is marquez a welterweight? is he bigger than pacquiao to overpower him?
who at 147 can outbox pacquiao and counter like jmm aside from mayweather?
for most welterweights the best gameplan is to try to outmuscle and overpower pacquiao. fact.
pacquiao is too fast for most of these guys. even mosley would do best to just muscle pac rather than box him.
lmfao. these idiots coming at me like i'm hating on pacquiao. i'm a bigger pactard than most of you idiots. it's my assessment of a matchup and how to beat pacquiao at 147.
not some sorry ass emotional response that my favorite fighter is invincible.
and it makes zero sense. your wrong, so wrong its not even funny.
pac is a hard enough hitter to stop anyone from just marching straight in, including margarito. margarito wont be able to overwhelm him cuz he wont be able to find him and put enough hands on him to break him down. hes too slow, he beat cotto cuz cotto never fought going backwards before and got tired. also cotto didnt go to the body, pac wouldnt make that mistake. margarito can take it great on the chin but his body is alot softer.
nobody who tries to overpower pac will stand a chance, margarito, valero whoever.. im not saying they would win but floyd, berto, bradley, alexander, campbell etc would all give him a challenge. why? cuz pac doesnt like to go after his oponents.. when ppl stand in front of him he can let his hands go and beat them silly. lateral movement wont allow him to get of in numbers though.
when i look at pac is see a strong WW, not someone u can push around. i do see a short WW though, which will allow ppl to keep him of with the jab. thats the way to beat speed, the jab. pac will get frustrated and overcommit to his punches leaving openings for counters. his boxing IQ is still low, smart fighters can set traps for him and be one step ahead all night.
u keep saying marquez is smaller like that makes it easier for him to outbox pac. marquez wasnt as fast as pac, but he was smarter and more skilled. thats what u need to beat him. no matter which size u are. these WWs have a better chance than marquez bcuz of their height if u ask me, the ones who use it to their advantage that is (not margarito).
If he's so dangerous why'd he lose to the guy cotto beat and inturn that pacquiao dismantled.
Marg is nothing without the cemente in his gloves. He's a clown man
because styles make fights, dumb ass.
I wasn't aware we were talking about Mosley.... Get the fuck out of here trying to make Margarito out to be anything other than low life, cheating scum
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Right, just like people seem to dismiss the fact the fighters like Mosley actually GOT IN THE RING juiced up and just got a slap in the wrist. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.
I wasn't aware we were talking about Mosley.... Get the fuck out of here trying to make Margarito out to be anything other than low life, cheating scum
i think he hits as hard as cotto. neither are one punch , dynamic punchers.
their power is the accumulative , damaging type.
what about margarito tells me he can wear pacquiao down? all margarito has ever done in his career is wear people down. much bigger and stronger guys than pacquiao too.
what in pacquiao's career suggest he can be worn down? take a look at pacquiao's face the last 2 fights. his fights at 130 and below are irrelevant in judging whether he can be worn down or not at 147.
pacquiao can take a good punch at 147 but his skin cannot take the punches of these natural welterweights as he did in the lower weight classes.
But Pac wasn't worn down at all in those two fights. He was ready to keep going against Cotto and Clottey. You are really fixated on how easy his face gets marked, like Margarito will have Pacquiao cut up and bruised in the first two rounds and have it stopped because of it. Pacquiao got marked up against Morales and Marquez badly as well and he was just fine at the end of those fights. You are also fixated on how much bigger Margarito is than Pacquiao, when that size probably wouldn't matter due to how much faster Pacquiao is and how well he takes a punch at welterweight. Pac doesn't wear down, not against guys he can land at will on like Margarito, and Margarito would have to worry about all the big punches he would be taking from Pacquiao while trying to land one of his own.
he has almost 5′ 11 height and middleweight frame..much dangerous than clottey.
I would worry about Margarito safety if he were to fight Pacquiao. No defense vs Pacquiao = death
if he's so dangerous why'd he lose to the guy cotto beat and inturn that pacquiao dismantled.
Marg is nothing without the cemente in his gloves. He's a clown man
oh wow surprise surprise a pac fan with a triangle theory
then by your standards we should have rustico torrecampo and medgoen singsurat come out and kncok pacs ass out in 3 like they did before
hahahahaha
Margarito actually can be a tough tough fight for pacquiao because of his size, chin and workrate.. Margarito will throw no matter what unlike clottey and his reach would be a problem too. Manny would have to fight the way he fought Oscar which to box box and box, keep turning marg and use his superior footwork, he can't stand their and with that 2 hands up defense or he'll get overwhlemed cause Margarito won't hesitate to throw. It would be a bad ass fight. But still the thought of margarito getting a big payday is gut wrenching.
actually it's probably easier to overpower pac than outbox him.
ever tried outboxing a guy way faster than you?
now how about overpowering a guy way smaller than you?
