Serious Q to those who knows: Floyd-Mosley fight

Damn. Until now there's still no news if ever there was a test and what the results are...

Maybe you should try a FOIA request for the contract or just that part of the contract without the fighters personal information and monetary information. I would think the ban would be at least nationwide based on the test being done by a national testing agency. Good advice but i don't think i have the capacity of doing that so i or we may just have to rely on the goodhearted people here who can or those who are privy of it to at least divulge only those parts, i'm sure there are some poster/s here who does or have knowledge of it. It could be a pretty standard stipulation. Totally agree. They certainly wouldn't be a victim if either tested positive. Yeah, that sucks as well but even worse is when you try to play the victim with lies, contradictions and excuses. Cheers. We are digressing now with the issue here we might as well go back on track. Anyway, does anybody of you here have read the list of prohibited drugs as per WADA? That's quite an extensive list and although most of it is pretty alien to me, i read lots which i thought were pretty harmless like some of those pain relievers. Now since boxing is a physical sports, it's only natural that you will experience pain before, during and after the actual fight. Just imagine those sparring sessions done, each one will surely inflict some pain during the rounds. Now since those nerve pain blockers are prohibited, does that mean Floyd cannot take his usual pain reliever? Since that is not illegal during the fight, is it covered as well with the USADA and if found positive does that mean the fight with Shane will not happen anymore?

I really hope they would honor everything what they signed but i object on the word you used "victim". You can't be considered a victim for breaching a contract. If you get ostracised for breaking a law or a contract, then you deserve it. Totally agree. They certainly wouldn't be a victim if either tested positive. You can only be considered a victim if you get maligned by some people with malicious rumors. Yeah, that sucks as well but even worse is when you try to play the victim with lies, contradictions and excuses. Cheers.

That's why they should at least publish what are the contents of that contract, the stipulations or whatever penalties that they can enforce and its scope. Will it be for one State only, the whole country or anywhere. This way, all doubts can be shut. Maybe you should try a FOIA request for the contract or just that part of the contract without the fighters personal information and monetary information. I would think the ban would be at least nationwide based on the test being done by a national testing agency.

They have the power to do what was agreed upon and that is all the power they need. Nobody anywhere has any power to enforce upon someone something that a person did not agree to. I am pretty sure if 2 fighters wanted this type of testing it can be put into the contract that even if the fight was held outside of the USA or against a non-U.S. citizen whatever they agree upon those rules still apply. That's why they should at least publish what are the contents of that contract, the stipulations or whatever penalties that they can enforce and its scope. Will it be for one State only, the whole country or anywhere. This way, all doubts can be shut.

did it happen last monday? any links? any news? Maybe they are holding the results for the 24/7 pre-fight shows. That makes sense to me since the testing and results will be a hot topic and get people to watch the show.

That's true. In fact, some would say that's what Pacquiao did (although only in words, certainly not with a signature). But it seems as if these two fighters care to honor their legal agreement and don't wish to be a victim of the harsh consequences they signed on for. I really hope they would honor everything what they signed but i object on the word you used "victim". You can't be considered a victim for breaching a contract. If you get ostracised for breaking a law or a contract, then you deserve it. You can only be considered a victim if you get maligned by some people with malicious rumors. Nevada state athletic commish already said they want to know the results and they are fine with the additional testing. By taking that stance its clear they will enforce any ban that a fighter receives for testing positive. The other state athletic commissions won't have a problem backing up Nevada. (Like Margarito being banned in CA and all other states enforcing the ban even though it wasn't issued there.) That's good enough for me, i hope other states would follow suit too and maybe later on, hope against hope, all other world boxing organization might adopt it too.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26135 Yes they already started testing last week did it happen last monday? any links? any news?

So there's a contract between the USADA and the fighters then and the agency really has no power except for the agreed stipulations if there is such one in the contract. Will it be binding even if the fight is done outside the USA or the fighter is not a even US citizen? Would really love to see that contract and i'm sure it's not only me who wants to see it but all boxing aficionados. They have the power to do what was agreed upon and that is all the power they need. Nobody anywhere has any power to enforce upon someone something that a person did not agree to. I am pretty sure if 2 fighters wanted this type of testing it can be put into the contract that even if the fight was held outside of the USA or against a non-U.S. citizen whatever they agree upon those rules still apply.

Nevada state athletic commish already said they want to know the results and they are fine with the additional testing. By taking that stance its clear they will enforce any ban that a fighter receives for testing positive. The other state athletic commissions won't have a problem backing up Nevada. (Like Margarito being banned in CA and all other states enforcing the ban even though it wasn't issued there.)

Agreeing is not something to be elated yet. Anybody can agree and then later on bitch out of it. That's true. In fact, some would say that's what Pacquiao did (although only in words, certainly not with a signature). But it seems as if these two fighters care to honor their legal agreement and don't wish to be a victim of the harsh consequences they signed on for.

The something good that can come out is that both fighters agreed. And thus, both fighters will be subject to their penalties and fines. No one else though. Which is fine. It's one step...or leap, I would say. Agreeing is not something to be elated yet. Anybody can agree and then later on bitch out of it.

USADA will implement the ban. If the fighter chooses to ignore the ban I am sure they will be taken to court since the fighters and the USADA have a legally binding agreement. So there's a contract between the USADA and the fighters then and the agency really has no power except for the agreed stipulations if there is such one in the contract. Will it be binding even if the fight is done outside the USA or the fighter is not a even US citizen? Would really love to see that contract and i'm sure it's not only me who wants to see it but all boxing aficionados.

I feel your frustration dude, i'm really hoping something good can come out of this OST ruckus. The something good that can come out is that both fighters agreed. And thus, both fighters will be subject to their penalties and fines. No one else though. Which is fine. It's one step...or leap, I would say.

