If Dirrell beats Ward hes a Top 5 P4P Pounder.

P4P doesnt work by body of work. Its a what have you done for me lately type of list my dude. The fact that Dawson is even on it shows you what type of list it is. I mean look at Donaire. Cellestino? What has he done. Giving how the Ring handles the lists Dirrell if he beats Ward will leap frog alot of people. Come on now. That would mean Floyd, Bhop, or Mosley should be off P4P lists.

If dirrell was white and german he would be shitted on all over the forum. Dirrell is black and he's getting shitted on....on this forum. People are still making a way to hype AA by saying, "he was ABOUT to KO" Dirrell. So what's your point?

top 5 no....but i would rank him some where below that...his carrer just really started, so we can say how good he is to deserve to be in that spot, but he has pontienl to be in that spot...i can't wait till him and ward get it on

As long as Ward does not win, I'll be happy. He just rubs me the wrong way. Not only does he come across as protected, but his "hold and hit" plus headbutting style just irks me.

If dirrell was white and german he would be shitted on all over the forum. Yeah, and if Dirrell had done what Abraham did you would be calling him a cheating son of a bitch that should get kicked out of the tournament.

Moreno>Dirrell P4P. Moreno has just as good or even better skills than Dirrel and also has a better resume than Dirrel..

Dirrell has been one my favorites since the fight with Froch. I knew he had it in him to do big things. I cannot stand Andre Ward. I want someone to knock him off. I hope Green somehow finds a way. I have a gut feeling this tourney will come down to Abraham vs Dirrell again. Abraham is going to be on a mission from this point on. Dirrell also will have something to prove. It will be hard to gauge where Froch and Kessler are until I see them fight each other. The winner will be a darkhorse and a possible finalist.

Dirrel cannot beat Ward. If Ward's knee is OK, he wins the tournament.

Not that high, no way. He would need to win this tourney to get to enter the p4p top ten.

What if froch beats kessler also? Then froch deserves to be on the p4p more then dirrell

Based on skills and ability, I think he's already near the top 10 p4p. Based on resume he's some way off it.

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Now that I think about it. Why is Hopkins there? Mosley will get dropped out when he loses. JMM doesnt belong there. Dirrell is Top 5. Im sorry I think you're moving to fast there buddy. Dirrell has the tools to be a top 5 p4p but he hasnt displayed the mental aspect of the sport necessary to garner a postion among the top 5 p4p fighters. Besides, He did exactly what he was supposed to do against AA. He has the perfect style to do so.AA was still very much alive in that fight.

Assuming Ward wins his next fight (which leaves him worthy of a low top 10 position anyway for me personally), yes, I think the winner between the two would definitely deserve a good P4P ranking. Not sure about top 5, but somewhere in there.

P4P doesnt work by body of work. Its a what have you done for me lately type of list my dude. The fact that Dawson is even on it shows you what type of list it is. I mean look at Donaire. Cellestino? What has he done. Giving how the Ring handles the lists Dirrell if he beats Ward will leap frog alot of people. It's what have you done for me lately, but you need a body of work to establish yourself. Do you see any young fighters who had one big win shoot up the list? That's not how it works. It's guys that have worked their way up slowly, and then big wins have them jump up the list. But you don't go your entire career doing nothing, get a big win or two and become a top 5 P4Per. It does not work that way. Like I said, he'd be fringe top 10...and that's a huge jump as right now he's probably fringe top 20.

Food for thought: Caballero, Cotto and Dawson are Top 10 P4Pounders. Dirrell will deserve it. AA and Ward back to back? Two elite prime fighters? Neither of these elite prime fighters were/are in anyone's top 5. Maybe top 10 if he wins, but top 5...forget about it. Even if you think Dirrell was robbed against Froch, he still looked like shit in that fight.

Based on the skills he showed against AA I agree, but the way the P4P rankings usually look he wont make it. I really like Ward and although Ive always considered Dirrell the more talented I felt Ward was the better fighter. After watching Dirrell Saturday I believe hes one of the very best fighters in the world as long as he can perform like that everytime out and stay away from the running around hes done in the past.

That means he's fought 3 live bodies. None of which are on the p4p list, or even close(although AA was probably close). Man you're getting wayyyy ahead of yourself. There has to be something said for body of work. P4P doesnt work by body of work. Its a what have you done for me lately type of list my dude. The fact that Dawson is even on it shows you what type of list it is. I mean look at Donaire. Cellestino? What has he done. Giving how the Ring handles the lists Dirrell if he beats Ward will leap frog alot of people.

Flat out. The size, speed, reflexes, skills, underrated power. He beat Froch IMO. Then he made a mockery of Abraham. If he beats Ward who many feel is the best 168 Pounder. Its a wrap. Dirrell is a Top5 P4Pounder. BTW Andre Ward looked terrified watching Dirrell undress Abraham. He is definitely good but a top 5 P4P with less than 20 fights?

Food for thought: Caballero, Cotto and Dawson are Top 10 P4Pounders. Dirrell will deserve it. AA and Ward back to back? Two elite prime fighters? That means he's fought 3 live bodies. None of which are on the p4p list, or even close(although AA was probably close). Man you're getting wayyyy ahead of yourself. There has to be something said for body of work. Caballero has no business on it. But Dawson and Cotto's body of work>>>>>>>Dirrell's, including Froch, Abe, and Ward.