As a Naz fan I agree that Pac most likely would win, but remember that Pac was a brawler then and lost to Morales aswell.
Now Naz at the Barerra fight was not even training properly and looked hideous in sparring.
Go on youtube and watch Little prince big fight or whatever. 1 hour Docu on Naz and how arrogant he became.
ANyway if Pac was to try and brawl with Naz, he would get clocked. Naz had real 1 punch KO power and in his prime was real fast.
People don't even realise that he had hand issues throughout his career. His speed slowed down and he just kept trying for the KO shots.
Pac would win, but Naz in his prime would give Pac a hell of a fight. Then again I also feel that Pac is ctually in his prime now more than then, even though he was a very good fighter at 126, he has more skill and two hands now
Like Pac, come forward fighters make his best attributes come into play, and that was power and speed
Id go with Pac, but at 126 id say its a very close fight...maybe even a pick 'em fight. Pac was abit more vunerable than he his today, and Hamed's one punch KO power always gives him a chance. Id go with a Pac win though.
Pince had the power, atleteicism, speed, and reflexes to beat Pac possibly be decision. Pac though had the power, speed, will, determination to KO Hamed at 126. As a FW I rank Hamed higher than Pac but if I had to bet on this fight. I would bet on Pac. Even though he was raw and just one handed fighter at the time. He was still amazing, and Hamen was not a defensive wizard he could get tag. And, I don't see how he would stay away from Pac for 12 whole rounds.
Naz was the hardest ever puncher at 126, awkward style and great speed; in his prime he did best against aggressive come-forward fighters; pacquiao was not as technically skilled at 126, he was more of an aggressive slugger; Naz would have caught him on the chin with one of his vintage corkscrew uppercuts while pacquiao was charging in; Naz by TKO early!
Agreed. It was a golden era for featherweights.
Its funny that junior spyder jones, derrick gainer, injin chi, johnny tapia, erik morales, juan manuel marquez & manny pacquiao are all missing from naseem hamed's resume.
Excellent point.
Nobody can refute these facts.
Great showman. Great boxer? Not so much.
Agreed. It was a golden era for featherweights.
Its funny that junior spyder jones, derrick gainer, injin chi, johnny tapia, erik morales, juan manuel marquez & manny pacquiao are all missing from naseem hamed's resume.
There's a reason why he's not in the hall of fame.
i fukkiing hate naseem hamed's guts.
I can see that, and I hate Hamed for that also. If your interesting in knowing why....what happened was HBO had put together a fight plan for Hamed. He was the cash cow in the lower weight classes and HBO put alot of money behind him. He was suppose to fight Morales, Tapia, Kovacs, Marquez and others but after his American debut against Barrera, he lost his love for boxing and faded into oblivion. He then got into legal troubles, and almost went to prison for a long time for it.
He disappointing a lot of people because just when all the stars started to move into 126, Hamed became unmotivated and eventually retired.
Good comparison, and I give Manny the nod as well.
Keep in mind Manny fought at 126 for much less time than Hamed. Hamed spent 80% of his career at SFW, while Manny saw'd through competition and moved up - another testament to his greatness.
I agree, which is why I say he is the greatest fighter of this generation (Pac).
Not now...It's not even close...it Manny by far.
I'm talking about Manny's resume up to 126
Here is how I see it and let me know what you think
Pacquiao
Sasakul 33-1
Chockvivat 34-2
Ledwaba 33-1
Julio 44-3
Lucero 21-0
Barrera 57-3
Marquez 44-2
3k batter 44-7
Hamed
Bungu 37-2
Soto 54-7
Ingle 21-0
McCullough 22-1
Wilfredo Vazquez 50-7
Kelly 47-1
Tom Johnson 44-2
Manuel Medina
While I boxrec'd the records, I actually watched those fights. Also by Manny beating Barrera and fighting to a draw (a win IMO) against Marquez, I give Manny the nod (as far as both careers at that time)
Vazquez, prime Kelly, Bungu, Soto and McCullough are all great wins and his resume wasn't far behind Manny's. I never said better but very close, with manny getting the nod.