This idiot ^^^^^ Marquez ring a bell... The dude is right, you know nothing of boxing.
I don't think Margarito would get KOed in 4 or anything like that, but I don't think he has much a chance of beating Pacquiao. And Margarito is not a very hard puncher, he just throws and lands so many that they wear you down. As far as pure strength behind his punches plenty of welters have him beat. I don't think he lands that often on Pacquiao. Pacquiao would not have much trouble landing 5 punch combos and messing Margarito up while slow ass Margarito is failing to pressure effectively and land. And who knows what Margarito's chin is like after the Mosley fight.
And how can you say Cotto's power is overrated because Margarito took his shots, when Margarito was considered to have one of the best chins in the division?
It was a combination of two things, Margarito's will and chin and the fact that Cotto cannot punch backing down, Cotto's power is more effective as he walks you back. That's why I think Cotto's power is overrated, most of his KO's came in that way, from opponents who were on retreat, Cotto was never a one punch KO either, his best punch is/was his left to the body and he stopped using it.
Bro come on now...this dude is making good points about a possible matchup, what other welter you can think of that can take shots like Margarito can? what other welter can throw as many punches as Margarito? what other welter has the stamina and endurance to withstand 12 rounds like Margarito? you are not looking at the big picture here man, Margarito is long as ****, he might not fight tall but he's punches are long enough hit you one way or another, again the big factor I see is Pac's explosiveness and movement, that can trouble anyone. Cotto punches harder than Margarito? again you are reaching my brother, he's a solid puncher but his power was extremely overrated IMO, and Margarito's chin is a solid proof of this.
I don't think Margarito would get KOed in 4 or anything like that, but I don't think he has much a chance of beating Pacquiao. And Margarito is not a very hard puncher, he just throws and lands so many that they wear you down. As far as pure strength behind his punches plenty of welters have him beat. I don't think he lands that often on Pacquiao. Pacquiao would not have much trouble landing 5 punch combos and messing Margarito up while slow ass Margarito is failing to pressure effectively and land. And who knows what Margarito's chin is like after the Mosley fight.
And how can you say Cotto's power is overrated because Margarito took his shots, when Margarito was considered to have one of the best chins in the division?
LOL @ dismissing the fact that Margarito tried to cheat with "but he didn't get to use it!'
The fact is, if you get caught TRYING to cheat, you're a fucking cheater.
Right, just like people seem to dismiss the fact the fighters like Mosley actually GOT IN THE RING juiced up and just got a slap in the wrist. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.
Margarito only has height.
He is much slower. He doesn't hit as hard as Cotto. He doesn't have much defense. Pacquiao would easily avoid most Margarito's punches, and the ones that landed wouldn't be as hard as the one's he has taken already at 147. You are basically convinced Margarito would somehow overwhelm Pacquiao, who would be swarming Margarito much quicker. What about Margarito convinces you he would wear Pacquiao down? What about Pacquiao's career suggests he would wear down? Just because Margarito's taller?
Bro come on now...this dude is making good points about a possible matchup, what other welter you can think of that can take shots like Margarito can? what other welter can throw as many punches as Margarito? what other welter has the stamina and endurance to withstand 12 rounds like Margarito? you are not looking at the big picture here man, Margarito is long as ****, he might not fight tall but he's punches are long enough hit you one way or another, again the big factor I see is Pac's explosiveness and movement, that can trouble anyone. Cotto punches harder than Margarito? again you are reaching my brother, he's a solid puncher but his power was extremely overrated IMO, and Margarito's chin is a solid proof of this.
LOL @ dismissing the fact that Margarito tried to cheat with "but he didn't get to use it!'
The fact is, if you get caught TRYING to cheat, you're a fucking cheater.
i've been watching pacquiao since the 1st time he fought in the u.s.
don't try to play that you haven't been following boxing long crap on me.
what pacquiao did in the flyweight and featherweight divisions is irrelevant to the welterweight division.
pacquiao was a solid featherweight and huge at flyweight.
those guys didn't have the size and strength advantages that these welterweights do.
at the same time these welterweights are not used to fighting someone of pacquiao's speed.
pacquiao might be faster than almost all featherweights but the fact is the speed difference between an average featherweight and pacquiao is much less than the average welterweight and pacquiao.
if you have size and length and good enough to time pacquiao , you can try to box him but most welterweights don't have the skills and speed to do that.
best to use your size and strength advantages.
Margarito only has height.
He is much slower. He doesn't hit as hard as Cotto. He doesn't have much defense. Pacquiao would easily avoid most Margarito's punches, and the ones that landed wouldn't be as hard as the one's he has taken already at 147. You are basically convinced Margarito would somehow overwhelm Pacquiao, who would be swarming Margarito much quicker. What about Margarito convinces you he would wear Pacquiao down? What about Pacquiao's career suggests he would wear down? Just because Margarito's taller?
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