. Roy in the top 10, Duran at 88.
I wouldnt go as far to say Duran is a joke but I cant honestly beleive the guy was better than Roy p4p??
Roy didnt face the best competition when you compare him to other greats. Skill wise Roy is up there with the best of them. But it only matters who you beat.