If Hopkins Beat Jones Jr and then Beat David Haye, Would he a top 10 ATG?

The Jones fight won't count for anything. He may aswell fight Duran that night. If he fights and beats a heavyweight titlist it would help and add to his credentials.

if i invent a time machine and beat Prime Marciano, Ali, Tyson and V klitchko as a 140lb'er then i'll be no 1 p4p ATG. and it's as realist as ur senario.

lost twice to Taylor and Calzaghe.......what is that 3 of his last 6 fights? In his early 40s Holyfield lost to Chris Byrd, James Toney, Sultan Ibragimov. Ray Robinson lost to Denny Moyer, Joey Giardello, Joey Archer... what's your point?

lost twice to Taylor and Calzaghe.......what is that 3 of his last 6 fights?

If Hop were to do that he'd have avenged his Jones Jr loss, meaning only 3 fighters have beat him in a career spanning 22 years (one of which was his pro debut at lt-heavyweight) the other defeats were questionable (to Taylor and Joe C) and came when he was 40 and 43, respectively. An age when most fighters are either retired or losing to younger fighters constantly He'd have been middleweight champion, 20 title defences, good wins over Tito, Hopkins, Joppy etc. He beat Winky, Pavlik and Tarver handily well into his 40s He'd have been Ring mag middleweight champ, lt-heavyweight champ and WBA heavyweight champion. Top 20? Yeah, possibly. He'd be the third man ever to be a former middleweight champ who won a Heavyweight title.

No he would not.

LMAO. No....

You being serious? If he beats Jones Jr and Haye, he's easily a lock for top 25 surely........ I agree with this guy. Bhop beating Haye? Yeah top 25 for sure. I doubt Bhop will fight him though.

No way does Sugar Ray Leonard get away with a 5 year layoff had he faced Hopkins even B-Hop in his 40's. Ray would pay for that layoff.

John David Jackson: was washed up and coming off a los to a 9-6 fighter Simone Brown: was a washed up career ww Felix: good win, but Felix is 3-2 at MW, so a good win, not a great win Oscar: lost to Sturm and Hopkins i.e poor MW Tarver: solid win Wright: moved uo two divisions, career jmw Pavlik: moved up two divisions, has done nothing at lhw David Haye: wont happen Jones: you know Hopkins lost that fight, right? This according to you is a great resume? The best guys hopkins has fought are: Calzaghe, Tarver, Jones, Taylor and he is 1-4 in those fights, what does that tell you? This is the exact reason why NSB is so bad and such a joke. If it's shit, **** off Not that surprising to be that Hop is rated higher than Hagler by some. Why can't you just accept someone's opinion? If you watch some of Hagler's best wins (v Minter, v Hearns) and then watch Hop's (v Trinidad, v Pavlik) what do you think? That Hopkins is nowhere near the same league as Hagler? If so you are deluded. Both are extremely skilled, ATG fighters. Both ran their division in their respective eras. You act like Hagler's above reproach. Hagler struggled with Duran, a blown up lightweight who was on the decline

John David Jackson: was washed up and coming off a los to a 9-6 fighter Simone Brown: was a washed up career ww Felix: good win, but Felix is 3-2 at MW, so a good win, not a great win Oscar: lost to Sturm and Hopkins i.e poor MW Tarver: solid win Wright: moved uo two divisions, career jmw Pavlik: moved up two divisions, has done nothing at lhw David Haye: wont happen Jones: you know Hopkins lost that fight, right? This according to you is a great resume? The best guys hopkins has fought are: Calzaghe, Tarver, Jones, Taylor and he is 1-4 in those fights, what does that tell you? If your going to nitpick like that then you could do that about many fighters of the past who are considered top 20 of all time. You can make a argument Marvin Hagler's best wins came against fighters moving up in weight in Duran and Hearns and he lost to a former Welterweight in Ray Leonard. You can make a argument Ray Leonard's win vs Duran was to controversial to get much credit. It wasn't like he was dominating and the Hearns fight you can say well Hearns came in at 144 pounds and lost because of conditioning and coming in underweight. Had they fought at 154. The win over Hagler you could say he waited until Hagler got old and slowed down before deciding to fight him.

