Everyone always talks about undefeated records but what about Chris John?

Come on man, I understand you hate Mayweather, but Mayweather's resume is 10x better than John's resume. I only saw him fight against Juarez (1st fight and rematch), I thought he had been robbed in the first fight, he deserved to win, not to have a stupid draw... But, I don't find him any exciting... I was really bored during both fights. you thought the first fight was boring? i could see people not going crazy over the second, but i thought both fights were entertaining.

Chris John>>>>Floyd mayweather by Floyd's standard. Come on man, I understand you hate Mayweather, but Mayweather's resume is 10x better than John's resume. I only saw him fight against Juarez (1st fight and rematch), I thought he had been robbed in the first fight, he deserved to win, not to have a stupid draw... But, I don't find him any exciting... I was really bored during both fights.

He didn't deserve the verdit against JMM IMO but, as noted, plenty of solid wins. John's a guy who will be more appreciated after he's gone. All the same, with plenty of solid wins, nearly all by large margins, he has to be a top ranker. A forgotten man I'd say. He beat Marquez by a large margin also, with American, Japanese, and Indonesian judges, They were all within a point or so of each other. I put it down to the huge frustration that Marquez must have had, having turned down $750 thousand to fight Manny P a third time, only to go through a barren patch and then forced to take on John for $32,500.......and then LOSE. I seem to recall that it was Beristain who did the "dirty deed".........

Chris John>>>>Floyd mayweather by Floyd's standard.

Who glorifies undefeated records besides Flomos?..

Nor is Enoki. he has beaten the best featherweight japs can offer.. plus Juarez twice togehter w/ a win over Gainer, Vorapin and ofcourse JMM.. for me is strong record.. Not the best but good by any measure. i think it depends on how deep you look into this stuff. if you know about some of these guys and what they are capable of, there are some decent wins under the better ones on his resume. the same can be said for other fighters with some "unknown" opposition.

He didn't deserve the verdit against JMM IMO but, as noted, plenty of solid wins. John's a guy who will be more appreciated after he's gone.

vorapin and gainer aren't bad wins. Nor is Enoki.

Very good fighter but he has never stood out in any way, and when lower class fighters stay in a division that long they simply do not get much attention.

vorapin and gainer aren't bad wins.

He fought JMM who he actually fought a close fight and won. And Marquez is far better fighter than everybody you named. Exactly, and he fought Juarez twice (even going to Houston to do it). I think he has gotten bolder as his career has gone on, however his possible opponents have not. The managers want to match Lopez and Gamboa eventually, which is great, but that leaves John out in the cold for a while.

Yes, I agree that he has done very well to keep hold of his world title, but he aint been fighting the top guys in the 126lbs division. Why not fight gamboa, lopez, rojas. IF he fights these three guys and wins all three, then we can praise him Aren't Gamboa and Lopez still little green and he has fought Marquez and Juarez who are damn good fighters if you as me specially Marquez.

He fought JMM who he actually fought a close fight and won. And Marquez is far better fighter than everybody you named. Oh right, so 1 fight you can name that he fought a great fighter. 1/43

Yes, I agree that he has done very well to keep hold of his world title, but he aint been fighting the top guys in the 126lbs division. Why not fight gamboa, lopez, rojas. IF he fights these three guys and wins all three, then we can praise him He fought JMM who he actually fought a close fight and won. And Marquez is far better fighter than everybody you named.

Seems like that guy hardly gets any love on this site. 43 wins 22 kos and 0 losses and has defended his belt 12 times in about 6 years. Yes, I agree that he has done very well to keep hold of his world title, but he aint been fighting the top guys in the 126lbs division. Why not fight gamboa, lopez, rojas. IF he fights these three guys and wins all three, then we can praise him