Good comparison, and I give Manny the nod as well.
Keep in mind Manny fought at 126 for much less time than Hamed. Hamed spent 80% of his career at SFW, while Manny saw'd through competition and moved up - another testament to his greatness.
again, I'm opened minded but if you feel that they aren't close...do you mind explaining why. People sleep on Hamed's resume and I honestly believe that him and Manny's resume were very comparable at that time.
I respect your opinion.
But if you believe Hamed's resume is comparable to Pac's I'm kinda stumped. I'm asking myself :wtf:
Not now...It's not even close...it Manny by far.
I'm talking about Manny's resume up to 126
Here is how I see it and let me know what you think
Pacquiao
Sasakul 33-1
Chockvivat 34-2
Ledwaba 33-1
Julio 44-3
Lucero 21-0
Barrera 57-3
Marquez 44-2
3k batter 44-7
Hamed
Bungu 37-2
Soto 54-7
Ingle 21-0
McCullough 22-1
Wilfredo Vazquez 50-7
Kelly 47-1
Tom Johnson 44-2
Manuel Medina
While I boxrec'd the records, I actually watched those fights. Also by Manny beating Barrera and fighting to a draw (a win IMO) against Marquez, I give Manny the nod (as far as both careers at that time)
Vazquez, prime Kelly, Bungu, Soto and McCullough are all great wins and his resume wasn't far behind Manny's. I never said better but very close, with manny getting the nod.
There is a huge difference between being wobbled (off balanced) and being hurt. Also you are counting the Morales and JMM II fight which were after pac left 126...so those don't count. I also broke down technically why Hamed stops Pac, so I don't get why you ask whats my argument? I mean I explain exactly why Hamed catching him and how Manny's flaws at the time play right into Hamed's strengths.
In reality Hamed's resume was very comparible to Manny's. I give the edge to Manny at the time because of MAB and JMM.
Honestly..its one of those agree to disagree arguments. That is my opinion but I can respect yours if you feel that way.
I respect your opinion.
But if you believe Hamed's resume is comparable to Pac's I'm kinda stumped. I'm asking myself :wtf:
I've read everything you've wrote but what I still haven't seen is who the hell Naseem fought that was close to the guys that Pacquiao fought.
Naseem looked wobbly and off balance against Cesar Soto and Augie Sanchez. Pac, despite his minor flaws, was fighting guys like Barrera, Morales, and JMM, multiple times.
Please, tell me how you can possibly compare their downfalls when you look at the downfalls in comparison to the competition they faced.
Naz was wobbled by Soto and won a UD, Pac was wobbled by JMM, Barrera, and Morales and came out with KO's and a UD.
Where is your argument? It holds no water, man.
There is a huge difference between being wobbled (off balanced) and being hurt. Also you are counting the Morales and JMM II fight which were after pac left 126...so those don't count. I also broke down technically why Hamed stops Pac, so I don't get why you ask whats my argument? I mean I explain exactly why Hamed catching him and how Manny's flaws at the time play right into Hamed's strengths.
In reality Hamed's resume was very comparible to Manny's. I give the edge to Manny at the time because of MAB and JMM.
Honestly..its one of those agree to disagree arguments. That is my opinion but I can respect yours if you feel that way.
Dude you must have not read a thing I said (not to flame)
Both had equal speed, but Hamed had KO power in both Hameds, and could Stop opens even when off balanced. Hamed had a better chin than Manny because I have never seen Hamed seriously hurt, but I had seen Manny on queer street against Hussein....a fight that wasn't even that far removed from when Manny moved to 126.
Both are similar in the fact that they were aggressive, had balance issues, and had bad footwork. Hamed's footwork was slightly better though.