John David Jackson: was washed up and coming off a los to a 9-6 fighter Simone Brown: was a washed up career ww Felix: good win, but Felix is 3-2 at MW, so a good win, not a great win Oscar: lost to Sturm and Hopkins i.e poor MW Tarver: solid win Wright: moved uo two divisions, career jmw Pavlik: moved up two divisions, has done nothing at lhw David Haye: wont happen Jones: you know Hopkins lost that fight, right? This according to you is a great resume? The best guys hopkins has fought are: Calzaghe, Tarver, Jones, Taylor and he is 1-4 in those fights, what does that tell you? Felix was 3-2 at middleweight yeah, but you forget to mention that his 2nd defeat came after a lengthy lay off from boxing. When Hop beat him he was 40-0 and straight up running fools over. He looked even more powerful at 160 than 154 Oscar beat Sturm actually, anyway that was a close fight, Hop-DLH wasn't The Wright fight was actually at 170, so he didn't quite move up 2 divisions, nearer 1 division actually. And he'd drew (and in many ppl's eyes beat) against Taylor at 160 and fought hard for 12 against Hop at 170, so you're just criticising for criticism's sake, it seems.

John David Jackson: was washed up and coming off a los to a 9-6 fighter Simone Brown: was a washed up career ww Felix: good win, but Felix is 3-2 at MW, so a good win, not a great win Oscar: lost to Sturm and Hopkins i.e poor MW Tarver: solid win Wright: moved uo two divisions, career jmw Pavlik: moved up two divisions, has done nothing at lhw David Haye: wont happen Jones: you know Hopkins lost that fight, right? This according to you is a great resume? The best guys hopkins has fought are: Calzaghe, Tarver, Jones, Taylor and he is 1-4 in those fights, what does that tell you? You could make a case that he beat Calzaghe (I wouldn't) but he beat Taylor handily in that first fight and fought to a draw the second time IMO. Hopkins is an ATG but ranked against his contemparies, I'd place him under Jones, Holyfield and possibly Toney as well.

Haye is over 220 pounds now, I don't see Hopkins taking him on and I don't see Haye moving down to face him.

Beating RJJ NOW means NOTHING.

IMO Hopkins is already top 50 in the alltime great list. He recorded 20 middleweight title defences, a record. He was Ring magazine middleweight champion for what, 4 years? (I'm not sure whether Ring mag had him as its middleweight champion before the 2001 tournament?) He held all four title belts at once. He defeated, and became, The Ring magazine lt-heavyweight champion against all the odds and won it EASILY. He completely outboxed unbeaten Kelly Pavlik, the world middleweight champion, at the age of 43. His resume includes Pavlik De la Hoya Trinidad Winky Wright Antonio Tarver Glen Johnson Howard Eastman John David Jackson In my opinion he deserved to win the second Taylor fight too. And many, though not me, thought a 43 year old Hopkins beat Calzaghe, who was unbeaten; undoubtedly it was a very close fight. I consider him to be up there with Ray Robinson, Hagler, Greb and Monzon as one of the best middleweights ever.

If Jones was near or in his prime, perhaps.

Him beating Haye is not even a possibility IMO but if he did, then I'd rank him in the top 20.

that'd be a really good achievement, not sure about top 10, but he'd be high up

What exactly was limiterd about his comp? This is a list of all the top 10 fighters Pep fought. Lets remember that they were top 10 for the one and only title, not just some alphabet organization. hhascup sent me this list. He accidentally repeated a few names on it since Pep fought those guys multiple times. Now, how many top 10 fighters has Hopkins fought that were ranked by all 4 organizations at the same time? If you really think Hop could be a top 10 all time by beating Jones and Haye (which is ridiculous) than you have to admit how great Pep was. 1. Pedro Hernandez 2. Bobby Poison Ivy 3. Chalky Wright 4. Allie Stolz 5. Sammy Angott 6. Sal Bartolo 7. Jackie Wilson 8. Sal Bartolo 9. Willie Joyce 10. Manuel Ortiz 11. Lulu Costantino 12. Joey Peralta 13. Charles Cabey Lewis 14. Chalky Wright (2) 15. Charles Cabey Lewis (2) 16. Chalky Wright (3) 17. Willie Roache 18. Phil Terranova 19. Jackie Wilson (2) 20. Sal Bartolo (2) 21. Jackie Graves 22. Chalky Wright (4) 23. Jock Leslie 24. Miguel Acevedo 25. Paddy DeMarco 26. Sandy Saddler 27. Sandy Saddler (2) 28. Charley Riley 29. Ray Famechon 30. Sandy Saddler (3) 31. Sandy Saddler (4) 32. Tommy Collins 33. Lulu Perez 34. Hogan Kid Bassey 35. Sonny Leon this is my exact issue though.these guys are top 10 guys but why should i take bert sugars word on how good they are?in sports,seeing is believing.outta the 25 guys on that list,how many of them have you actually seen fight?how many would you be impressed with,and can you see these guys competing today?i cant.saddy sandler would lead boxing in d.q's if he were fighting today.i cant imagine him beating a barrera,marquez,morales.hamed or kevin kelly at featherweight.same goes for pep.the 1 fighter i think was really special was flash ellorde but he doesnt get the same respect