Yes you have already said that but you missed my question completely. If this is not a self-imposed ban or penalty, who will implement it? Can the USADA implement the ban and be recognized by all boxing organization, at least in any matches within the USA? USADA will implement the ban. If the fighter chooses to ignore the ban I am sure they will be taken to court since the fighters and the USADA have a legally binding agreement.

I know by what I read that if either fighter tests positive that the fight is automatically off. The fighter who tests positive has the right to challenge that positive finding. If that positive test is upheld they will be banned for 2 yrs. Now as far as the monetary fines one will face for testing positive and having the fight canceled I guess that is something in the contracts. It is not a self-imposed penalty since they both agreed to the 2 yr ban that USADA stipulates. Yes you have already said that but you missed my question completely. If this is not a self-imposed ban or penalty, who will implement it? Can the USADA implement the ban and be recognized by all boxing organization, at least in any matches within the USA?

1 and 2 - Thanks for the info 3 and 4 - So the agency really has no power to impose any penalties as they are not a governing body. 5. - I hope they really did. 6. As a fan of floyd, aren't you worried about this? Have you checked the prohibited substance list from WADA?QUOTE] nah....Floyd is fuelled by junk food......i doubt he even takes supplements or protein powders.....he is like James Toney......people talk about seeing him at the Drive thru at burger joints in Vegas in the morning hrs...... for the part in bold.......what generally happens is that a sport (i'll use AFL here in Australia) will outsource it's PED and illicit drug testing to an organisation such as WADA......by doing so the sport (and it's participants) agree to all the procedures of WADA and their bans are legitimised. If an AFL player test postive for Steroids for example they would be given a ban of 2 years under WADA rules......because the AFL has outsourced all testing to the independent body they recognise the WADA ban and enforce it. In my view if SSM or Floyd copped a 2 year ban...who would enforce it???? The NSAC does it's own testing and does not recognise WADA. Floyd has dispensed with paying a sanctioning fee because "belts collect dust" so i don't seee the WBA stepping in. This is the problem with boxing??? Too many organisations and commissions.....who has juristiction????? Margarito cops a ban in one state...so re-applies in Texas......same thing Tyson did after biting Holyfield....he copped a ban...so what...he went and got a license in Memphis. This is why boxing is a peripheral sport. It hasn't modernised and moved with the times....in fact it has gone in reverse. Once upon a time the WBC was all that mattered.....now it's a rabble. Until boxing has a centralised body it will remain on the fringes. I feel your frustration dude, i'm really hoping something good can come out of this OST ruckus.

Can you please tell me what actions can be made if either party breach that part of the agreement? Let's say one of them is found positive, fight cancelled and boxer got a self-imposed suspension. What can the other party do if that other party violates and breaks his self-imposed suspension or not finish his self-imposed penalty? Does the other party gains monetarily if the other fighter breach his self-imposed penalties or suspension? A stipulation of the signed contract between floyd-mosley would be highly appreciated if anyone can post it here and explain it. I know by what I read that if either fighter tests positive that the fight is automatically off. The fighter who tests positive has the right to challenge that positive finding. If that positive test is upheld they will be banned for 2 yrs. Now as far as the monetary fines one will face for testing positive and having the fight canceled I guess that is something in the contracts. It is not a self-imposed penalty since they both agreed to the 2 yr ban that USADA stipulates.

1 and 2 - Thanks for the info 3 and 4 - So the agency really has no power to impose any penalties as they are not a governing body. 5. - I hope they really did. 6. As a fan of floyd, aren't you worried about this? Have you checked the prohibited substance list from WADA?QUOTE] nah....Floyd is fuelled by junk food......i doubt he even takes supplements or protein powders.....he is like James Toney......people talk about seeing him at the Drive thru at burger joints in Vegas in the morning hrs...... for the part in bold.......what generally happens is that a sport (i'll use AFL here in Australia) will outsource it's PED and illicit drug testing to an organisation such as WADA......by doing so the sport (and it's participants) agree to all the procedures of WADA and their bans are legitimised. If an AFL player test postive for Steroids for example they would be given a ban of 2 years under WADA rules......because the AFL has outsourced all testing to the independent body they recognise the WADA ban and enforce it. In my view if SSM or Floyd copped a 2 year ban...who would enforce it???? The NSAC does it's own testing and does not recognise WADA. Floyd has dispensed with paying a sanctioning fee because "belts collect dust" so i don't seee the WBA stepping in. This is the problem with boxing??? Too many organisations and commissions.....who has juristiction????? Margarito cops a ban in one state...so re-applies in Texas......same thing Tyson did after biting Holyfield....he copped a ban...so what...he went and got a license in Memphis. This is why boxing is a peripheral sport. It hasn't modernised and moved with the times....in fact it has gone in reverse. Once upon a time the WBC was all that mattered.....now it's a rabble. Until boxing has a centralised body it will remain on the fringes.

Yes USADA does have the power to suspend and penalize either fighter who tests positive because each fighter agreed to USADA standards and rules. Meaning I believe they signed something with that agency so they are bound by the rules to whatever they agreed to. So you all right that the commissions don't have anything to do with the USADA regulations but if the fighter independently agreed then yes the fighters do still have abide by those rules or that is a breach of the agreement. Can you please tell me what actions can be made if either party breach that part of the agreement? Let's say one of them is found positive, fight cancelled and boxer got a self-imposed suspension. What can the other party do if that other party violates and breaks his self-imposed suspension or not finish his self-imposed penalty? Does the other party gains monetarily if the other fighter breach his self-imposed penalties or suspension? A stipulation of the signed contract between floyd-mosley would be highly appreciated if anyone can post it here and explain it.