The problem for Manny is this; Back then he was always off balance after he through he straight left. This was a footwork issue (I could break down exactly why if you like) that always left him open for a left hook. Hussein dropped him and later had him on queer street with his left hook, and seeing that Hamed is a southpaw and his left hook was his money punch, Manny would be in for a long night.
In a brawl, when both guys are similar in speed, the guy with more power will always win. Not only that....Hamed could end a fight with either hand and Manny was alway opened to get countered back then (watch Marquez fight). I give Manny and Roach props though, because they have been spending 2-3 hours a day working on footwork alone, and this version of Pac eats a counter puncher alive.
I've read everything you've wrote but what I still haven't seen is who the hell Naseem fought that was close to the guys that Pacquiao fought.
Naseem looked wobbly and off balance against Cesar Soto and Augie Sanchez. Pac, despite his minor flaws, was fighting guys like Barrera, Morales, and JMM, multiple times.
Please, tell me how you can possibly compare their downfalls when you look at the downfalls in comparison to the competition they faced.
Naz was wobbled by Soto and won a UD, Pac was wobbled by JMM, Barrera, and Morales and came out with KO's and a UD.
Where is your argument? It holds no water, man.
you have lost your gawd dam mind osiris. You are pretty close to getting some hate from the hate giver.
1.Hamed was not a better puncher than manny at any point in time. There was a exhaustive thread asking a qustion who punches harder p4p hamed or pac. im just so shocked at how idiotic people are in choosing hamed.
I agree that Manny has done that. But you gotta realize that we are stopping at 126 and not comparing anything after that. Its that version of Manny at 126 vs Hamed. If we compare KO's between the two, you will see Hamed has the more impressive and devasting of the two. Hamed had reals of him being off balance, KOing people with his left and right hand, KOing people stepping back etc.
I mean again I love both fighters but the Ring and KO magazine had a panel of voters and all said that Hamed was P4P the most devasting puncher in boxing at the time. They did this with there end of year rankings and awards....and I'm bringing this up so you know I'm not talking out my @ss.
Pac has tko, ko, scored heavy knockdowns, grazing knockdowns IN EVERY SINGLE DIVISION he has ever graced in. 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147. How does hamed punch harder?
I agree. I mentioned why he was the bigger puncher in my reply above ^^^. Hamed was constantly winning the award as p4p most devasting puncher in boxing at the time.
2. Manny possessed heavy potent relentlessness, speed, power, will power/ mental toughness, & incredible confidence at 126. All of which made him a great fighter. AT 126. What he added these last few years is more seasoning, craftiness, righthook, & overall completeness as a fighter made him an ATG.
I agree 100%. He was an ATG in my book even at 126. I also consider Hamed, Barrera and Morales ATG's btw.
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how does he have a better chin than pac when he got wobbled with arm punches vs MAB MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!
seriously people, pac went 12 hard rounds vs marquez at 126, 11 rnds vs mab, & in his 1st fight at 130 went after morales all in a 2-3 year span while he was raw, green, one armed bandit, with horrible defense YET NEVER WENT DOWN!!!
Hamed went down vs a weak ass vesion of kevin kelley. how does hamed have a better chin than a former flyweight who is now fighting at welterweight?
dont let my username disarm you. im an alt. i may give hate, but i also give boxing knowledge.
Hamed was wobbled because he was off balance. His equilebrium was always there in that fight. Pac has a great chin, but I have seen him in trouble more than I have seen Hamed.
Pac was in trouble against Touracampo, Sigurat, Hussein...just off the top of my head, while I can't think of any time in Hamed's career he was every seriously hurt.
Hamed has the same issues Marquez does, except he is worst in a sense. Marquez gets dropped constantly due to poor balance, and Hamed has the worst balance in the history of boxing. That dude is constantly off the ground, not planted and off balance, which results in him getting wobbled and dropped. The thing is this; while that happens to Hamed, he is never seriously hurt or in danger. If you can name a time when Hamed was on queer street...I would love to know.